cafe owner has AR-15 to defend Obama mural
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regardless how we feel about pretend military rifles, the Breakfast Club is the first eatery I'm going to next time I'm in Houston.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/50895550#50895550
Right on Mr. Davis 
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What do you mean by that? 
I pointed that out! Scroll down and look at my post #13!
Check the time of posting! 
What's wrong? Are you the only one allowed to use red herrings?
....joker?!!!!! 
FAIL! He wasn't THAT crazy that he would choose home made fire bombs over an assault weapon for mass murder.
Keep diggin'!
Did he?!!!!
Killed LOTS of people!
The M-4 is pretty much the same as commercially available AR-15s.
Differences? Shorter barrel and selector switch.
Other than that ......... they are exactly the same.
Was that your point?
I can exchange and fit any part that fits an AR-15 on an M-16 (and visa versa).
They are almost identical. But don't take my word....... I just built these things......... so what do I know?
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Very well........ Here you go!
It seems there has been a real run on certain parts to convert AR-15s to M-16s. I wonder why that is?
An individual possessing a DIAS/lightning link/conversion kit and also possessing an AR-15 with certain parts (M16 bolt carrier, selector, trigger, or hammer) can be found to be in possession of an unregistered machine gun regardless if the part is not currently installed on the weapon. You can own a registered DIAS if you do not own an AR15 but you can jeopardize your freedom if you have both in a gun safe even if the the parts assembled do not make a functional select-fire weapon. More bullshit misinformation from the resident Google gunsmith...
...then consider that most AR bolt carriers aren't machined to work with M16 sears, Colt/FN military contract rifles that use larger pins, and military uppers are machined differently at the rear to deal with the different shelf in the lower. I would personally not come within a mile of a rifle built by someone so ignorant. Only AR you've ever built had LEGO on the parts..
"then consider that most AR bolt carriers aren't machined to work with M16 sears"
AR-15 carriers can be modified to M-16 configuration. But why go through the problems of modification. They are easily purchased commercially!
"Colt/FN military contract rifles that use larger pins"
Oh? You mean you've never seen those pin adapters?
"and military uppers are machined differently at the rear to deal with the different shelf in the lower"
Oh? Sure you didn't mean the LOWER!
AR-15 carriers cannot be modified to work in a M16, the material in the bolt carrier is not there to modify in the first place.
No, I did not mean the lower. I meant exactly what I said. You obviously don't know what it means to have a high shelf vs low shelf when it comes to how the uppers and lowers are machined. Keep displaying your ignorance oh mighty AR builder...
So tell me! This should be good!
PS - M-16 carriers are commercially available and require no paperwork!
They can't, eh, Mr. Clames? What's this?
Oh, and weren't you going to tell me something about the difference between the M-16 and AR-15 upper receiver?
Absolutely pathetic, that kit does not work with current A2 variant burst sears and A3 auto sears. Keep parading your ignorance. I already told you the difference between the upper receivers, can't figure it out? Google it, just like the rest of your gunsmithing knowledge...
Can't wait for you to post some pics of the AR you imagined you built.
Like I said before. You can buy the carrier commercially!
As I recall, they had select-fire M-16s in the '70s.
So much for YOUR gunsmithing "knowledge"!
By your post above, I guess you have figured out your mistake about the uppers!
Keep diggin'!
But if you didn't know exactly what parts then your argument falls completely on it's face.
No shit they had select fire M16's in the 70's, just like in the 50's and 60's. What you fail to understand is that those are A1's and their auto-sears are different from later versions. So much fail from you... Unlike you, I haven't made a mistak yet. Keep on talking Google gunsmith.
I know what parts.
And your gorilla dust keeps flying with your A1 vs. newer models. Really Sherlock? Where did I say they were exactly the same? Please point that out because I forgot typing it!
The Freeper site is not back up? Is that why you are busy here?
More gorilla dust..... please! And tell me about those uppers!
...which is why you mistakenly think you can swap in a AR bolt carrier into a M16... Is Google down? Is that why you keep asking a question I've already answered that anyone who knows how to build an AR15 knows? Still trying to dig out of that lie? 
...with those of limited technical ability. This will serve as a general technical primer for the RKBA group as a whole and help to dispel the ignorant statement of "easily converted" AR15's made by those who don't do their proper research.
This is a picture of a current issued M16A2 lower receiver showing the select-fire trigger group.
This is a picture of a civilian AR15 "high shelf" lower receiver showing the semi-auto only trigger group.
Pay special attention to the areas forward and around of the rear receiver pin. Notice the amount of material left on the sides and in the bottom of the trigger group "well" in the civilian legal AR15. Difficult to tell in the photos but if measured directly the width of the gap allowed for the rear lug of the upper receiver is slightly smaller in the AR15. This means that a M16 upper cannot be simply installed on a civilian AR15 lower without grinding the rear lug narrower. It is also impossible to swap trigger groups without significant and precise machining to the civilian lower receiver. That isn't all though.
This the a picture of the rear section of a M16A2 upper receiver.
This is a picture of a civilian AR15 upper receiver intended to be installed on a civilian AR15 lower.
The difference is in the depth of the rear lug. The M16's is slightly deeper which moves the position of the hole for the pin down relative to the shelf of the upper receiver. You would have to grind the bottom of the lug and wallow out the hole to make it fit on a current civilian AR15 lower resulting in an unstable, inaccurate, and potentially dangerous weapon to use as there will be excessive play from the modifications to the M16 upper. Military contract M16/M4's are sized to have fairly loose tolerances which makes it easier to field strip, correct malfunctions under duress, and facilitate unit level repair by allowing parts to be swapped from weapons made by different contractors. Civilian AR15's are built to closer tolerances for enhanced accuracy and feel and assembling parts usually requires minor to moderate fitting to work properly.
Unless you are familiar with both designs.
Like I said........ it 's a "mini-M-1 carbine. But that wouldn't have been a good selling point for old Bill Ruger, eh?!!!!!
Oh, puhleese. The position of the mag release and safety makes all the difference, eh? Forget about the design of the gas system (the guts).
I think you meant to say you have an M1-A ( the civilian version of the M-14) and not an M1 (Garand). In fact, the M1-A is an almost exact copy of the military M-14.
Strange that you should be trying to make the argument that the civilian versions are SO different from the military versions, but you just keep confirming that they are....... practically identical.
Nothing I said about the AR-15/M-16 is inaccurate.
I guess it must just be frustrating for you to come on DU and argue in favor of your favorite schoolyard shooting enthusiast's weapons when you can't play the "firearms authority".
The AR-15 and the military M-16 are almost identical........ and the more you argue that they aren't........ the deeper you dig yourself in your hole.
BTW - Bill Ruger knew a thing or two about promoting his products. Hence, he knew the Mini-14 handle would work better. He also pushed for the original "assault rifle ban" because he knew it would give him an advantage selling his (exempt) Mini-14.
And gee..... I wonder why Bill Ruger never produced a .308 version? After all, that was the cartridge used in the M-14 and "they are so similar in design",....... right?
Basically regurgitating the technical ignorance of anti-gunners who state that it is "so easy" to convert a semiauto AR into a select-fire military weapon with drop in parts. Hilarious watching you try to weasel your way out of the hole you dig yourself. Technical ignorance had been the downfall of many arguments by you and others here. Bill Ruger produced the Mini-30 in 7.62x39 and didn't feel the need to compete with SA. He knew what he was doing, pity you can't figure that out...
The mini-14 was made to compete with COLT........ not SA.
You just keep getting caught in your errors, my friend.
What I said about the M-16/AR-15 is accurate. That's why you have to keep backpedaling and throwing gorilla dust.
Maybe you should troll somewhere else...... 'cause you've lost all credibility here.
PS - Still waiting to hear about the upper receiver "differences"!
Someone did a mural of the President holding an AR-15, and the cafe owner defended the mural?
He's a good citizen.
...at the beginning of the movie BASIC.
