NY SAFE act, seems to be a might unpopuler....

[virginia mountainman]

How else would anyone explain THIS?!



I wonder with all those ANTI gun control resolutions being passed by local governments in a "supposed" anti-gun state, what this means for the hopes of gun control supporters nation wide?

I wonder what the consequences of such a strong stance will be on election day?

Their is an old saying....Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Now back to my ice cold Cheerwine.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. Cheerwine!

[rdharma]

2. Alcohol and guns.....

Seems you like that mix.

[gejohnston]

5. don't live in the Southeast do you?

I'm guessing the alchol content is somewhat less than 3.2 beer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerwine

[rdharma]

6. Live in the Southeast?

Actually, I do. Just moved here. Still haven't been served a Cheerwine here in District 13.

[gejohnston]

7. have to know where to look in the store and which store

there are more soda choices than the two multi nationals.

[rdharma]

10. I don't drink pop.

Sounds like cherry flavored high fructose version of teeth rotting Mountain Dew.

Y'all drink a couple for me!

[gejohnston]

11. many of the smaller companies still use cane sugar

just have to brush and floss afterwards just like you do afterwards,
you can find that through holy trinity of Yahoo, Bing, Google also.

[rdharma]

14. That company is less than an hour drive from me.

I'll have to check it out!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. edify yourself ---

Cheerwine is a cherry-flavored soft drink produced by the Carolina Beverage Corporation of Salisbury, North Carolina. It has been produced since 1917 by "the oldest continuing soft drink company still run by the same family".[1]

more at link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerwine

[iiibbb]

20. Seems your derpy knowitallness extends to soft drinks

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerwine

[rdharma]

27. Never been too interested in pork rinds or chewing tobacco either! nt

[holdencaufield]

21. It works for James Bond

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[spin]

30. You can enjoy and use both alcohol and firearms responsibly. ...

but using the two together is a bad mix and can lead to tragedy.

It's a lot like smoking a cigarette while you are using a powder measure to drop charges in cartridge cases with the exception that smoking a cigarette is bad for your health.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. people seem to forget that NYC is not the whole sum of the state ... much to Bloomie's chagrin.

[mwrguy]

13. Apparently it's enough

Bloomberg didn't pass that, the state legislature did.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. couldn't buy that one, could he.

wish he would spend some of that money around here, lord knows the economy could use it.

[HockeyMom]

28. Ah but you move out of NYC

and you don't change your views. Lived on Long Island for almost 30 years and was pro gun control. Lived in Florida for 6 years and I am still pro gun control. I lived for 38 years with a NRA husband, and I am still pro control.

Location?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. good for you

[slackmaster]

12. There's your urban/rural divide, plain as day

[iiibbb]

19. I don't think NYC is even that representative of urban

It is a whole different animal

[jimmy the one]

16. 65% pro guncontrol by population

va mtn man: I wonder with all those ANTI gun control resolutions being passed by local governments in a "supposed" anti-gun state, what this means for the hopes of gun control supporters nation wide?
I wonder what the consequences of such a strong stance will be on election day?

You wonder all that? I wonder why you didn't check population statistics before sticking your foot in your mouth, since the white & yellow counties which voted 'for' the safe controls cuomo put forth, comprise approx 13 million of the approx 19.4 million total new york residents.
The pro safe 'cuomo' people (counties shaded in white) comprise about 12.5 million, shaded in yellow about 0.5 million, anti safe/anti cuomo counties about 6.4 million. (tho still just by county, but polls reflect a similar 65 - 35 split in favor of the safe controls.

So, guncontrol wins out by population about 65%. What was your point? other than you should stay in virginia.
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=197

[gejohnston]

17. question is, how many of those same politicians would have voted for

it if they read it? The map doesn't show actual opinion either way, simply what county governments did or did not do.

[Straw Man]

18. First of all ...

I wonder why you didn't check population statistics before sticking your foot in your mouth, since the white & yellow counties which voted 'for' the safe controls cuomo put forth, comprise approx 13 million of the approx 19.4 million total new york residents.

This wasn't a plebiscite. The electorate didn't vote either "for" or "against" this law. Their elected representatives did, most of whom hadn't even read it. In any case, your formulation logic suggests that 100% of the downstate population favors gun control and 100% of the upstate population opposes it. You're suggesting a sort of winner-take-all "electoral college of opinion." It doesn't work that way. Perhaps you'd prefer we just take polls and abolish the legislative process altogether.

Ever heard of a bicameral legislature? The intent is to provide a counterweight against the tendency of population centers to dominate policy-making and governance. Didn't work this time: Andy Cuomo pulled lots of political strings to get this one through the State Senate, which has traditionally skewed conservative and squashed most gun control bills. Still, even pre-SAFE, NY was one of the strictest gun-control states in the Union, right behind CA and NJ. But Andy wanted a coup, and upstaters got screwed once again, including some upstate Democrats who voted against the bill and will be punished by Andy for it, make no mistake.

Urban voters know little to nothing of the upstate culture of gun ownership. To them, guns mean crime and nothing else. Their representatives reflect those perceptions. The logic is as follows: Because gang and drug wars are costing the lives of innocent children in the city, Bubba on his dairy farm should not be allowed to have an AR-15.

If you think that what happens in Albany reflects the will of the people of New York State, I don't know what to tell you except that the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are not real. Politics in this state have been a filthy dirty power-and-money game for a long, long time. The SAFE Act has far more to do with Andrew Cuomo's Presidential aspirations than it does with public service or public safety.

[jimmy the one]

23. usual shtick

straw man: This wasn't a plebiscite. The electorate didn't vote either "for" or "against" this law. Their elected representatives did

.. well aware, and you will note that I qualified by noting that several NY statewide polls had similar 65% - 35% support for cuomo's guncontrol bills, whether coincidental or representative dunno (to the county by county population breakdown).

Ever heard of a bicameral legislature? The intent is to provide a counterweight against the tendency of population centers to dominate policy-making and governance. Didn't work this time:

Wasn't really my concern, which was to refute va mtn man's contention that guncontrol candidates would 'suffer' nationwide for supporting guncontrol (his usual song & dance).
He could even have a half argument if it weren't that NY generally votes democrat, & a NY republican is not a red state republican by a long shot (see mass scott brown).

what va mtn man wrote, his usual shtick of election day doom: I wonder with all those ANTI gun control resolutions being passed by local governments in a "supposed" anti-gun state, what this means for the hopes of gun control supporters nation wide? I wonder what the consequences of such a strong stance will be on election day?

my qualifier: (tho still just by county, but polls reflect a similar 65 - 35 split in favor of the safe controls. -- and by polls I meant statewide NY polls.

straw man: The SAFE Act has far more to do with Andrew Cuomo's Presidential aspirations than it does with public service or public safety.

You might wanna take this issue up with va mtn man.

Urban voters know little to nothing of the upstate culture of gun ownership. To them, guns mean crime and nothing else. Their representatives reflect those perceptions. The logic is as follows: Because gang and drug wars are costing the lives of innocent children in the city, Bubba on his dairy farm should not be allowed to have an AR-15.

So an assault weapon ban should be stifled just so's 'bubba' can own one? why not legalize moonshine then?
If there weren't hundreds of alternate & just as effective rifles to use 'on the farm' you might have a point. But there are, & you don't.
(I go to nyc sometimes from pennsy, & catskills, & finger lakes region).

[Straw Man]

25. Missing the point again.

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So an assault weapon ban should be stifled just so's 'bubba' can own one? why not legalize moonshine then?
If there weren't hundreds of alternate & just as effective rifles to use 'on the farm' you might have a point. But there are, & you don't.

Bubba already owns one. The law would like to take it away, or at least prevent the next generation from owning one. Moonshine? It's legal to make your own wine and beer for personal consumption, as it should be. Home-brewed hard liquor seems to present more of a health risk and is banned, although I think that if those concerns could be allayed, it should be legal as well.

Hundreds of "alternate & just as effective" rifles? Certainly arguable. If I had a coyote problem on a dairy farm, I would want a semi-auto centerfire with a detachable magazine. Wouldn't you? It had better not have a pistol grip, though, or else one might be tempted to commit mass murder with it.

The point is that any regulation of rights is only excusable when a clear and pressing public safety need has been established. Rifles still account for fewer murders than do hands, fists, and feet.

[PuffedMica]

22. City-slickers a tellin' those country bumpkins what to do

(fer there'in own good, acourse)

[slackmaster]

24. Irrelevant. Our laws aren't determined by popularity poll results.

[holdencaufield]

26. No ...

... but the political lives of those who pass the laws ARE. And they know that, even if you don't.

[mokawanis]

31. I'd explain it as something the NRA likes to see

and we all know what a fucked up group of ignorant fools the NRA and their supporters are.