Police say violent intruder into yard fatally shot by resident (Gun Hero)

[jpak]

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/22/5131026/police-say-violent-intruder-into.html#storylink=cpy

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The residents were preparing to drive away from their home, and the husband was unlocking a gate at the end of the driveway.

The older man walked onto their driveway "acting irrationally," police said. The resident told him to leave, and the intruder made comments about getting into their car and began arguing with the resident. The woman was in the car. The intruder walked through the gate onto the property, as the resident kept ordering him to leave. The suspect eventually crossed the street.

The husband continued preparing to leave.

The 50-year-old man turned with a cane in his hand, and "began to unclothe as if to fight and aggressively came toward the resident again," the release said.

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More Gun Heroism!

yup

[CBGLuthier]

1. Ahh in this case the mentally ill person was executed.

Big fucking hero.

[iiibbb]

2. So, tell me what would have happened if he had not shot him?

a) old man apologizes and leaves

b) old man uses blunt object to kill man and wife

c) husband calls police officer, old man uses blunt object to kill man and wife

d) old man reveals he is the father of husband and has been searching for him for years.



Who are you to judge? You weren't there. You don't know what was going on. The police did not arrest the husband so what exactly is the problem here. The older man was committing assault. The only clear crime was committed by the guy who was shot.

[jpak]

3. An old man with dementia that walks with a cane - call the cops

The asshole that killed the old man with a cane was judge, jury AND executioner.

Gun Hero murder apologist fail.

yup

[iiibbb]

4. So what would you do if someone came at you with a bludgeoun?

Speaking as someone who has experience with older people with dementia, you underestimate their capability. So through in the random factor of not knowing the guy or having experience with him...

[jpak]

5. Grab it and throw him to the ground

Like a real man

not a murderous gun nut

yup

[iiibbb]

6. You underestimate the capability of older people.

[jpak]

7. Yeah, they should all be shot on sight

so we can feel good about our guns

yup

[iiibbb]

11. that was an obtuse, hyperbolic post

and as dumb as me saying I can take any 50 yr old because I'm younger... or even if I were to attack a young woman that I would automatically come out on top.

No one is saying shoot old people on sight.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. I know a good few 50-year-olds..

... who would beat you to a bloody pulp with a stick if you tried disarming them hand-to-hand. Passing this guy off as some feeble "old man" is self-serving twaddle.

[jpak]

9. Yeah - that's why the old man walked with cane - kill them all

and let God sort 'em out.

Isn't that a favorite gun nut bumper sticker?

[Eleanors38]

13. Sorry, jpak. Complete failure. Fifty ain't oldk 60+ is old...

Wait til you get there and know the difference.
Wait til you get from behind the keyboard before you go mall ninja.

[jpak]

17. Kill 'em all then - be a Gun Hero!

rah rah



yup

[Eleanors38]

19. OH! you are so-o-o silly.

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. "old man"

You don't get out much, do you?

[Eleanors38]

21. Fifty looks damn good to me!

[Ashgrey77]

24. That is something I would love to see.

"Like a real man".

[wandy]

10. Wonder what I would have done........

Let's see I'm about 10 years past 50 though still in OK shape. I don't currently own a gun but have no problem with them.
Let's say I did own a gun.
A demented person with a cane is making threatening gestures.
My loved one is in the car.
I am holding a (hopeful optimum sized) 2X4.
Do I leave my loved one at risk while I go inside and get the gun?
Or do I use the tools at hand?
Can't never tell what you're going to do until you've been there. But theirs instinct and I have a guess.

Hint: You never want to be on the wrong end of a 2X4 with 190 pounds of pissed off behind it.

[iiibbb]

12. There is no sure-thing in a hand to hand exchange.

Do not underestimate older people... that's all I can tell you. I have a FiL with dementia. He has outbursts. Because I know him I can talk him down. I also have a 3 yr old. He has outbursts. He is physically a handful when he's pissed, irrational, and throwing a tantrum. I can only imagine what my FiL would be like if he ever got violent.

So if I were facing an unknown person with dimentia... I may not shoot him... but I sure as hell will not engage him physically one-on-one.

[wandy]

15. You're right their is no sure thing and......

Underestimating older people may not be a good idea.
Forget that I currently do not own a gun, I think instinct would have driven my reaction. I would have tried the 2X4 first.
I am not giving into the argument that "more people are killed by hammers than by guns".
Still; somewhere between fear, rage and blood lust anything can be a lethal weapon.
It is not the weapon that kills. It is the person behind it.
Trust me on this one as it is from long ago and far away.
You can do great harm with a 2X4.

[iiibbb]

16. I agree with you

I just think the OP is a know-it-all

[jpak]

18. I am

[iiibbb]

22. Not in a good way Yup

[Ashgrey77]

25. Not really. I've watched people break 2x4's over other peoples heads and backs.

All it does it piss the other person off if they know how to fight and do it often. Some people get hit with baseball bats and it doesn't phase them. How strong and fit are you? How much stamina do you have? And how much experience in melee do you have? How far are you willing to go to win the fight? That means more than anything. Hand to hand is quick brutal and extremely dangerous, especially if you are dealing with a unknown assailant. I've watched multiple people over the years sent to the hospital with a quickness with serious injuries because they think they are tough and bit off WAY more than they could chew. And in all those fights, they were over in 30 seconds, with one guy bloody and unconscious on the ground with a ambulance on the way. The best defense is to avoid the situation(leave), and if you can't do that the second best defense is a ranged weapon.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Turn the 2x4 sideways. :)

[ileus]

20. Was he charged?

[jmg257]

23. Hey People!! EASY on all the 'old man' stuff! (I just turned 50!)

I still like to think I could kick a few butts if I needed to!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. I know a traumatic brain injured woman who "walks" with a hammerhead cane -- looks like this --

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She acts irrationally, too and uses her TBI as an "excuse" and...oh, by the way...she is -57- years old.

I don't have enough details to make an informed comment on the above OP.

I am just saying ...