U.S. Attorney General Says Kansas Gun Law Is Unconstitutional. (preventing federal enforcement)

[CreekDog]

U.S. Attorney General Says Kansas Gun Law Is Unconstitutional.

Source: nyt/reuters

A recently enacted law in Kansas intended to block enforcement of federal gun regulations is unconstitutional, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder wrote in a letter released on Thursday.

The law, which seeks to keep guns or ammunition from being subject to any federal regulation - as long they are kept in Kansas - directly conflicts with federal law, Holder wrote in the April 26 letter to Kansas Governor Sam Brownback.

"Federal officers who are responsible for enforcing federal laws and regulations in order to maintain public safety cannot be forced to choose between the risk of a criminal prosecution by a state and the continued performance of their federal duties," Holder wrote.

The law also bans federal or other agents from enforcing federal regulations in the making or sale of Kansas-made firearms.

Holder said a state "may not criminalize the exercise of federal responsibilities" and that all federal laws remain in effect.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/05/02/us/02reuters-usa-kansas-guns.html?hp

[krispos42]

1. It's Kansas...

...what was expected by their lawmakers, really?


I suppose they can fall on the old flag-desecration canard now.

[lastlib]

2. or abortion.....or school prayer...or ObamaCare......

they got a LONG list of fallbacks.

[krispos42]

3. I think South Carolina just outlawed ObamaCare

And boy, do they need it.

[NYC_SKP]

4. Kansas is nothing like Hawaii!

Aloha, I know you wanted to talk about guns but the Hawaii forum is not the place for it.

Why do you suppose Kansas of all places is pushing back against the feds- or is it the other way around?

[CreekDog]

6. Aloha doesn't go with guns

you don't get that do you?

[CreekDog]

7. are you lecturing me on what i should write? well what about your profile:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=221412

NYC_SKP


this is how it looks right now.

NYC_SKP
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Totally surprise at what a dick Robb turned out to be. Every other moderator except one psycho is the very best. Fuck you, Robb.
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[NYC_SKP]

8. !

[CreekDog]

9. what are you celebrating for?

are you proud that you told Robb to f--- off?

are you proud that you circumvented the rules to continue posting in a safe haven group after you were blocked by editing your posts?

and why?

because when it comes to guns, you literally lose it.

[CreekDog]

10. you think it's gone?

i didn't save it but someone did.

you intended it to be seen, it was seen.

[NYC_SKP]

11. Did your mom die in the last few days?

Mine did, maybe you could find another hobby, dude.

[CreekDog]

12. I'm sorry to hear about your mom, it sounds like a good reason to apologize to Robb

for doing that, don't you think?

[CokeMachine]

16. Jesus Christ --

get a new hobby. Meta is gone and you are not the arbiter for the purity police any longer. Off to the echo chamber with you -- shoo, go away. If you posted the shit you post here in the echo chamber you'd have been blocked on day one.

Krispos, please do something. This one only posts in this group to troll and disrupt.

Have a good day!!

[CreekDog]

18. I wasn't the one with the F--- Off to a host in my profile

nor was I the one who edited multiple times in violation of the TOS to participate in a safe haven group I'd been blocked from.

maybe you should complain about the person who has actually broken the rules.

in closing, THIS group is NOT a safe haven group.

[NYC_SKP]

46. Are host special or something? And you know, it's ok to say FUCK on the Internet.

This ain't FreeRepublic!

Safe haven group, good grief.

People who bully and stalk and bait trying to get others in trouble need a safe haven? What an upside-down world!

So, seriously, I get to the city at least once a month and we ought to get together if you want.

I've met up with several DUers over the years!

Lemme know.

[CreekDog]

47. Oh, why don't you ask Skinner if it's ok to call a host, Robb, a "d---", a "psycho" & to "F--- off"?

that's what you did. except you didn't edit the expletives like i did. you spelled them out.

that's what you tried to justify in the hosts group thread.

that's what you finally changed in your profile when I called you on it.

are you saying it's okay to call someone those names?

probably. you're bulletproof, why shouldn't you think your stuff doesn't stink? you never have thought that before, even when it did.

[NYC_SKP]

48. You are replete with conclusions based on assumptions, all of them wrong.

And when I say anything positive or nice or communicative you pay no attention.

Why is that?

It makes me feel like our friendship isn't working anymore.

[CreekDog]

49. "friend"? you called Robb a friend while your profile was calling him a "d---" a "psycho" and...

to "F--- Off".

pretty sure i don't want to be called a friend based on that.

especially since days later, you are still either running away from it, or justifying it.

[NYC_SKP]

50. I've never thought of Robb as a friend, though we did moderate at the same time.

We worked together is all, and I was happy when he became a dad.

But he got all worked up about my post protesting the decision by admins to let guns into GD and brought it up over and over.

Any rational person would agree that blocking me from the group was a huge over-reaction but there are no guidelines so now the group just looks silly for blocking people for the most petty excuses.

I meant what I wrote, too, that I'm glad you have your group, but I think it's funny because I was never much of a poster on the topic until the gungeon was let into GD.

But a handful think I'm an NRA shill or some crap.

[CreekDog]

51. no he didn't get worked up, he handled your blocking fairly, like he did with all the others

you wanted special treatment to avoid the block and that's not how it works.

you don't have to rack up a dossier in that group to get blocked, if you are against gun control and post in that group in a way that reflects that, my observation is that you can be blocked on the first post.

[NYC_SKP]

52. I'm not against gun control, that's the bullshit part, CreekDog.

That was personal, based on blind emotion and not reason.

I've posted extensively about supporting expansion of our state's laws (CA) nationwide, for closing loopholes, for extended background checks and preventing violent offenders from ever being near a gun.

I don't support banning guns or repealing the second amendment, and I never disrupted in that group, so the block was bullshit.

[premium]

54. Handled blocking fairly?

Now that's some funny stuff right there.

[CreekDog]

55. If SKP hadn't been blocked, that would have been unfair to those who were blocked

the rules of that group are well known and well understood.

if there's someone in there posting in support of gun control and you go in there as an opponent, my observation is that you will be blocked fairly quickly.

that group is a safe haven for gun control. this group is not a safe haven in opposition to it.

being that you've been here just two months, it's not surprising that you don't know the rules (to the extent that you would think it's ok to put "Fuck off" in one's profile).

also, being here two months, how would you know the practices of that group and the blocking of that group?

[NYC_SKP]

56. Maybe others were unjustly blocked, too. Here's what all this drama has resulted in, CreekDog:

Let's talk with Skinner about that, shall we?

[CreekDog]

57. the gun control group is two months old and you're showing me a graph covering two years?

hmmm.

[NYC_SKP]

58. No. No no no no no. I'm talking about DU3 and the concept of hosts and hosting independend of admin

Jesus, the host of the ed group unilaterally blocked a bunch of teachers for not agreeing with her because, she said, other people complained.

Weak!

With the ed group, I complained, the blocked members were unblocked.

This ridiculous secret club model of DU exclusive secret groups that make their own juvenile rules and hosts that block reasonable arguments or people they just don't like is going to be (or has already been) the end of this board.

I'm really disappointed in Robb, and others if complicit, because it doesn't have to be this way.

Robb should have called billh58 on his baiting shit and not rewarded him by blocking me.

That loser move is out there for everyone to see.

[CreekDog]

59. you're claiming to be a classroom teacher now?

hmmm?

and...after looking, there are only two members blocked from the education group.

i never heard of a bunch being "two". you? how many is a bunch, or did those blocked turn out to be PPR'd trolls?

as for your opinion of Robb, you already wrote what you thought of him in your profile before.

[NYC_SKP]

60. Some people wear multiple hats, my friend.

First, the aforementioned blocked members are blocked no more, this much was evident from my reply above. I intervened and changes were made.

Second, the assumption that one is exclusively a teacher, or a law enforcement agent, or some other singular thing is rather dated and narrow-minded and leaves out an awful lot of actual RL roles and careers.

What was Leonardo Da Vinci? I thought he said he was a painter. Wait, you say he designed war machines and dabbled in architecture and anatomy?

What a poser!

[CreekDog]

62. Au contraire! The name Walter Mitty includes all of them!

Not limiting at all!

[CokeMachine]

63. Good god -- you really miss META don't you.

Give it a rest and enjoy your life. When will Hetch Hetchy be drained -- the Yosemite that never was. We have the majority now so it can be done?? Maybe you'lll have to find your own water supply without ruining the Mountains/canyons?? Just curious??

[NYC_SKP]

61. Oh, just for the record, Robb is not a psycho. I never called Robb a psycho.

There were a lot of mods at the time.

One mod even lost their mod hat for things they posted about other moderators during their term.

In the end, we were probably all psycho!

[premium]

19. I don't think he should be blocked from this group

it would only lower us to their standards, which are already low enough. Let's not be like them where dissent is not allowed.

[CokeMachine]

20. You are correct but that one adds nothing and is

just here to troll. I should probably go back to just ignoring what it posts.

Take Care

[premium]

21. Him and a couple others,

but it is comedy gold to watch them twist themselves into knots.

You take care also.

[CreekDog]

22. I add nothing to the group? Then why are you replying to an informational OP I posted here?

if I add nothing to the group?

an OP that NYC_SKP decided to kick from the archives in order to scold me.

[premium]

24. So why are most people on this group blocked from the echo chamber

you and your colleagues have created? After all, we do have things to add? Anyone with a difference of opinion is promptly blocked, but here, Krispo42 has been very, very tolerant, and rightly so.
He seems much more benevolent than the Hosts at the other group.

The reason I got blocked was because I went after Hoyt after he told a lie about me despite my correcting him numerous times, but a certain Host didn't like that so, I was blocked, when I sent a respectful PM asking why, all I got back was a rude, snarky reply.

[CokeMachine]

30. Answers to you questions.

"I add nothing to the group?"Answer = NO

"Then why are you replying to an informational OP I posted here?"
Answer = I was replying to you attacking NYC_SKP and the snarky post YOU wrote even after he told you of his mother's passing. IMHO that post was pure bullshit and below even you.

"if I add nothing to the group?"
Answer =

"an OP that NYC_SKP decided to kick from the archives in order to scold me."

Answer = May 3rd is not an archive. Wasn't it you that brought up posts from six months ago as evidence in one of your troll hunts

That's all -- have a nice day!!

[Skip Intro]

64. What you said!!!

[CokeMachine]

65. Thanks!!

Have a great weekend!! That one gets under my skin. He/she thinks they own DU or something.

[Skip Intro]

66. Yes, he does.

You either agree with great enthusiasm with his exact views or he attacks you on a personal level, leading you down as much of an endless road of bs as you will allow in the process.

He's really shown his a&& on this thread.

Weekend's almost over, but you have a good one too.

Nice meeting you, hope to bump into you again soon!

[CokeMachine]

15. I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

My thoughts are with you and your family.

[NYC_SKP]

36. Thank you, CokeMachine.

You've got a big heart.

[premium]

17. My deepest sympathies to you and your family

for the loss of your Mom, and don't pay attention to CreekDog, you've got noting to apologize for.

[CreekDog]

23. telling someone to F--- Off isn't something to apologize for?

breaking the TOS by editing posts multiple times in order to circumvent the software which is blocking you from a safe haven group is nothing to apologize for?

by DU standards, they've broken a bunch of rules.

[premium]

25. Gee, DU gun owners get called all kinds of names here

and those comments are allowed to stand, things like gun humpers, gun fetishists, gun lovers, blood on our hands, etc.,so why should I give two cents worth on whether your feelings are hurt?

In my little over 2 months here, I've seen some vile things said about gun owners and I've haven't seen you calling for an apology, why is that?

[CreekDog]

26. so you're saying telling someone by name to "F--- Off" in is okay

while calling them the "only psycho" among the moderators...

i don't even think NYC SKP thinks what they did was okay, though they won't dare apologize for it.

however, they took it down once they were caught, so they know it was wrong.

you are defending behavior even they won't defend.

[premium]

27. I give up.

If you can't see the irony, then there's no use continuing this conversation any further.
I'll tell you what, when you call for an apology from those that constantly demean DU gun owners, then I'll call on NYC-SKP to apologize, fair enough?

[CreekDog]

28. you say you've been here two months

if you have been here two months, you don't know me or anyone else here nor the history of this place enough to lecture.

[premium]

29. In my little over 2 months

not once have I seen you calling for those that demean DU gun owners to apologize, now, if I'm wrong then I apologize.

[CokeMachine]

31. Now you are using the

short timer meme to back up your stuff. BTW -- the only one lecturing is you. How long must someone be a member before they can become the guest\resident lecturer? You are one cool dude.

[CreekDog]

32. No, I'm not saying that, read my post again, my comment on two months was relevant for one reason

the poster was making characterizations and observations of people and things at DU that take a long time to observe.

yes, it's wrong to call someone a troll for simply being new here, however, not only didn't i use that term, my only reference to the length of membership --which the poster themselves mentioned FIRST, was to point out that their credibility in those statements given their short history was limited by their time here.

it doesn't make them bad or anything like that, it just means that they haven't been here long enough to be credible on the point they were making.

[CokeMachine]

33. You do know that people will lurk here

long before they actually sign up? I lurked about for a couple of years before I signed up. It doesn't take all that long to realize who(m) the players are and where they stand on various issues. There is a very vocal minority here that are all about control (words, guns, posters, etc.). Maybe it's because they can't control their own lives so their only release is in trying to control others'.

Take Care,

[premium]

34. That's what I did,

I lurked here for about a year before I signed up.

[CreekDog]

35. you said you've been here two months

and you used that length of time to justify the argument you were making.

[NYC_SKP]

37. Thank you, premium.

You're a kind soul and a good DUer.

[NYC_SKP]

38. Apparently, it was changed.

Thank you for pointing it out.

Aloha. And, Mahalo.



ETA, I'm going to include below what you posted above, for transparency, in case you delete:

NYC_SKP
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Totally surprise at what a dick Robb turned out to be. Every other moderator except one psycho is the very best. Fuck you, Robb.
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[CreekDog]

39. are you pretending you didn't put the F--- off to Robb in your profile? wow.

and now you say "apparently it was changed"???

like it's some sort of mystery to you that it ever said that? even though you defended doing that in the hosts' forum?

also, the poster you were arguing with, you told them they didn't live in Hawaii, saying they lived in another state. since that poster has never even mentioned this other state on DU, are you accessing information about them elsewhere and posting that as their location here?

and again, for the millionth time: "Aloha" does not belong on a message where you are telling someone else to "F--- off".

you don't get it.

[NYC_SKP]

40. Are you saying it wasn't changed?

I'm certain it was changed!

I swear, even if we fight a lot I think we would make good friends in real life, and we live pretty close to each other.

Aloha!

[CreekDog]

41. you changed your profile expletives against Robb after I pointed them out

you then went to the host group to defend what you posted against Robb but not ever apologizing for it, nor expressing regret.

please stop referring to where I or another poster lives. the fact that you told another poster that they lived somewhere else even though they posted nothing about such a place is frankly creepy.

[NYC_SKP]

42. Creepy?

Creepy is dropping in on posts, like what was done to my post about Molokai, to make some snarky comment that then gets deleted, then running to another forum to talk about it. That is, apparently, how some members roll and it has been officially endorsed and condoned by a host or hosts.

Stalking, baiting, blocking. Now that's creepy!

Anyway, it's no secret where you live, you've never made it a secret, and I come there a lot on business, sometimes for fun, hell, I even worked there for a spell but that was before the earthquake when you could get off on the Broadway exit.

I was out of town for the 89 quake but felt many of the lesser ones before that.

Did you live in the city during the big one?

[CreekDog]

43. you posted the link to that Hawaii group in the Gun Control group, I followed what you posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12623137#post1

you also lectured that poster (in the gun control group) telling him where he lived and where he didn't live. as if you had inside information.

that's weird.

[NYC_SKP]

45. And that member had the post hidden.

That hidden post was the start of all this juvenile bullshit.

He never did answer my question about Molokai.

Speaking of weird, somebody recently questioned my career history, education versus law enforcement or whatever.

Creepy, right?

Anyway, I assume you missed the 89 quake.

I remember driving into the Bay Area the day after and how empty the freeways were, I didn't go into SF- I wouldn't have even tried, but it was spooky.

So the waterfront has really improved since they tore down the elevated freeway, hasn't it?

And I'm so glad that the Ferry Building is done. I worked on that in yet a different career back before the quake.

Do you like the embarcadero or do you think it's too touristy? And have you been to the new California Academy of Sciences?

I've was there on opening day and have been there many times since, it's a remarkable place!

[gejohnston]

5. Kansas wasn't the first

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Firearms_Freedom_Act
Basically, it's a commerce clause issue. Of course, it is also a 2,9, and 10 Amendment issue as well.
Montana started the ball rolling when Brian Schweitzer signed it.
Unfortunately, he wasn't able to get the single payer health care system he wanted.

[ileus]

13. Of course he wants his control over his people...

or are they his subjects?

[gcomeau]

53. Nullification has ALWAYS been ruled unconstitutional.

States cannot overturn federal laws. If you want to throw such a tantrum over that plain reality that you start implying Holder is some kind of aristocratic monarch or something just for articulating a plain legal fact, do us all a favor and just save it.

[premium]

14. States cannot physically interere with Federal agents enforcing Federal laws,

but they can refuse to help the feds enforce those laws by not providing any state resources, ie: personnel, facilities, intelligence, etc..

[NYC_SKP]

44. I know people in Kansas, and I don't think that they're being fairly represented.

This doesn't sound like the Kansans I know!