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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:04 PM Feb 2012

Need help. I tried to reconstitute dried beans. I covered them with water and boiled for 3 min.

Then put them in the refrigerator for overnight. They came out hard. I have been boiling them now for a couple of hours and they still havent softened up. What am I doing wrong, or do they get old?

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Need help. I tried to reconstitute dried beans. I covered them with water and boiled for 3 min. (Original Post) rhett o rick Feb 2012 OP
Most beans have to be pre-soaked--usually overnight. Kidney beans are actually toxic if you don't.. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #1
They are navy beans. I did pre-soak overnight. How long is "pretty long"? Roughly? nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #3
well, 8-10 hours in a crock pot on low... or... hlthe2b Feb 2012 #7
I think they are only toxic if they are not cooked at all-- digonswine Feb 2012 #6
yes... uncooked or undercooked. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #8
I have used some pretty old beans NEOhiodemocrat Feb 2012 #2
How long did you cook them? nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #4
I cook them from 4-6 hours at least after their overnight soak NEOhiodemocrat Feb 2012 #16
If you salted the water either time, they won't soften. NT Nay Feb 2012 #5
I've never salted them before hand but had no idea that would happen maddezmom Feb 2012 #13
Beans that wouldn't cook yellerpup Feb 2012 #17
Why the refrigerator? surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #10
I do an overnight soak, then drain, more water and a 1 hour boil/simmer. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2012 #11
That happens to me, but I live slightly over a mile up Warpy Feb 2012 #12
I've had old beans not cook properly noamnety Feb 2012 #14
i think that was my problem. I cooked them for 4 hours and they arent bad. Still not the best rhett o rick Feb 2012 #15
2 ways: 1) soak overnight (at least 15 hours); 2) quick soak (below) HopeHoops Feb 2012 #18
How old are the beans? And what kind are they? Retrograde Feb 2012 #19
Thanks everyone for the help. The beans were edible but not the best. I believe the problem rhett o rick Feb 2012 #20
I soak at room temp. They aren't going to spoil (yes, I do have a degree in microbiology). kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #21
Thanks for the tip. Will old dry beans ever soften? Even in a crock pot? rhett o rick Mar 2012 #22

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
1. Most beans have to be pre-soaked--usually overnight. Kidney beans are actually toxic if you don't..
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:07 PM
Feb 2012

Then you have to cook for a pretty long time unless you use a pressure cooker. I fix pinto beans with ham soup in the crock pot and it takes 10 hours. If I used a pressure cooker (which I don't happen to own currently), I still think it would take 2 1/2 to 3 hours.

What kind of beans?

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
7. well, 8-10 hours in a crock pot on low... or...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:45 PM
Feb 2012

probably 4-5 hours on the stove (but boy, you;d have to keep an eye on them) on medium-high long enough to bring to rousing boil and then turn down to medium, keeping an eye they don't boil over.

digonswine

(1,485 posts)
6. I think they are only toxic if they are not cooked at all--
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:45 PM
Feb 2012

I did not think pre-soaking has much to with it.

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
8. yes... uncooked or undercooked.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:49 PM
Feb 2012

Phytohaemagglutinin, also called kidney bean lectin, kidney beans contain the highest toxin levels. Cooked beans also contain the toxin, but in much lower and harmless levels. Soaking and cooking the beans destroys enough of the toxin so that symptoms do not occur.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/409651-danger-of-raw-red-kidney-beans/#ixzz1nifrGCjH

(canned kidney beans are ok without further cooking).

NEOhiodemocrat

(912 posts)
2. I have used some pretty old beans
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:25 PM
Feb 2012

What I do is put the dry beans in bowl on the counter overnight with a lot of water. In the morning the beans have soaked up much of the water and softened up. Then I cook them. Don't know if putting them in the frig would change the dynamics of the soaking. I have heard of the pre boil step, but I never used it. Hope you figure out the problem.

NEOhiodemocrat

(912 posts)
16. I cook them from 4-6 hours at least after their overnight soak
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 09:15 AM
Feb 2012

I am genererally cooking dried Lima beans though

yellerpup

(12,254 posts)
17. Beans that wouldn't cook
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 09:39 AM
Feb 2012

only happened to me once and that was because the beans were old. I knew they'd been in the back of the cabinet for a few years and didn't think it would make a difference. It does. Sorry you had to go to all that trouble an end up with inedible.

Response to rhett o rick (Original post)

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
12. That happens to me, but I live slightly over a mile up
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:03 PM
Feb 2012

and have found that putting unsoaked beans into the crock pot for 12-15 hours is the only way they ever get done unless I pressure cook them.

Some people say that salting them before cooking them makes them come out hard. I say fooey on that, not cooking them long enough makes them hard.

Just hang in there. They do get done eventually.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
14. I've had old beans not cook properly
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:11 PM
Feb 2012

They were admittedly several years old. I'm fine with cooking dried beans in general, it's not like I'm new to it. But I had one batch that I cooked for several days in a crockpot in an effort to soften them, then froze them because I heard that can help break the cells down, then recooked, and nope - still hard. Not hard like pebbles, but they weren't ever going to get soft.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. i think that was my problem. I cooked them for 4 hours and they arent bad. Still not the best
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:33 PM
Feb 2012

but it's time to eat. I made a soup with kale and beans. I am also serving a Greek Salad for the first time. Hard to find great Feta.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
18. 2 ways: 1) soak overnight (at least 15 hours); 2) quick soak (below)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:13 AM
Feb 2012

Quick soak: Put in cold water. Bring to a boil, boil at full for about 5 minutes, cover, turn off the heat and leave at LEAST an hour. More is better.

Either way, you can still expect at least an hour of cooking time. Split peas and lentils don't require soaking.

Retrograde

(10,156 posts)
19. How old are the beans? And what kind are they?
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Feb 2012

Even ones I know are fresh - like the ones I grew - take about an hour to cook after soaking for at least 8 hours. When I make a bean dish I usually start at least a day in advance. I haven't noticed salt making much of a difference: I don't generally salt them, but last week I made some using a stock that included leftovers from meat that had been brined and they took about an hour to cook after soaking, as usual. The only time I've had problems were with some scarlet runner beans of unknown vintage I found lurking in the back of a cupboard.

The good news: cooked beans freeze well, so you can make a big batch, go through the time-consuming parts once, and then defrost as needed.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. Thanks everyone for the help. The beans were edible but not the best. I believe the problem
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:44 PM
Feb 2012

was age of the beans and/or me.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
21. I soak at room temp. They aren't going to spoil (yes, I do have a degree in microbiology).
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 09:18 PM
Mar 2012

Soaking in a cold environment like the fridge is going to slow down the whole process.

And if the beans are really old it makes them nearly impossible to soften up. I have some pinto beans that are about 10 years old and they need many hours in the crockpot.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Thanks for the tip. Will old dry beans ever soften? Even in a crock pot?
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
Mar 2012

I boiled these beans (a couple of years old) for about 4 hours and they still werent soft.

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