Police Can Confiscate ‘Public Nuisance’ High-Capacity Ammo Clips

[SecularMotion]

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A draft ordinance proposed by the Los Angeles City Attorney’s office would declare large-capacity ammunition magazines a “public nuisance” and authorize police to confiscate and destroy them.

In a report delivered to the City Clerk’s office, the proposed municipal ordinance would provide for high-capacity ammunition clips of more than 10 rounds to be taken off the streets by law enforcement, confiscated and destroyed as a public nuisance that threatens the public health, safety and welfare.

Trutanich filed the ordinance in response to a motion by City Councilmember Paul Krekorian and at the request of the City Council’s Public Safety Committee on Feb. 22 to draft a municipal law that would authorize a ban on large-capacity magazine clips.

Under California law, the manufacture, sale or exchange of large-capacity ammunition magazines of more than 10 rounds is prohibited.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/05/report-police-can-confiscate-high-capacity-ammo-clips-as-public-nuisance/

[Politicalboi]

1. Good

This is how it's done. Fuck the NRA nuts. Let's hope this passes.

[kudzu22]

2. It'll be fun to hear them explain

why one 30-round mag is a nuisance but three 10 rounders are not.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. Personal property...

...maintained and secured in the home or vehicle would fail the test for public nuisance. The OP, however, may pass that test, as would the actions to which it refers.

To be a public nuisance, an item would have to actually be present in public.

[upaloopa]

6. If you don't know. 30 is a larger number than 10

To fire 30 rounds with a 10 round magazine requires 3 magazines. You have to carry 3 loaded magazines and reload twice. It takes longer and there is an interval of time were there is no shooting going on. Thus there is a better chance of victims not getting shot.
You don't get that with a 30 round magazine.
Get it?
Of course you do. Your problem stems from having a gun fetish. In case you're not here already. Don't come to CA packing because we're ahead of the curve on just about everything including gun laws which I'm sure you like to call draconian. Well we like it that way.

[kudzu22]

10. but 30 is not greater than 30

It's hard to explain how one is a nuisance and one is not. 30 rounds is 30 rounds. Public nuisance usually refers to garbage-filled lots and/or smelly or unsightly property. Not something you can't see or smell. They're just trying to commit robbery under color of law. They need to get over their fear and start dealing with the problem rationally.

[razee]

12. 1.8 seconds to change a magazine

You have the delusion of being ahead of the curve. I'm sure it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy like you've really accomplished something important.

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[Prog_gun_owner]

16. agree. youtube speed reload.

Most semi auto weapon can be speed reloaded, and even some revolvers.

Aside from that, the only thing that a law like this assures is that any law abiding citizen will need to reload every 10 rounds wile the crook...

Personally I feel that 10 round clips are enough, because they are fast enough to change out. I also don't think that some one in a fire fight with a single 30 round clip has a significant advantage over some one with 3 10 round clips.

The reality is however that the citizens will always be out gunned by the government, and most likely the criminals as well. I don't think average citizens will be able to have full autos any time soon.

I also think that pending much training and a psych evaluation/background check that a citizen should be able to own a full auto. But if they act stupid with it, they should have all weapons confiscated.

[sylvi]

13. Newsflash

In mass shootings using a "high capacity magazine" there is also "an interval of time were there is no shooting going on" as the perpetrator moves from one room or area to another, searches for specific victims, clears jams caused by those same types of magazines, assesses their situation, etc. They don't often just walk in the door pulling the trigger non-stop until they're out of ammo. That's why mag capacity plays a negligible role in how many people one can kill in such a scenario. When they have a pretty much captive group of defenseless people in their clutches there's always a few seconds available for the nutjob to change magazines. They have no need to hurry. The Sandy Hill shooter changed magazines several times before each one was empty.

The usefulness of a high-cap mag comes into play in a firefight situation to give one parity or superiority against an armed opponent(s). That's why they are sought after in home defense weapons.

[Jenoch]

17. The fact that the Sandy Hook

mental case changed magazines several times when they were half-full shows the influence of the violent video games he was playing. It's my understanding that in the video games there is unlimited ammo and a player does not want to run out of ammo at the wrong time of the 'game'.

[sarisataka]

19. In real life it is called

a tactical reload. The school of thought is that in a gunfight, a person cannot keep an accurate count of how many rounds they have fired. To avoid the embarrassment of trying to fire a gun that is empty, shooters are taught to replace a partially used magazine with a full one when they have a momentary respite.

A separate school of thought is that under stress it is too much to swap magazines and retain the partial. To drop it is throwing away ammo that may be desperately needed later so instead train to rapidly change magazines when they have run dry.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Cho at Virginia Tech reloaded at least 11 times.

They probably only stopped Loughner in AZ because his glock 18 magazine jammed, which is to be expected, and explains why there is only one military on the planet that will use that mag at all, and even then, only for one particular purpose.

[Jenoch]

21. Ok, now I'm curious.

What military uses that magazine and for what purpose?

I think it bears repeating that Loughner, Cho, and the Sandy Hook and Aurora shooter all showed significant signs of mental illness. If their families had been more vigilant and aware maybe some of the carnage would never have occurred.

[gejohnston]

22. Austrian EKO Cobra anti-terrorist unit

They use it in the Glock model 18, which is a full auto version of the 17, with a shoulder stock

[AtheistCrusader]

23. And it's used in the glock 18, which is a fully-automatic machine pistol.

They don't really intend to reload it. There are a variety of sub-machine-guns that work well for this purpose, but are a bit bigger/weigh more.

Americans basically buy this magazine for convenience. Reload less at the range.
But it's not mechanically very reliable. Especially when you compare it to the glock pistol itself.

[SQUEE]

3. I am certain they will stop by their own armories

to destroy their own magazines first, yes?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. Police can and will do whatever they want. After the fact, the public gets it day in court.

The poor get justice and vengeance and the rich get mercy. It was ever thus and so shall it remain, status quo.

[sarisataka]

7. Not bad, three Amendments

erased all in one bill. I suppose the police can just pick the magazines up with your electronic devices if you are within 100 miles of the border.

Now if we can just get a proposal to ban criticism of public officials and require a permit for gatherings of three or more people we will really be making progress

[Animal Chin]

8. Not sure what the purpose of the law is

Can't they already confiscate any they find since 10+ capacity mags are already illegal in California?

[Animal Chin]

9. ah, perhaps this is to get those that are "grandfathered" in?

Just saw that the CA prohibition is against "manufacture, sale, transfer."

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Existing magazines are grandfathered

[Jenoch]

11. It's an interesting law.

A similar local ordinance would be illegal in Minnesota since local gun laws cannot be more strict than state gun laws.

[ileus]

14. The people shouldn't stand for this...fire and replace with 2A progressives.

The people of CA should have never let it come to this. Lost rights are hard to reclaim...This is the battle we all must fight.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. They should be required to wear brown shirts while doing so.

Trutanich is a vote-pandering, totalitarian shitheel.