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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:10 PM Nov 2012

Looking for your proven success with roast turkey secrets!

I've got a 12 lb Whole Foods bird, it is thawed, in the fridge. I don't want to brine it, and I don't want to deep fry it....and we don't stuff ours (stuffing is done separately).

So - right side up or upside down? Or start one way then flip? Oven temp on entry and throughout? Cover or not cover? Oil or butter or salt or season the skin or not? Baste or not baste?

We plan to roast it tomorrow to make the big day easier - so also looking for the best way to reheat turkey (will put the whole roast bird in the fridge and cut the meat off to reheat on Thurs).

thanks....there are so many ways - ours always comes out good enough, but I am hoping if you share what you do that works great, I can pick up some must-do hints!

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Looking for your proven success with roast turkey secrets! (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 OP
since you refuse to brine Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #1
An unbrined bird is like an unexamined life you Philistine OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #2
Lynn Roseti-Casper on Splendid Table suggested the breast side down first, then turn up to finish northoftheborder Nov 2012 #27
Martha Stewart recommends cheesecloth and lots of butter grasswire Nov 2012 #3
oh, and it's true about resting time grasswire Nov 2012 #4
I use an oven bag. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2012 #5
This is what my mom does Lex Nov 2012 #18
Exactly! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2012 #22
oven bags mercuryblues Nov 2012 #30
I cook mine in the beer can tradition The empressof all Nov 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Nov 2012 #7
Seconded! noamnety Nov 2012 #8
You want to break the keel--use a meat tenderizer, or your elbow. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #10
Hmmm, I think I need sleep. noamnety Nov 2012 #11
That's pretty damn funny! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #21
I've done the spatchcock method...it works. I lay the turkey on onion and lemon slices, msanthrope Nov 2012 #9
Late to this. I'm brining a breast-only as we speak... Robb Nov 2012 #17
I'm with you Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #19
Yes--you just want to get it as flat as possible. I find I don't really use foil with this method msanthrope Nov 2012 #20
Just wanted to say thanks! Robb Nov 2012 #26
Awesome!!!! I had a great Thanksgiving, too!! My brother deep fried the turkey, msanthrope Nov 2012 #28
Its the initial flattening Aerows Nov 2012 #25
Make certain it's thawed and then cook it! greatauntoftriplets Nov 2012 #12
Brining *is* my secret. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #13
Mine is in the brine right now Major Nikon Nov 2012 #15
Soaking of any type Aerows Nov 2012 #24
We do breast up w/ celery, apple, onions and herbs stuffed in the cavity. woodsprite Nov 2012 #14
if you don't need a show piece for the table and don't care about crispy skin Kali Nov 2012 #16
I'm cooking Cornish hens tomorrow Aerows Nov 2012 #23
I use stuffing under the skin to insulate and slow down the breast Thor_MN Nov 2012 #29

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
1. since you refuse to brine
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:22 PM
Nov 2012

you heathen..

Breast side up, with 1/4 cup softened salted butter slipped between skin and breast.
2 lemons and 2 oranges, quarter and squeeze juice over the whole bird, stuff the empty rinds into the cavity of the bird. seal with tinfoil (the bags work, but less crispy stuff. I like the crispy stuff for gravy.)

325degrees for 3-4 hours, till the meat is about to slide off the bone. rest 20 min before uncovering and carving.

It won't be the prettiest bird, but it will taste great. to be divine, you would have to brine it

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
2. An unbrined bird is like an unexamined life you Philistine
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:59 PM
Nov 2012

Fortunately, it's yours to choose, however, breast side down for half the cooking time so the juices flow that way for awhile, then flip it to finish.

I always slip a combination of butter and herbs between the skin and the meat. Epicurious has lots of ideas for what exactly. The fruit salad above sounds good and I always throw a shot of brandy in the cavity in the mistaken idea that it helps to insure death to any microbial thingies in there. It probably doesn't really do anything but I've been doing it for decades now so it is at least partly tradition.

Oh, yeah, baste a lot and tent if necessary.

When all is said and done, soak a pkg of dried white beans overnight. In the meantime, boil the Turky carcass until all the meat falls off, strain out the bones and use the stock the nezt day to make white bean soup. Yummers!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. Martha Stewart recommends cheesecloth and lots of butter
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

...over the breast. Remove toward the end to brown. I don't think anyone recommends basting any more. It lowers the oven temp every time.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. oh, and it's true about resting time
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:43 PM
Nov 2012

Letting your hot bird rest for half an hour, tented, will make a huge difference in succulence.

Rhiannon12866

(205,430 posts)
5. I use an oven bag.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:24 PM
Nov 2012

Maybe that's not acceptable to true cooks, but it's always worked for me and it's awfully easy. Celery and onions on the bottom, butter on the bird and some flour in the bag and that's it. And I do stuff the bird, my mother's recipe for giblet dressing, wouldn't be a holiday without it.

After hearing all kinds of horror stories about dry Thanksgiving turkeys, I was a little anxious when I was about to do it myself for the first time, mentioned it to my doctor and that's what she suggested. Works for chicken, too!

http://www.reynoldsovenbags.com/

Lex

(34,108 posts)
18. This is what my mom does
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

and I do it too. Despite what people think, the bird does get browned. It is a no-fail way to make sure the bird is moist.



Rhiannon12866

(205,430 posts)
22. Exactly!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:43 PM
Nov 2012

Since I do stuff the bird, it's not always easy to remove from the bag, LOL, but it really is a fool proof way to end up with a moist turkey. Don't know how I'd manage without it...

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
6. I cook mine in the beer can tradition
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nov 2012

I have a vertical roaster that will hold up to 15 lb bird though mine is your size this year. I fill the well with white wine, juiced onion, thyme, pepper, salt and a bit of sage.

I then shove some small pieces of bacon under the skin.

I stick it on the thingie and let it do it's thing.

You may be able to recreate this with one of those huge tall can's of beer. You can drink the beer and fill the can with whatever.

The bird is always moist and juicy and the gravy from the drippings is delish and no need to baste or brine.

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
8. Seconded!
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

Normally I stuff my turkey but if you are going unstuffed, spatchcocking is the way to go, to avoid dry white meat while you wait for the dark meat to cook.

I have a hard time flattening it - I've resorted to wrapping the turkey in a large plastic bag and jumping up and down on it while grabbing onto the counter so I don't land on my ass. (Do that part when nobody's watching.)

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
11. Hmmm, I think I need sleep.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:00 PM
Nov 2012

I looked at that for a while, wondering how in the world sprinkling meat tenderizer on it would help.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. I've done the spatchcock method...it works. I lay the turkey on onion and lemon slices,
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:47 PM
Nov 2012

and it soaks up grease and gives good flavor.

Break the keel, it's easier.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
17. Late to this. I'm brining a breast-only as we speak...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
Nov 2012

...this spatchcocking intrigues me greatly. I expect I can do it still with only the breast? Maybe a bit of foil?

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
19. I'm with you
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:51 PM
Nov 2012

Since it's just going to be me, my wife, and our youngest son, we are going with a turkey breast. It is brining as I write.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. Yes--you just want to get it as flat as possible. I find I don't really use foil with this method
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nov 2012

because the bird cooks so evenly....with a whole bird I also pop the joints at the wings and thighs, so I can tuck the tips under.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
26. Just wanted to say thanks!
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nov 2012

Epic bird in record time, I snuck a small hill of stuffing underneath and put the flat bird on a rack a half inch over -- many happy drippings, many fans.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
28. Awesome!!!! I had a great Thanksgiving, too!! My brother deep fried the turkey,
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:01 AM
Nov 2012

I made a sausage stuffing and whipped sweet potatoes, other people brought stuff---it was fun!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. Its the initial flattening
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

that makes it retain moisture no matter what you baste it with. God that sounds good I'm doing Cornish Hens, but that sounds like turkey to die for!

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
12. Make certain it's thawed and then cook it!
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:51 PM
Nov 2012


Seriously, I am not certain how my family's is going to be cooked. We are invited to the triplets' house, but their oven is on the fritz. The repairman has been called and set up several appointments, then not shown up. They're hoping he shows tomorrow.

We'd move the venue, but there will be too many people for anyone else's house. We may instead get dinner from the restaurant where the triplets' father is the chef.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. Mine is in the brine right now
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:43 AM
Nov 2012

Tomorrow night it will be smoked and I'll finish it off in the oven on Thursday.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. Soaking of any type
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nov 2012

You can brine, or you can buttermilk. I have some delicious little Cornish hens soaking. Your bird must be moist - flatten it, then soak and it will be juicy and delicious.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
14. We do breast up w/ celery, apple, onions and herbs stuffed in the cavity.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:17 PM
Nov 2012

Oh, don't forget the butter massage, sprinkled afterwards with salt and pepper.

I miss my Mom. We would get to laughing sooooo hard over massaging the darned turkey for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Giddy is a good way to put it, but then again, we put the turkey a 23lb turkey in the oven about 3am and by 7am everyone was waking up hungry. We always had a thanksgiving luncheon rather than a late dinner.

Kali

(55,011 posts)
16. if you don't need a show piece for the table and don't care about crispy skin
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:00 AM
Nov 2012

roast breast down, covered, at 325 until meat falls off the bone. you won't really be able to slice it either but it will be tender and juicy and such good eating.

if you need it to look a little better and slice neatly roast breast down for at least the first half and then turn it over to finish. baste a time or two just to get some of the grease on the skin to crisp it up, but not often.

microwave is good for reheating or wrap in foil and bake

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
29. I use stuffing under the skin to insulate and slow down the breast
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:24 PM
Nov 2012

I use the apple maple butter recipe from allrecipes.com, but I substitute in some cranberry juice for some of the apple cider. My challenge is in getting a done bird to my sister's house 40 minutes away. Roasting pan cover goes on as soon as I pull the turkey from the oven, into a waiting nest of blankets in the trunk of the car and off I go. Turkey is well rested by the time I get there.

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