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Breeders and those who support them: (Original Post) roody Dec 2013 OP
Would one year really be enough? nt narnian60 Dec 2013 #1
It would give us a breather. nt roody Dec 2013 #3
Too bad that will never happen. Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #2
Amen. ginnyinWI Dec 2013 #4
I also wish... ginnyinWI Dec 2013 #5
+ a million narnian60 Dec 2013 #6
Thank you for being brave enough to post this! hamsterjill Dec 2013 #7
Sorry but no TorchTheWitch Dec 2013 #8
^This exactly. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #14
I agree get the red out Jan 2014 #17
I direct you to this... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #9
I had a wonderful sheltie/corgi mix for roody Jan 2014 #10
Jessie is the heart of our household. I cannot imagine what my ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #11
A shelter dog will fill that position just roody Jan 2014 #12
Nope. Sorry, but I'd drive 5 and half hours through a blizzard all over again. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #13
Oh that rescue were extinct. roody Jan 2014 #15
I agree completely with that. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #16
Oh I LOVE Shelties get the red out Jan 2014 #18

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. Too bad that will never happen.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:15 PM
Dec 2013

I cannot understand all those "reasons" why breeders do it. If you truly loved animals, you would worry about the stress you put on the populations. And I also cannot comprehend why people support these breeders.....so many wonderful animals in need of homes who don't have the luxury of time.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
5. I also wish...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:16 AM
Dec 2013

that more people would consider adopting an adult cat. I think many people assume that they are in the shelter because there is something physically or behaviorally wrong with them, but it isn't true. People think they should start "fresh" with a kitten. Well, there are a few risks with that too: you don't know what kind of adult cat they are going to grow into. With an adult, what you see is what you get.

If you want a young one, there are plenty of one and two year olds at shelters.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
7. Thank you for being brave enough to post this!
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:45 PM
Dec 2013

Here! Here!!!

As you elude here, I myself (as a cat rescuer) have heard it all from breeders, too. And it's all complete and utter nonsense.

What really gets me, however, are the people who will spend money to buy a dog/cat from a breeder and won't even consider going to a rescue or shelter. Most of those same people think nothing of spending $300 for a purebred animal, but then won't spend even $25 yearly to take the animal to the vet for an exam and advisable vaccinations.

It's a math problem when you get right down to it. There are too many animals and not enough homes. So ANYONE who is adding to the numbers in existence is adding to the problem.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
8. Sorry but no
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:20 PM
Dec 2013

No one should be stopping good respected breeders from continuing to breed as they breed for health and temperament. Without these good respected breeders we would not have been able to eliminate what used to be common ailments such as hip dysplasia nor would puppies and kittens be getting off on the right start with proper knowledgeable care in their first weeks of life. After watching so many puppy videos of all kinds of dogs on YouTube for hours on end (I just can't help myself. LOL!) I'm disgusted by so much backyard breeding by incompetent ignorant people that allow the mother dog and pups to loll around in filth or without any towels or blankets nor a proper whelping box at all.

I'm all for getting rid of indiscriminate breeding. I don't believe just because you own a dog or a cat you should have the right to breed it, and just as the good respected breeders contract with every pup that it be spayed or neutered when they are old enough and require proof (vet bill receipt) that it was done or reserve the right to take the pup back without a refund so should everyone else have to contract in such away when acquiring a cat or dog.

Shelters are stuffed with cats and dogs, and cities and towns have abundant strays because far too many people don't take pet ownership seriously and because of indiscriminate breeding. There needs to be far more strict laws concerning pet ownership and serious penalties for non-compliance. When our local governments don't take pet ownership seriously we can hardly expect that anything will improve.

I have seen one improvement in the couple of decades though at least in my general area... no more pet stores that sell cats and dogs. When I was a kid there was one in every mall. I can't even remember how long it's been since I've seen a pet store that sells dogs and cats anywhere in Philly or the suburbs.

We also need to stop breeding certain breeds that have health problems due to their breed standard... dogs with stubby legs, squished in snouts or pop eyes have to go, and it's WAY passed time that the AKC recognized these physical standards as the unhealthy deformities that they are.


get the red out

(13,467 posts)
17. I agree
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Our companion is a dog we got as a puppy from the local shelter, she's a great dog! But putting an end to dog breeding, if that were even possible, wouldn't get people to adopt a dog from the shelter. People are always going to want dogs that are bred for specific purposes, I am around a lot of these folks now that I have gotten involved with dog agility. They aren't bad folks, they want specific traits in the animal companion they intend to spend the next decade and a half with. The vast majority of these people spay and neuter their pets unless they are experienced breeders or show for confirmation along with dog sports.

I concur that not taking pet ownership seriously is the worst problem we have, along with backyard breeders who are just looking for the almighty dollar. Hearts get broken by these bad breeders when the Whatever-doodle becomes sick and maybe doesn't make it, worse than the money lost by far, I'm sure. It makes me sick to see people throw their animal companions to the wayside because a baby was born, or even new carpet was purchased. I talk to people regularly who will remark on my dog being well trained and obedient but when I try to tell them about the trainer I worked with and how to get in touch with her their eyes glaze over and they repeat phrases like "but my dog won't....." and those aren't the worst pet owners at all, since their untrained dog is still in their home! People expect pets to train themselves somehow, and the worst offenders take the 6 month old pup or kitten to the nearest kill shelter and walk away.

Then there are the people who breed pit bulls for obscene purposes. And also from what I read pits are overflowing a lot of shelters because their owners, for whatever reason, are the least likely to spay or neuter. Sad. They don't deserve to just be born to die. And everyone isn't prepared to fill the needs of a large, strong Terrier. It isn't always prejudice or fear of "the breed", every type of dog just isn't for every type of home, and having a huge overabundance of one land-race of dogs in shelters is very bad news for the dogs. Not everyone would want my Border Collie mix either, but she's right for me and my husband.

There are so many parts that make up this problem. I wish there would be a huge push to take pet ownership seriously, accompanied by federal laws against animal abuse that have TEETH. And the AKC needs to get real and admit that a number of breeds have been physically destroyed through breeding to extremes. Maybe do like the British are doing and make each dog entering dog shows get cleared by a Vet at the show. Weed out some of the extremes when extremes don't lead to coveted championships.

roody

(10,849 posts)
10. I had a wonderful sheltie/corgi mix for
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

a decade or so, adopted from a shelter. She never let me out of her sight. Always on duty.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
11. Jessie is the heart of our household. I cannot imagine what my
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jan 2014

life would have been like without her. I would do it again without hesitation.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
13. Nope. Sorry, but I'd drive 5 and half hours through a blizzard all over again.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jan 2014

Responsible breeding, responsible ownership and rescue can live together in harmony. Please remember the reason for this forum.

I say "nope," on edit, because no dog will/would ever be able to replace this amazing girl.

Thank you.

get the red out

(13,467 posts)
18. Oh I LOVE Shelties
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jan 2014

What a beauty! I've always wanted a Sheltie, from the time I was a kid. Finally ended up with a dog as an adult and she is a herder, a BC mix. If my husband and I could ever sell our place, which we are trying to do, and get more space it wouldn't break my heart to end up with a boy Sheltie or Sheltie mix to go with our Layla.

They are sweeties!

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