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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:41 PM Mar 2014

Terrifying morning.

We are the parents of four furkids. Three Cavalier King Charles Spaniels - Maggi (a 'failed' foster), 9 yo; Dulcinea, 6 yo, Bentley (Bennie), 1.5 yo; and our English Toy Spaniel, Bosley who is a rescue that we think is somewhere around 10-11 yo. About two years ago Bosley was diagnosed with diabetes. It is well controlled and, aside from making sure that he gets his two shots a day on time, we don't think a whole lot about it.

I was awakened this morning by our organic alarm clock, someone scratching at the door wanting to go out. When I stumbled out into the living room, three of the dogs were at the door, but Bosley was just sitting in the middle of the room. This was a little odd. Bosley is normally the late riser, sleeping soundly on the couch until much later in the morning. When I went over to him the lights were on, but seemingly nobody was home. When I petted him and talked to him there was no tail wag (Bosley ALWAYS has a tail wagging!). I tried to get him to stand up, but his back end didn't seem to be working quite right. I lifted him up on the couch and he just sort of collapsed. I offered him a biscuit. No sale. Then I offered him a soft chewie. Still no sale. At this point I was beginning to get scared. Bosley NEVER refuses food!! Finally I tried some honey on a spoon. Bosley has been known to try and eat the spoon when there is honey involved. Still no response. His eyes appeared to be focused, but there was a distinct lack of affect. His breathing seemed to be slow and somewhat labored. I called Liz out to look at him and she agreed that something was seriously wrong. Visions of stroke, heart attack, etc. started running through my head. I called the vet and they said to bring him right in. I had to carry him out to the car. As we raced toward the vet's I wasn't even sure he was going to make it. He was wheezing as he breathed, his eyes were closed, and he was limp in Liz's lap.

We got to the vet and carried him in. About 2 minutes later the tech came out to take us to the exam room. She asked what the problem was and, as she was glancing at his chart, she asked: "He's not diabetic or anything is he?" We told her that yes he was diabetic. I don't think I've ever seen anyone in that office move quite so fast. She turned, opened to door, and called for Dr. Greenfield. And scribbled LO-BG on the chart. The Dr came in with his testing kit. Bosley's sugar was so low that the meter couldn't even read it. They whisked him off and about 10 minutes later came back with Bosley - who was looking, if not all better, at least a whole lot better than he had been.

Then began the Q&A to try and figure out what had happened. We have a very standard routine. He gets two shots of insulin (always the same brand) a day, at 11:30am and again at 11:30pm. He eats dinner at 5:30. With each shot he gets a dent-a-stik to chew while he gets the actual shot, then about 1-2 oz of turkey meatloaf and a large dog cookie, since you are supposed to eat when you take your shot. Nothing had changed with our routine. Bosley had eaten with great appetite last night and had his shot at 11:30. Then Liz mentioned that we had just got a new box of needles and started using them on Tuesday evening. She had been a little concerned, since they were from a different manufacturer than we had been using. Our old needles were 50-unit capacity and the new ones were 20-unit. No big deal, since Bosley only gets 8-units per shot. And, frankly I prefer the 20-unit since the graduations are easier to read. But the insulin sure came up a lot further in the tube in the 20-unit needle. Having worked for 15 years for a company that manufactured 'medical devices', I know how many checks and balances there are and how closely the government watches over it all, so I didn't think anything about the change in size. 8-units is 8-units, whether yo put it in a needle capable of holding 20-units of 50-units, right? Wrong! It turns out that, for reasons known only to some arcane scientist somewhere, there are actually two different sizes of 'unit', one being two and a half times larger than the other. There is the U-100 size and the U-40 size. (Notice that 100 is 2.5x40). Somehow somebody had grabbed the wrong box of needles. The insulin we use uses the U-100 size unit. The needles we got the last time were U-40. Poor Bosley, instead of getting 8 units, he was getting 20 units and had gone into hypoglycemic shock.

Dr. Greenfield had gone to the storeroom and grabbed a box of every type of hypo they had and brought them all into the exam room and asked which one we had gotten last. I showed him and, sure enough, it was U-40 instead of U-100. Ever seen a vet get mad? His exact words were: "Heads are going to roll!". He apologized over and over, he told us this was entirely their mistake, he gave us a box of the correct needles and told us there would be no charge for today's visit or any subsequent follow-up visit that might be needed. He had given Bosley some glucose intravenously, and then a syringe of glucose orally. He gave us two syringes of glucose to take home for 'if needed'. By the time we got out to the car, Bosley was weak but sitting up and trying to figure out how he had ended up in the car, when I suspect the last thing he remembered was going to sleep last night. The vet told us we should try and get him to eat something when we got home. By the time we got home, Bosley wasn't quite ready to walk into the house by himself, so I carried him in and put him on the couch. I then went into the kitchen to fix him some chicken and rice. As I was cutting up the chicken I looked down, and who should I find standing right next to me wagging his tail and hoping that something good was going to be for him but Bosley! He ate a whole (small) bowl of chicken and rice, a square of turkey meatloaf, and a dog cookie, and would have eaten more. He is now sleeping comfortably on the couch next to Liz.

Needless to say, both Liz and I are feeling like a couple of wrung out towels. We were sure we were losing him and we just weren't ready for that. I am not angry at the vet's office. We've been going to them for 15 years and they have always been there for us. Accidents happen and I suspect this type of accident isn't going to happen again, at least not in this office. Our vet immediately accepted responsibility for their error and Bosley is fine. Heck, I've had M.D.'s put me a whole lot closer to checking out (and I am not exaggerating!). We are just so happy that Bosley is OK. Whew!

And, again, for any of you with diabetic dogs, make sure to know whether you are using U-100 or U-40 syringes and always check to make sure you are getting the right kind when you get a new box.

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Terrifying morning. (Original Post) Stonepounder Mar 2014 OP
I have a diabetic cat Sanity Claws Mar 2014 #1
I'm glad he's alsame Mar 2014 #2
Been there, it's really scary. broiles Mar 2014 #3
Our problem was that we just didn't recognize what was happening. Stonepounder Mar 2014 #4
Firstly glad Bosley is now fine PumpkinAle Mar 2014 #5
So glad your little guy will be ok get the red out Mar 2014 #6
Wow! What a scary and exhausting experience. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #7
Lordy shenmue Mar 2014 #8
I am so glad this story had a happy ending. Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #9
We actually keep honey on hand, just in case. Stonepounder Mar 2014 #10
I can relate to Bosley IDemo Mar 2014 #11
In answer to your questions.... Stonepounder Mar 2014 #12
Holy cow, that IS terrifying! TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #13
Here is what I learned yesterday: Stonepounder Mar 2014 #14
Sheesh KC Mar 2014 #15
Turkey meatloaf Stonepounder Mar 2014 #16
That sounds really KC Mar 2014 #17
We have four dogs. 3 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels and Bosley, an English Toy Spaniel. Stonepounder Mar 2014 #18
You have KC Mar 2014 #19
We only use the parchment paper to make cleanup easier. Stonepounder Mar 2014 #20
me too CitizenLeft Mar 2014 #21
Yeah KC Mar 2014 #23
I can't tell KC Mar 2014 #22
Really glad to hear your guy likes is as much as ours. Stonepounder Mar 2014 #24

alsame

(7,784 posts)
2. I'm glad he's
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:01 PM
Mar 2014

okay now.

What a horrible experience it must have been for all of you - if only our furbabies could talk to us and tell us what's wrong with them!

broiles

(1,370 posts)
3. Been there, it's really scary.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:06 PM
Mar 2014

When my Bichon goes into hypoglycemic shock (which happened often when he was first diagnosed till we got the dosage right) we rubbed honey on his gums immediately before driving him to the vet.

We buy the needles and insulin from the druggist who knows our situation well. It's been 2 years since he was diagnosed. He gets his shots 20 min. after eating. When he hears the timer go off he comes in and sits to get his shot.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
4. Our problem was that we just didn't recognize what was happening.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:13 PM
Mar 2014

He had been fine last night, ate his regular dinner. He's like your Bichon, he actually looks forward to his shot because of the treats he gets. He got his shot right on schedule last night and went to bed just fine, so hypoglycemic shock was the last thing on our mind. You probably know that when the diabetes is well controlled you really don't worry about anything except making sure he gets his shots. There have been a couple of minor incidents when he exercised too hard and we gave him some honey, but the only other time we had something like this happen was when we forgot to feed him when we gave him his morning shot and no treats during the day and he collapsed. (Luckily that time we were right outside a vets office.) That time we knew exactly what and why. This time we didn't twig to what was happening.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
7. Wow! What a scary and exhausting experience.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

So glad it had such a happy ending and we all learned something about units.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. I am so glad this story had a happy ending.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:46 PM
Mar 2014

I cannot believe that "units" are not uniform. You learn something new ever day.

My first thought while I was reading this was something that my vet had told me about a diabetic cat....when he had a seizure (which they thought was caused by low blood sugar but could never find the cause), I was to rub Karo syrup on his gums. And from your description of what was happening, that would have been the first thing I would have done. Keep some on hand.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
10. We actually keep honey on hand, just in case.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:48 PM
Mar 2014

But, again, in this case we just didn't twig to him being hypoglycemic. After being completely well-regulated for two years, we just didn't suspect overdosing until we got to the vet and discovered that a 'unit' is not always a 'unit'.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
11. I can relate to Bosley
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:35 PM
Mar 2014

This month marks my 50th year with Type 1 diabetes and I have had my share of speechless, staring moments. Luckily I am able to test multiple times daily and am on an insulin regime that tends to keep things under good control, but there are those occasions.

I'm curious about a couple of things. First, where on a dog is a blood drop generally taken for a glucose test? The pads are the only place that comes to mind and that sounds painful.

Secondly, is it a human insulin that you're using or one from an animal pancreas? You're relying on a relatively short acting type since he gets his injections around mealtime, whether it's Humalog, Regular or another. What made a world of difference in ending the low blood sugars for me was using both a short and long acting insulin; the long acting Lantus to serve as a base level ("basal&quot and rapid acting Humalog immediately before mealtimes to cover the carbs. I don't know if this is something that is normally done with animals but it could prove beneficial.

Over the years, the dogs have always seemed to sense in the middle of the night when I was in trouble and would wake me with a wet nose or a paw.

Glad to see Bosley doing better; it sounds like he's in good hands.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
12. In answer to your questions....
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:38 AM
Mar 2014

Actually, we don't test on a regular basis. Normally the vet draws blood via a hypo from a vein in his chest. I asked the vet about it and he explained that with people you are often needing to tightly regulate blood sugar for 40-50 years or more, whereas in a dog you are only looking at less than 10 years, so old age (or something else) will take them before the not so tightly regulated blood sugar will. (A painful but realistic truth.) Those who do their own testing use the inside of the ear or the inside of the lip. And yes, I suspect that it is painful. We take him to the vet every couple of months for the equivalent of an A1C. We also go if we notice anything that indicates that something is going on with his sugar.

As for the insulin we use Novolin N (Humulin). It says it is 'structurally identical' to insulin produced by the pancreas. It starts working about 90 min after injection and lasts for about 12 hours.

Hope that answers the questions. And yes, we love him dearly and do our absolute best to be good doggy parents.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
13. Holy cow, that IS terrifying!
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 01:13 AM
Mar 2014

I'm so glad that your fur baby is on the mend and so quickly. Thank goodness you were able to get Bosley to the vet in time.

What a crazy and dangerous way to mark these syringes... a "unit" should be the same measure no matter what syringe is used. It's just dangerously confusing and for no reason I can see.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
14. Here is what I learned yesterday:
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 01:23 AM
Mar 2014

1. The term 'units' can mean different things. Make sure that you know what size 'units' you are supposed to be using. The two most common are U-40 and U-100. The number after the U indicates how many units make up a millimeter.

2. The U number is marked on both the box the hypodermic needles come in and on the insulin bottle.

3. The U number on the needles and on the bottle must match. (Both should be U-40 or both should be U-100)

4. U-100 needles normally have an orange cap over the business end, whole U-40 needles have a red cap.

5. If you even suspect that your dog (or cat) is going into hypoglycemia (hypo = low, glycemia = sugar) give him sugar - karyo syrup, maple syrup, honey, etc. If he is unresponsive, smear it on his gums.

6. Get them to the vet NOW! Every vet I have ever come across knows that hypoglycemia is an extreme emergency, but is also totally
treatable. They will drop everything to treat it.

KC

(1,995 posts)
15. Sheesh
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 01:17 PM
Mar 2014

That would have scared me to death!
I'm glad Bosley is starting to feel better!
I'm curious about the turkey meatloaf. I this something y'all make for him and if so I'd like to know more.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
16. Turkey meatloaf
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:52 PM
Mar 2014

We make it ourselves and its very simple:

3# Ground Turkey
6 Eggs
2c Instant Brown Rice (uncooked)
3-4 large carrots, shredded
6 oz broccoli florets

Mix all ingredients together and spread onto a parchment lined 10 x 15 x 1 pan. Bake at 350 for 50 min.

All ingredients can vary. We use a food processor to shred the carrots and buy the broccoli in a microwavable bag. You can substitute vegetables to your heart's content. When the 'meatloaf' cools, cut into squares of convenient size and place in zip-lock freezer bags. With us, one batch lasts about a week. We end up with two 1-gal bags, freeze one and put the other in the refrigerator. For treats we cut a square into small pieces and feet cold. At dinner, 1 heat a couple of squares for 30 seconds in the microwave and crumble them with a fork and stir them into the dry kibble.

The only reason we use 3# of turkey is that's the way it comes so we can use the whole package. Obviously, you can make more of less at a time. It is just an easy and healthy thing to add to their food and to use a treats.

KC

(1,995 posts)
17. That sounds really
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:50 PM
Mar 2014

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good. I think I'm going to start doing that too. Then I won't have to buy canned food for my dog. It's probably healthier and safer too. I imagine they get the necessary vitamins, etc. with the dry kibble? How many dogs do you have? I just have one so just wondering about amount and how long
it would last with one dog.
I'm making out my grocery list for this week.
Thank you !

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
18. We have four dogs. 3 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels and Bosley, an English Toy Spaniel.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 12:42 AM
Mar 2014

However, our daughter lives next door to us and somehow we usually end up feeding her two cavapoos as well. I don't know what size your dog is. Ours range from about 15-25 lbs.

We basically use the kibble as filler and for a few vitamins that just don't show up in the meatloaf. It freezes really well, so you can experiment. We usually keep about 3 days worth in the refrigerator and the rest in the freezer, simply because we can get a full batch into two gallon zip-lock bags, so one in the freezer and one in the refrigerator and with all the dogs a gallon bag lasts us about 3 days.

Let me know how it all works out for you.

KC

(1,995 posts)
19. You have
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:17 AM
Mar 2014

quite a houseful. lol I wish I had the room for more. My dog is a big Miniature Schnauzer. He was supposed to be a Minuature but he's really closer to a standard size. He weighs between
26 to 28 lbs.
I just get so tired of buying canned food
and always making sure it's one of the 'good' ones and he will eat it for as few days and then turn his nose up and just refuses to eat it. Canned Wellness, Blue Buffalo,etc. He nibbles on the kibble so that's good but he'd starve if I only left that out. lol
So anyway, when I saw your post I thought I bet he would gobble that up!
I'm curious why the parchment paper. I've never tried using it but have thought about it.
I'll let you know how it goes!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
20. We only use the parchment paper to make cleanup easier.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

One of our Cavaliers is an older (9 yrs) rescue who has a grain allergy. The nice thing about the turkey meatloaf is that since it is grain free, we can give her a little bit as a treat and not worry.

I'd love to hear how your Schnauzer likes it.

CitizenLeft

(2,791 posts)
21. me too
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:55 PM
Mar 2014

I do the same thing with my 2 girls, ‘cept I mostly use hamburger when I’m broke (when the wallet is “flush,” I mix the hamburger with ground turkey and/or ground chicken). Same with the veggies – broccoli, zucchini, brussels sprouts, carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, brown rice, lentils, dried cranberries, oatmeal, an apple and a pear, ground flaxseed. That, lasts 2 weeks when I freeze half of it. I use Nature’s Variety as filler. When I’m really really broke, I just stick to the bare basics (baked chicken and rice with NV), but when they get the full Monty, we’re all happy.

KC

(1,995 posts)
23. Yeah
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:20 PM
Mar 2014

I was thinking about using maybe adding in little sweet potato but think I might save that to just use as a treat.
It makes me feel good just seeing him eat. I never thought he was a picky eater until maybe the last 6 or 8 months and
noticed he would go a day or two without eating any of his canned food, no matter which variety I used. Wellness, Blue Buffalo, etc
and he would nibble on his kibble. I was just tired of him not eating, plus spending all that money on food he wouldn't even eat.
We're both happy now lol

KC

(1,995 posts)
22. I can't tell
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:14 PM
Mar 2014

you how long it's been since my dog actually jumped up and down when fixing his dinner! Never that I can remember lol
He absolutely loves this (his) turkey meatloaf! It comes out pretty thin in thickness so the squares aren't a whole lot but
I think maybe that's better so he'll be more apt to eat some more of the dry kibble.
I was getting his square out for his dinner tonight and he actually tried to grab it! haha
I also bought some ground chicken to use sometime, just for a change.
This is so easy to make and use, so thank you so much!


Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
24. Really glad to hear your guy likes is as much as ours.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:29 PM
Mar 2014


We use the ground turkey because around here it is cheaper than ground beef.
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