Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumARKANSAS: Church Protection (Guns in Church) Bill Signed into Law.
http://www.allmediany.com/news/7376-new-arkansas-law-allows-guns-in-churchThe Church Protection Act would grant places of worship the right to decide whether they want to allow members to bring their concealed handguns to services. The bill was passed in the House 85 - 8 with bipartisan support.
It is crucial to protecting the freedom of religion and property rights, said Nicholas Stehle, a member of the board of directors of the advocacy group Arkansas Carry. The state has no business meddling in the affairs of our churches.
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That is the first gun bill passed in 2013. Another legislative victory for gun rights.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Christ, Islam or any other messenger of peace stands their ground and prohibits guns in their churches. Then make the sorry bastards sue 'em. A court is going to dictate to a church what happens in their church? I don't think so.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)This law will stop courts from dictating what happens in their church.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Most Protestant churches will have a vote of the church membership. The pastor is not a dictator. I don't know how Catholic churchs make such decisions. Texas has had that law for several years. The church I attend allows guns, and I know several people who do carry concealed in church. Nobody cares.
Gman
(24,780 posts)looks like a good law
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Or are you saying now they can allow guns, where before they weren't allowed in any church?
I find either idea hard to believe. Were there state or town laws on the books denying guns in churches?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the churches could not allow guns if they wanted to.
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)get the old ladies on the floor and search them? I've never seen it.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I don't carry in town, and I don't go to church.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I imagine a lot of folk will be switching churches soon.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)It didn't in Texas when we adopted the same law a few years ago.
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Was that the law they used to attack the place? And now, with the new law allowing guns in church, they'd be all set?
Just wondering how all that works.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Waco was both a church and a group residence, so their guns were legal. Since the church/residence was private property, any legal guns were also legal there.
When Texas adopted concealed carry there was a list of places that one could not carry. Churches were on the list. Then there was a mass shooting in a church in Texas and the legislature responded by changing the law to allow concealed carry in churches.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Not that you truly have any concern one way or the other of course.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)And you are 100% correct about my lack of concern. The state has no business dictating church business or behavior, unless it interferes with government or public interest. The irony of faithful "Christians" arming themselves in their own place of worship is priceless.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)If being armed wasn't routine for some of them, they why did they have two swords at the Mount of Olives on Jesus' arrest night?
Clames
(2,038 posts)...but maybe you should try and read the actual law.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS:
SECTION 1. Arkansas Code § 5-73-306(16), concerning the prohibition against carrying a concealed handgun in a church or other place of worship, is amended to read as follows:
(16)(A) Any church or other place of worship.
(B)However, this subchapter does not preclude a church or other place of worship from determining who may carry a concealed handgun in church or other place of worship;
Meaning: the State isn't dictating shit to the churches. The irony of the usual screed without factual basis.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Or are you arguing against yourself?
Clames
(2,038 posts)I'm not the one imagining the state of Arkansas has passed a law that makes the churches there do anything.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)it is a win for church/state separation?