Gun Control & RKBA
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Although Buddhism has two major sects Theravada and Mahayana both agree on the crux of Buddhist philosophy based on the Four Noble Truths, the Noble Eightfold Path and the associated 12-factor formula of conditioned genesis.
This essay asserts that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution would not have passed muster if our founding fathers had recognized the Four Noble Truths as the undisputable truth.
The Noble Eightfold Path does not endorse weapons for individual protection or use of guns for pleasure hunting.
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013/02/11/gun-culture-fails-to-pass-buddhist-muster/
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)I'm not Buddhist, have no desire to be Buddhist, do not recognize Buddhism as inherently superior to the traditional ways of my people.
Is there a point you wish to make?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...Nuhndta Nooch, (Northern Ute) from Ft. Duchesne, Utah. A traditionalist Native.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)We still have a strong warrior ethos. Every able-bodied man should be armed and ready to defend himself, his family, and his people.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Our society and the world would be better off without the warrior ethos.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)But the dominant culture has been trying to dictate to us for 500 years. NATIVE people will decide what is, and what isn't, better for NATIVE people. Your opinion on our traditional values means exactly squat to me.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)We could make this world a better place if all cultures would reject warrior ethos as a "traditional value"
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)last post, let me say it again. You DO NOT have any say in what is, or is not, good for Native people. Am I clear?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)you position per se that's offensive. Rather, it is the idea that someone of the dominant culture once again thinks they know what is best for Native people. Now that's offensive.
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)We didn't call them 'the greatest generation' for nothing. Those were dark days, and a good thing we had 'warriors' of our own.
Being capable of fighting, and fighting well, does not make you a violent person.
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)Amazing little kid who pondered the notion of whether there was such a thing as a "just" war by asking if there such a thing as a "just" peace?
Just because something is peaceful, doesn't necessarily mean that it is good. There is a distinction between being a peaceful person and being a pacifist. I have never raised an offensive violent hand to anyone in my whole life; I have been a powerless victim, and I evolved from that.
I don't think that people should be required to be victims. I don't think people should be required to stand idle with no means to help other people.
"Warrior" does not mean that war/violence is their first and only tool; To think that it is, is incredibly naive... and to the warrior that it is their first response... they're in the wrong business.
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)Too bad they don't at the Potala Palace.... thanks to guns.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Thanks - but I'll pass.
I wonder...W.W.B.S.?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The largest religious group in the U.S. are the Roman Catholics. They don't allow birth control (except rhythm method) nor do they allow abortion.
Thankfully, neither Buddhists nor Catholics get to write our laws based on their religious doctrines.
I get to have guns for both hunting and personal protection, took a girl friend to an abortion clinic 25 years ago, (luckily it was a false alarm, she wasn't pregnant) and had a vasectomy right after that. Hooray for freedom.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...wondering what your point IS.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Those opposed?
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)[img] http://www.religiondispatches.org/images/managed/Story+Image_bhutan.jpg [/img]
The publication of Buddhist Warfare, a book I co-edited with Mark Juergensmeyer, is a bittersweet experience as it marks the culmination of a journey that began with an exploration of the peaceful aspects of Buddhism only to end up chronicling portions of its dark side. This journey, which consumed much of the last six years of my life, began in 2003 when my wife and I spent a little over a year in Thailand. It was then that I began to research Buddhist social activism which was going to be the topic of my dissertation.
Rather than look to archives, I decided to speak with Buddhist monks and nuns on the ground. I interviewed monks protecting the forests from big business and villagers from dangerous pesticides; I met and began to chronicle the activities of the first fully ordained Thai Buddhist nun, Dhammananda Bhikkuni; and I met with Thai Buddhist monastic intellectuals.
Military Monks
Then in January 2004, violent attacks broke out in the southern provinces of Thailand, some of which were directed at Buddhist monks. These attacks and the numerous ones to follow shocked the country. But, since contemporary issues and my research interests seemed to be converging, I thought: what better way to study Buddhist activism than to observe Buddhist monks engaged in peacemaking?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)The author exploits a worst case scenario where Buddhists have employed soldier monks to protect themselves. The armed monks are considered to be making a sacrifice to protect the greater good.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)... some Buddhists in Japan who ate meat and wore leather, but shunned butchers and cobblers because they were "unclean."
Let others soil themselves so that we can remain clean. So very progressive.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)And you tripped over it.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Every time you quote the NRA a kitten dies.
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SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)don't use their arguments.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Water is wet, you, the NRA and I could agree on that.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)property rights.
In fact, one way to shut down an opposition argument is to get some completely unpopular shitbag to vocally endorse your point of view.
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)as committing the violence yourself?
Sounds liberating.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Catholics and Fundamentalist Christians don't like abortion and contraception.
Fundamentalist Jews don't like some things.
Fundamentalist Muslims don't like a lot of things.
The evidence around the world, not just to mention right here in the US, shows what happens when the extremely religious are allowed to impose their will on others. Buddhist are no different. You don't want to own a gun, don't own one. But you are not going to impose your religion on me.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I guess I'll have to think long and hard about my lunch choices too, based on the Buddhist disapproval.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)paternal grandparents would not approve of my coffee drinking among other things. I'm about to pour myself another cup.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Ashgrey77
(236 posts)Considering both forms use weapons and hand to hand combat to defend themselves and their monasteries I fail to see your point.
Clames
(2,038 posts)This room is full of the fucks I give too.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)This is not a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Druid, Wiccan, Animist, Shinto, or any other theist country. As a secular country, I believe the wall separating church and state can never be too high or thick. That said, if you are on that path you obligated yourself to follow it. I haven't.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Just thought I'd share. It's about as relevant to the gun control debate in the US as your OP.