Skelos: Gun-clip limit on 'indefinite postponement'[NY]

[hack89]

ALBANY -- As the legislature began the process of enacting a new state budget Sunday, its top Republican said lawmakers effectively will cancel a ban on the sale of gun and rifle magazines larger than seven rounds that was set to take effect April 15.

In doing so, Senate co-leader Dean Skelos (R-Rockville Centre) confirmed a plan lawmakers outlined last week.

The budget will include an "indefinite postponement of the issue concerning the clips," Skelos said just before the Senate began passing the first of several bills to enact a $136 billion state budget.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo previously signaled he would back down on the seven-round limit because manufacturers don't make such magazines. The governor called it an "inconsistency" and insisted he was not rolling back the gun law.

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/skelos-gun-clip-limit-on-indefinite-postponement-1.4888750

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[Clames]

1. Shouldn't be surprised.

Anti-gunners are quite proud of their ignorance when it gets into the details.

[Pullo]

2. They are also realizing this provision will be heavily scrutinized by the courts

for obvious reasons

[DonP]

3. They get very feisty when you point that out

We've had a series of wannabe grabbers down here, claiming that the '94 ban was somehow violated when the manufacturers actually complied with the law, but still sold semi auto rifles with the required cosmetic changes.

For some odd reason they saw that as using a "loophole".

The trick is ... you're supposed to magically read their confused and ill informed minds (that proudly refuse to learn anything about the subject they want to regulate) and obey their version of the "spirit of the law" even if the law doesn't really say that.

OTOH ... it's nice that they never seem to learn and still cheer on all this fast and sloppy legislation, that always seems to come back and bite them in the ass. Style over substance seems to be the rule. "Look we have a new law restricting your guns, ha!"

[Clames]

4. They pat themselves on the back for a job well done....

....only to find out it was half assed. Then they get really bent out of shape when that is pointed out. Pride & Ignorance.....sounds like a title of a good novel...

[kudzu22]

5. It seems to me their ultimate goal is not to reduce violence

but to get some perverse pleasure from sticking it to gun owners. The more they can inconvenience us, the happier they are.

[DonP]

6. I think it's arrogance and condescension

There are a few who seriously think these efforts can reduce violence.

But there are more, IMHO, that are like little Mike Bloombergs without checkbooks (I know, as short as he is standing on his milk crate behind the microphone that's redundant) that truly believe, in their heart of hearts, that 1. they know better than you do. 2 You're stupid for thinking anything else and can be ignored. And 3. The ends absolutely justify whatever means they use to ban/control/limit guns. After all, they actually think they are saving children's lives. Lies, extra judicial rulings, quick and sloppy legislation, police pressure et. al. are all fair game when you're on a holy crusade.

Hell, there's another Bloomie worshiping thread in GD now and anyone that doesn't agree 100% with him on gun control is being labeled a gun nut. A lot of people that have never darkened the Gungeon door are getting PO'd at being labeled that way for hating on his stop and frisk, anti OWS and union busting track record.

Heck, we've had people screaming about Citizen's United since the decision came down. Now ... all if forgiven as a 1 man Super Pac is beloved by the same DU members that hated the Koch brothers for doing the same thing in Wisconsin, as long as he points his checkbook at gun owners. (They're also cheap, since that means they don't have to ante anything up themselves.)

[CreekDog]

7. opposing unlimited clips makes us anti-gunners?

do you expect us to respect your opinion when this is how you refer to ALL of us?

[Clames]

8. LOL unlimited clips.

Yeah, no cheat codes in real life....


I have no care about you all respecting my opinion seeing as how you refer to us. Get over yourself.

[CreekDog]

9. yes, unlimited clips do you have an issue with that description?

the idea that the size or capacity of clips or their changability not be restricted by law?

do you have an issue with that?

exactly why should i include your opinion when you've talked about me like i'm a child or some less than human person to you?

[Clames]

10. It is a stupid description.

And yes, I do have a problem with those that seek to regulate them. Idiotic idea that has no logical basis except "it feels good" and it is "something to do".

As for the rest, maybe you should take a look around. For some of you, talking about gun owners like they are children would be a VAST improvement in tone. Don't whine about reaping what you sow.

[CreekDog]

11. so i'm stupid now?

so this stupid person is supposed to take your ideas and make them his own because to do otherwise would make me disrespectful of you?

oh, and right, the person who just called me stupid, just lectured me on my "tone".

yeah.

i will consider your advice along with the reality that you called me stupid.

thanks.

[Clames]

12. Did I SAY that YOU as a PERSON are stupid?

No I fucking did not...

Grow up.

[CreekDog]

13. you said what i suggested was stupid and idiotic

then you said that i needed to pay attention the the tone of what i said.

and now you're telling me to grow up.

next you'll be upset that i didn't adopt your ideas wholesale.

[Clames]

14. I know PhD's that present stupid ideas.

Does in no way mean they are stupid.


Upset? You don't possess the ability...

I don't care what you adopt either.

[CreekDog]

17. you know what? you think we are stupid because we are liberal

that's that.

you stay almost exclusively in this group, broad brush most of us and most liberals with offensive names and false strawmen about what we actually support.

why are you here?

[Clames]

21. I'm here because I don't believe in those miniscule...

...party tents you at trying to pitch. Boring, go play in play in the other group where you'll find others that echo you very well

[CreekDog]

22. you're in this group because this is the only topic that interests you

and you think the rest of DU is too liberal?

hmmm.

[Clames]

25. Wrong again.

Veterans, Autos, and a few others but very few posts are made at all in those groups.

[CreekDog]

29. i'm wrong that you're only interested in this group, however you almost never post outside it

you have other areas of interest that show you're a liberal, like "Cars", an issue where you join a liberal board to talk about liberal things.

but i'm wrong to think that almost exclusively posting in this group means that you are at DU only because of this issue.

despite the ludicrous nature of such an argument.

[Clames]

31. I'm mainly interested in this group.

If the other groups make topics that I felt I could contribute to, I post in them. Disappointing trying to get a very technical discussion in AE.


But yes, you are very wrong and might consider opening the fly on that tiny tent of yours a little bit more.

[CreekDog]

34. you mean, you don't have anything to contribute at DU with respect to Obama-Romney?

little interest, little knowledge, etc.?

just lots of posts here that are mostly against Obama's stance on the issue.

but no interest to speak of in the 2012 election generally, you are *really* *really* interested in that topic, you just don't know anything worth posting on it?

you know, maybe you didn't call me stupid. but it's pretty obvious you think that i am.

[Clames]

36. I have plenty to contribute.

I just know when to put my $0.02 in and when not to. The President supports the individual right to own firearms and there are quite a few here that are against that stance. Vehemently so in many cases. Do you denounce them for it too? Probably not. I didn't have a whole lot of interest in discussing the 2012 election. It was a forgone conclusion to me and what I could say was already being said a thousand times over. Is still being said actually. Gets boring quick.


Still wrong. Don't think you are stupid. Petty and narrow minded and approaching juvenile in your little hunt you have going on. Hope you have plenty of paste for you label gun...

[ZombieHorde]

42. This witch hunt is unbecoming.

If you think this poster violates the TOS, then just let the administrators deal with it.

[ZombieHorde]

48. RKBA is for everyone. I wish we wouldn't wish each other away. nt

[Clames]

50. It should be for everyone. n/t

[shadowrider]

16. A point of order

Don't you think you'd be more at home in the other group? It's an echo chamber there with no dissenting thought allowed. You'd be right at home methinks.

[CreekDog]

19. I am at home on DU, where liberal viewpoints are the point of the place

it's interesting that you ask me to leave this group.

this seems to be the only group or topic that you post on here.

are you here for DU or are you here to post on the conservative side of the gun issue exclusively?

if the latter is what you practice, then your advice to me is missing the point of Democratic Underground.

[shadowrider]

24. LOL you're funny

1) I did NOT ask you to leave the group
2) I post in other areas
3) Democrats can be, and are, gun owners
4) I am unaware being pro-gun/2A is a conservative side of the gun issue.

[CreekDog]

28. you post here and venture out occasionally to post on guns in other forums

so, no you don't post in other topical areas.

what you post elsewhere is just a version of what you post here.

you could at least own this.

[CreekDog]

32. interesting, an whole election season and not a post about Obama-Romney

posts about food, cars, guns, etc.

Romney, Obama? Meh. Why would anyone post about that on DU?

[oldhippie]

52. I see what you are doing here ......

You are very entertaining. You make DU fun!

[CreekDog]

15. by the way, are you actually a liberal? you post almost exclusively here in this group

it appears you post almost exclusively on the on gun issues, mostly from the right.

oh, and here's a post from you calling people "gun grabbers".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=34531

[Clames]

18. I am.

Very moderate but still left leaning.


Gun grabbers? Few of those around here for certain. Compared to "gun fuckers" and other such vile terms I seriously don't think many of you have room to comment.


I'll add "small tenter" to the list for you....

[CreekDog]

20. you're left leaning?

i guess all those posts against Romney in GD, oh wait, there weren't really any to speak of...

[Clames]

23. Hard for me to give a shit less about Romney.

Yawn, purists make DU suck btw.

[CreekDog]

26. we're too liberal for you, got it

that's why you limit your posts here, where you call the rest of DU names.

got it.

[Clames]

33. Swing and a miss.

Any proof where I've called the rest of DU names? No? Thought as much.

Too liberal...you small tent folks need to get out more and stop making DU suck.

[CreekDog]

35. so you usually avoid the rest of DU because it's too liberal, too "small tent" for you?

on what issue, besides this one?

health care? too "small-tent"?

environment? too "small-tent"?

help for the poor? too "small-tent"?

civil rights including affirmative action and civil rights laws that protect certain classes of people? too "small-tent"?

[Clames]

37. There you go again.

Apparently you don't quite get what is meant by "small-tent". Let me help you: it has something to do with purists like yourself. Get over your "small-tent" if you can.

[CreekDog]

38. you keep saying there's too small a tent, give us an example, on what issue (besides this one)?

what issue is the tent too small?

is it Medicare?

is it rights to Same Sex marriage?

is it universal health care?

you keep saying the place is too purist, what's an issue where you think that's the case? since you are saying that it's not just this gun issue that you are interested in, which other issue is there too small a tent for you?

[Clames]

39. Still don't get it.

YOU are the small tent. It's about exclusivity. Anyone who doesn't tote your line is excluded. I'm didn't say "the place" is too purist, I said YOU are. Deliberately mischaracterizing what is written in very plain English is just proof you have nothing to really add here.

[CreekDog]

40. so you don't post on DU because of me

but you post here even though i've been a regular poster in here for years.

[Clames]

41. Still aren't getting over yourself.

You need do something about the ego and deliberate obtuseness. Getting boring again...

[jmg257]

44. Gun fuckers was one one of mine. I used it to refer

To fuckers who use guns to kill a bunch of people.
Admittedly i got carried away on occasion due to emotions, and scope-creep grew often to include others who seemed a bit too selfish where their gun needs were concerned.

My mistake in not being more civil and keeping the distinction to those who break the law.

[madville]

43. I fully support a ban on "unlimited clips" as well

Since no such thing exists it should be easy to pass with very little objection and no court challenges.

Seriously though, they know they have to backtrack on this or risk having the entire law thrown out. Will probably get adjusted to ten rounds, a very common and readily available alternative for many firearms capable of accepting high capacity detachable magazines.

[Clames]

45. Such a ban will go well with plastic Glocks...

...though it might affect massless rope and frictionless pulleys used in early engineering courses....

[madville]

46. I thought they were porcelain

So metal detectors won't pick them up and, of course, they cost more than you make in a month.

[holdencaufield]

49. Try sneaking a toilet onto an airplane ...

... it turned out to be much more difficult than I had planned.

That's the last time I take advice from John McClane.

[av8r1998]

58. they already

Have a 10 round limit in NY.
Poetic justice would be the SAFE act causing a legal challenge declaring mag cap limits unconstitutional under miller and heller.

[Straw Man]

47. There haven't been "unlimited clips" in NY since 1994.

There has been a 10-round limit for almost twenty years. Now Cuomo wants seven. And yet we're told there is no slippery slope ...

[av8r1998]

57. the mere fact

That you call it a "clip" speaks volumes about who and what you are.

[CreekDog]

59. oh who and what am I?

you are insinuating that i'm a horrible, horrible person.

[av8r1998]

60. no

I am insinuating that you are uninformed.
Wait.. I didn't insinuate, I said it...
Ooopps

[CreekDog]

61. should I be more like you?

post 99% of my DU content on the topic of guns, and nearly all recent posts in this group to the right of nearly every DUer and the president on the topic.

is that how i should be?

[av8r1998]

62. since when

Is supporting rights a "right vs left" issue?

2) the president is slightly left of center on guns so yeah...I'm to the right of him on the gun issue. So is Harry Reid. Guess I'm in good company.

3) since 99% of my posts are in the gungeon, and empirically 1/2 of them are on my side, I see no evidence of being to the right of DU'ers. Can you substantiate that claim please?
Or just leave rkba and go back to your gun control safe room.

[davepc]

66. You only get the unlimited clip when you beat the game on hard

In under 5 hours and no alerts.

[Serve The Servants]

30. What do you expect

from the same people that believe sketch comedy is tantamount to effective legislative action?

[ileus]

27. Let's keep our fingers crossed...for our friends in NY.

It's really not as bad a state as it's firearms rights convey.

[dkf]

51. Like they didn't know there aren't 7 round magazines prior to writing this law?

Yeah sure.

I guess they thought manufacturers would hop to their specs...

[CreekDog]

53. so you oppose any limit on ammo clips

but support banning a mosque from being built in Lower Manhattan because of the religion it represents.

yeah, that seems fair.

[CokeMachine]

54. I oppose all limits on ammo clips.

I support some limits on magazines. Clips are just a device used to feed fixed magazines and any limitation on them is pointless.

I know you meant magazines but I couldn't resist.

[CreekDog]

56. it's fine

when one of you discusses climate change, i'll discount everything you say if you don't describe every term you use in accordance with my own understanding of it.

[CokeMachine]

63. I believe climate change is occurring.

It's a subject covered quite extensively here. I'm not well versed in the terminology and science of it so I stick with what I'm familiar. For me (that means me personally) it's best to sit on the side lines and not show my ignorance on the subject while trying to learn more about it.

[CreekDog]

64. you mean you won't make a statement about the need for conservation...

because you aren't a climatologist?

really? is that really the standard you folks in this group are trying to set?

[CokeMachine]

65. I'm all for conservation.

My conservation includes everyone living sustainably. Most everything I eat is either raised by me or through arrangements with friends.

I believe that Hetch Hetchy should be drained along with the dams on the Colorado and Snake rivers. If you live somewhere where you have to get your water from non-local sources then you (that's a general you) are part of the problem. If you have to have your sewage and garbage dumped into the ocean then that's part of the problem. It would be nice if coastal cities had to find their own water sources instead of stealing it from rural areas. That would mean bye-bye LV, NYC and most of southern CA.

Have you seen the mess wind turbines have created in SE Idaho. I used to go camping at Massacre State Park on the Snake River. The skies were wide open with only natural noise but now you look at the horizon and all you see are massive windmills and all of the destruction to the habitat caused in building them. I believe in solar as long as you are not covering over hundreds of square miles of open land with them.

Please note that I use the word BELIEVE and not KNOW. I BELIEVE in many environmental causes but I don't KNOW the science behind them. That's why I usually defer to those that actually know the subject matter and try to learn and accept knowledge from them.

These are my interests of DU and I find more all of the time.

Environment & Energy
Gun Control & RKBA
Gun Control Reform Activism
Idaho
Interfaith Group
Outdoor Life

Take Care,

[CreekDog]

68. Since you're against dams, you support removal of Klamath River dams which support agriculture

that would be a consistent position.

unless you only support tearing down dams that provide drinking water to city dwellers.

[CokeMachine]

69. I believe agriculture was covered by mentioning

the Snake River Dams. Those dams are primarily used for agriculture.

I grew up in the county so I naturally don't appreciate the finer aspects of the concrete jungles and all of the pollution they produce. Look at all of that nice clean air that LA pumps into the Grand Canyon. Here in the Bay Area our air if usually good because all of our pollution is blown to the central valley and the foot hills.

Have a great evening!! Got pool league tonight so gotta go.

[dkf]

55. I don't support banning either.

I also don't think it's a good PR move to wave either of those things in front of the faces of people who have family members who died violently in those incidences. It's just assholish behavior.

[Clames]

67. I tried to find a 7 round mag for my 1911.

Not a single one. Mostly 8rd and 10rd mags with junk floor plates and a few 30rd ones...


Oh, and it looks like the buying has peaked out. Saw a whole box of polymer 30rd AR magazines and hardly anyone looking at it.

[GreenStormCloud]

70. cheaperthandirt.com has some 1911 7-rd mags.

Most listings are for 8 round mags, but I did see one retailer that had 7-round ones.

[Clames]

71. I've got a discount coupon to Springfield Armory to use up.

Pay about the same either way. I need to order the stuff I need to refinish the Yugo M48 though...