New Orleans Mother's Day shooting was a gang battle.

[GreenStormCloud]

Mayor Mitch Landrieu confirmed Thursday that a second suspect had been arrested in the Mother's Day second line shooting, and New Orleans Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas said that four others were arrested for harboring suspects.

The second suspect arrested Thursday was identified as Shawn Scott, 24, brother of Akein Scott, 19, who was arrested Wednesday night and charged with 20 counts of attempted second-degree murder.

Authorities said Shawn Scott also will face 20 counts of attempted second-degree murder, as well as heroin and other drug charges.

Authorities said the Scott brothers are members of the Frenchman and Derbigny gang and that the target of the attack was Leonard Epps, 35, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds to his upper torso Sunday. Police said Epps was affiliated with a gang known as the Deslonde Boys, based in the Lower 9th Ward.

More at link: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/05/mothers_day_shootings_arrest_d.html#incart_maj-story-2

Does anybody really believe that more gun control laws would disarm violent street gangs? This shooting was not done by citizens with CCWs.

[rdharma]

1. Background checks? Registration?

How did the punks get the gatts?

[gejohnston]

3. under aged and had convictions

one was on bail for a weapons charge. So, he didn't get them at Leroux's Gun and Gumbo.
Where? several places. NYPD, KCPD, ATF, LAPD, and no story is complete without [link:http://|mentioning these guys].

[rdharma]

5. No kidding? eom

And I'm sure they can trace it to the source of the gun because they have the original owner's registration and background check info.

[gejohnston]

7. if they weren't using a community gun

and given that the average crime gun is 12 years old. Ultimately, why does that actually matter? They either stole it or bought it from someone who did.

[GreenStormCloud]

4. Stolen, most likely.

Guns are very durable items. With even poor care a gun can last for a century and still be useable. So once a criminal has a gun he doesn't have to get a new one for each new crime. He can keep using the same one until he shoots it in a crime, then if he is smart he will ditch it.

The 5th Amendment protects criminals from having to register their guns. Further, since they rarely leave the gun behind them after a crime, there is no gun to trace.

I am not against background checks, but I see absolutely no value in registration.

[rdharma]

6. The 5th Amendment protects criminals from having to register their guns.

What a bunch of silly horse shit you're trying to sell there!

[gejohnston]

8. here I thought you were well informed on this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.

[rdharma]

11. Oh? I guess you should explain that to the Evanstan PD, Mr. S-House Lawyer!

Convicted Felon Caught With Handgun, Police Say

Police found a .380 semi-automatic handgun, ammunition and a small amount of cannabis at an Evanston home Thursday and arrested two Evanston men and one Florida man.

By Jennifer Fisher
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May 16, 2013

Police arrested three people after they searched a west Evanston home Thursday morning and found a .380 semi-automatic handgun, ammunition and a small amount of cannabis, according to police.

Members of the departments special operations group executed a search warrant for weapons around 6:40 a.m. in the 2900 block of Church Street, police said.

Michael J. Smith, 20, a resident of the 2100 block of Church Street and a convicted felon, was arrested and charged with two felony counts of unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and one misdemeanor count of possession of a firearm without a valid firearm owner’s ID.

http://evanston.patch.com/articles/convicted-felon-caught-with-handgun-police-say

[gejohnston]

13. He was a felon in possession

not possession of unregistered weapon.

So, is the US Attorney going to send him up for five years or drop it to get him to roll over on his connection?

[rdharma]

17. Keep spinning..... as you reread my post above.

[gejohnston]

19. charged with

but charges can be dropped.

[rdharma]

20. Of course, there can be plea bargaining........

But the DA wouldn't charge if it wasn't a "chargeable" offense.

[gejohnston]

22. never said it wasn't

you were talking about a separate offense.

[Eleanors38]

27. Whenever you bring up "spinning" I know you've lost another argument.

Keeps me from wasting anymore time!

[rdharma]

39. And every time you declare that I've lost an argument.......

.... I know I've actually won because you have nothing else!

[Eleanors38]

42. Ba-da-BOOM! tsssh

[hack89]

38. Firearms ID is not the same a registering his guns. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

15. He is not charged with failure to register a gun.

Since it is illegal for him to have a gun, the state can't require him to give evidence against himself. Requiring him to register a gun would be exactly that. So criminals are protected from having to register their guns. It is still illegal for them to have a gun so if they are caught with one then they can be charged with possession.

[rdharma]

18. How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

[Straw Man]

23. Did you read the link ...

... to Haynes v. US?

It's very clear. Felons can be charged with possession, but they can't additionally be charged with "unregistered weapon." Any felon who attempted to register a weapon would be incriminating him/herself. There's a Constitutional protection against that.

It's settled law, whether or not Evanston PD knows it.

[rdharma]

24. So?!!!

Your point?

[Straw Man]

28. The point is that you're denying ...

... and scoffing at something that is simple and obvious if you'll only bother to read it. I've never met anyone who is so proud of ignorance.

[GreenStormCloud]

40. That is why lawyers make so much money. N/T

[gejohnston]

2. You mean

the Scarborough shooting wasn't between PAL holders with registered pistols? The mayor of Toronto seemed to think so.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2012/07/17/scarborough_shooting_kids_without_jobs_the_problem_not_gangs_say_youth_workers.html

[rdharma]

9. Wow! That's truly a desperate spin!

What does a shooting in Canada have to do with the "price of tomatoes" in New Orleans?

[gejohnston]

10. Did the cops trace the guns to their

last registered owner? If so, what happened if they did?
What does their or UK gun laws have to do with the US? Works both ways.

[rdharma]

12. Huh? That post makes absoluetely NO sense. A desperate attempt at spin?

[gejohnston]

14. no, applying your logic to a different place

We are constantly hearing about how Canadian and European gun laws have such a great effect on crime, as if it has anything to do with us. You are always extolling the virtues of registration like being able to trace it to its last registered owner. So, same thing applies. Did Toronto PD ask the OPP or RCMP to trace the pistols to their last registered owner?
Simply applying your logic, so if it doesn't make sense to you.....................................

[rdharma]

16. "Did Toronto PD ask the OPP or RCMP to trace the pistols to their last registered owner?"

Probably! It would have been the RCMP who would check it.

Just as the ATF probably handled the weapons in the Second String shooting.

[gejohnston]

21. IIRC, Ontario has its own registry

that is why the OPP would as well. Of course, it would be embarrassing if....
http://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/RCMP-ATI-Firearms-Stolen-from-Police2.pdf

[rdharma]

25. No.

Huh? Man, you are not making any sense!

[gejohnston]

26. you don't think it would be embarrassing if

the gun was ripped of from the cops?

[jimmy the one]

29. avg lifespan of a handgun

gscloud: Does anybody really believe that more gun control laws would disarm violent street gangs? This shooting was not done by citizens with CCWs.

A specious question & a specious tailing; some gun control laws would impede violent street gangs from obtaining firearms, or assault rifles, or hi cap clips or ammunition.
Some gun control laws would help identify gang members either trying to purchase firearms or after the fact. Some gun control laws would help identify straw buyers for the gangs.

A firearm indeed 'can' last a hundred years or longer, again specious, but avg lifespan of a handgun is about 30 - 50 years, if you want to ensure reliability (& far less for ringoffire & lorcin cheapos). A lot depends on usage, more usage deteriorates the barrel for less lifespan. A higher pressure rifle's lifespan I've seen as low as 4 years, & is sometimes given not in years but in expended bullets (ie after 20,000 rounds the gun is 'shot', ha).
addendum: The average life expectancy of a gang member is 20 years and 5 months.

johnston: So, he didn't get them {guns} at Leroux's Gun and Gumbo. Where? several places. NYPD, KCPD, ATF, LAPD,..

That's ridiculous johnston, citing some police depts & govt agencies where guns have disappeared over the course of time due to internal theft or misplacement, as being realistic sources for gangland. Gang members gonna frequent police depts a lot, johnston? & pls don't cite some isolated case as is your wont cause it won't prove much of anything.

to RHarma, I see you've run into the difficulty of trying to carry on a cogent conversation with one poster. It's near impossible, often futile, since 'he/she' goes on & on with tapdancing & red herrings & 'personal thoughts'. Advice, stick with rebutting strict facts since arguing subjectivity will go on & on until you get sick of it.

[gejohnston]

30. actually

That is a source since most of them are bought on the street and "family and friends". I have not seen any serious study showing straw purchase s as a major source.

I think you have dharma confused with someone else. I know you have me confused with with someone else or just projecting

[GreenStormCloud]

41. Any mechanical device wears out faster with greater use.

Yes, a pistol can be shot-out in less than a month with lots of shooting. Some guns are deliberately put to such destructive testing to see what breaks first, and when.

However, most people don't shoot that much and gang-bangers rarely shoot at all. Their guns are used to intimidate and only occasionally to actually shoot at someone.

Even a Jiminez Arms (The new brand name for Ring-of-Fire guns) will function for many years if they are rarely fired.

[ileus]

31. Another firearm victimized by gangs.

[Robb]

32. Who the hell knows? Louisiana has the some of the laxest gun laws in the country.

Perhaps it's coincidence that it also has the worst gun murder rate in the nation, and the highest rate of children killed by guns.

Or that more than 1,000 more Americans were killed by guns in the state between 2001 and 2010 than were killed in the entire Iraq War.



Maybe it's just a big damn coincidence.

[gejohnston]

33. It also has more wealth inequality

this is an example of
post hoc ergo propter hoc
card stacking
What are the gun laws of those other states? How are they different than Louisiana's?
BTW, Wyoming and Vermont have the laxest gun laws, and a murder rate way below the national average.

Since the shooters involved were barred from buying a gun by federal law, and all legal gun dealers are federal licensees, what difference does state law make?

[Robb]

34. If wealth inequality were any measure, Connecticut would be worse.

http://m.nbcnews.com/business/states-widest-gap-between-rich-poor-815945

[gejohnston]

35. if gun laws had anythig to do with it,

Vermont would be worse, USVI would be better.
Louisiana also has more people living in poverty according to your link, post Katrina turf wars among drug gangs

New Orleans, La.

Following Hurricane Katrina, new drug dealers came into the city and started battling those who remained. The result has been bloody turf wars and the highest murder rate in the country. At 95 murders per 100,000 people, New Orleans led the nation in killings by a wide margin in 2007.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/20/narcotics-heroin-cocaine-biz-beltway-cz_nv_0121drugcities_slide_6.html

[Robb]

36. So why did you suggest it was wealth inequality?

[gejohnston]

37. World wide, looking at the bigger picture

it seems to have the strongest correlation.
That said, if there was no WoD, there would be no gang. Just like the 18th Amendment, the Mafia would not have made that much money to buy machine guns let alone shoot up Chicago, Detroit, and NYC with them.