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Related: About this forum5 "people" arrested in home invasion, murder
Five people were arrested early Tuesday after the shooting death of a man at his girlfriend's house, Tulsa police reported.
The victim, identified by police Tuesday as William Zachary, 66, was shot during an attempted home invasion robbery in the 13300 block of East 36th Street about 8:15 p.m. Monday.
More at: http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/news/crimewatch/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20120117_450_0_Threet205594
Was cooperating with the "people" that violently invaded the home. Was shot anyway. All 5 need to be charged with murder.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
one-eyed fat man
(3,201 posts)When will the defenders of the downtrodden and disadvantaged be here to tell us how economic circumstances led them to to shoot a man in the face after he gave them his wallet?
"They are just after "stuff."
"Give them what they won't and they won't hurt you."
"It's uncivilized to use deadly force to defend property."
I am sure if he hadn't somehow escalated the situation those misbegotten scum would not have murdered him in cold blood.
I do not give a shit what their families or communities think, "people" who commit those kinds of crimes are vermin.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)Unfortunately sometimes "three strikes" laws contribute to this sort of thing--if someone knows they're going away for the rest of their lives if they get caught, they've got lots of reason to dispose of the witnesses, even for a "simple" mugging, much less a home invasion.
Patrick_Bateman
(47 posts)Yes, the little bastards need to be put away for a very long time.
safeinOhio
(32,736 posts)can make your door virtually impossible to be kicked in. That would be a really good idea to do if a gun safe is visible from the outside.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...for toddlers or those in wheelchairs or on crutches. Maybe. How much for windows? French doors? Sliding glass doors?
safeinOhio
(32,736 posts)Many products, just google what you need to secure
entry doors
sliding doors
&feature=related
&feature=related
windows-lots of self installed films. Here is just one
any of these product would have given the guy enough time to open his damn gun safe and been ready.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...none of those products would be effective other than maybe a very few seconds gained. Poor quality, mass produced door and window units installed by poorly skilled laborers means it takes a lot more than bolt-on parts and quick fixes. I've kicked doors hard enough to split the actual door itself at the hinges. Window film works on commercial applications with heavy frames but are worthless on the vast majority of residential windows.
rocktivity
(44,580 posts)It's called third-degree or felony murder: If someone dies in the course of your committing a felony (the home invasion, in this case), you've also committed a murder. Since the five acted in concert, they're each as guilty as if they pulled the trigger.
And please note that I wrote "someone dies" instead of "someone gets killed" -- it was not by accident. If the man had dropped dead of a heart attack, or fallen down some stairs and broken his neck, that would add up to five counts of felony murder, too.
rocktivity
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)For instance, if this guy had shot and killed one of the invaders, the other four would have been able to be held criminally liable for his death.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)However you should not be naive enough to believe that the people who invade your home won't be prepared to defend themselves if you fire at them. And if there are more of them than there are of you, the results could be unfortunate anyway.
In my experience a lot of people think that being prepared to offer an armed response guarantees your safety/survival under any circumstances. All it does is even the odds a bit.
YllwFvr
(827 posts)Haven't had mine long enough to decide if I would get it in case I confronted someone, or if my other half would.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)goblin upsets certain Canadians. In my opinion they are less than human, since they hunt in packs and go after the old and defencless, and thus goblin would be appropreate.
However since the Canadians object to it I will refrain from using the term goblin in the OP.
Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)If they don't like the word, they can jabber all they want. Whatever.
Carry on with whatever verbiage you deem appropriate.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)Oh....PavePusher - you're a mean man.
In fact, you bein' an evil gun owner and all, I believe that Guitar Shorty wrote a song about you......
Clames
(2,038 posts)...of certain Canadians. Goblins, vermin, thugs, bastards, and even more colorful epithets should all be perfectly acceptable for criminals such as these.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)safeinOhio
(32,736 posts)Not that hard.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not a good bet.