The Bluffdale NSA spy center

[CommonSensePLZ]

Can we get a lawsuit, please, before this gets going? If wiretapping was unconstitutional than this goes way, way beyond that. Sounds like the envy of the KGB.

http://www.newtondailynews.com/2012/04/11/no-hiding-from-national-security-agency/aar9lpw/

[leveymg]

1. Bush issued a Presidential Directive six months before 9/11, and it's still rolling a decade later.

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Unlimited domestic interception, storage and datamining of US person communications and records has been a fact of life, even though it was still technically illegal until the 2008 FISA Amendment - the one that then Senator Obama voted for.

[CommonSensePLZ]

2. the answer

is not apathy, leveymg

[leveymg]

3. Apathy is the last thing I'm advocating. But, people need to know how deeply entrenched these

warrantless domestic spying practices actually are. We won't get the 4th Amendment back by pretending that these abuses don't have a long history, that somehow all this started suddenly on 9/11, or is entirely a response to terrorism, because it isn't. Look at what happened to former NY AG Eliot Spitzer, for instance.

[CommonSensePLZ]

4. Corruption indeed

Not that knowing that the American government is corrupt is news. However, they're now building a gigantic monument to their own evil, nosey ways. Billions of dollars that could've gone into something more positive. Not even, apparently, to be used to spy on possibly inimical other governments. Primarily to be used on common, poor American folk and to say all of it is aimed only at finding terrorists is as absurd as an abstract painting.

The admins at DU don't want to know it but this, the fact that it's Bush and Obama and the fact that it seems no democrats have so much as objected to this goes to show that there's something going on beyond Republicans vs. Democrats and the dems are just as lowdown. I don't intend to get my thread locked, but, really, why are no dems objecting to this unless they approve of it. What affairs associated contemporarily with the democratic party or the freedoms of the Constitution or the Declaration of Human Rights that this country signed and even drafted does such a site as Bluffdale serve aside from moving us toward a police state or some other peculiar future?

[leveymg]

5. The PTB run both parties, and are afraid of rebellion.

That is the reason there is no objection to be heard from anyone (except for a few isolated, vilified dissenters, e.g., Kucinich) to the modern American police state.

Mass surveillance also a huge economic elite in and for itself, that's really accountable to no one but itself, like the Global banks or Big Oil.