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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:16 AM Aug 2012

Anyone here familiar with the medical condition called DIVERTICULITIS?

I had my first bout with it Monday night into Tuesday. I thought I was gonna die. After CT scans I was told that was what was causing the pain.

I understand now I'll need to change the way I eat.

I've been looking for diets, but they all seem so bland.

Help?

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Anyone here familiar with the medical condition called DIVERTICULITIS? (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 OP
Neighbor has it Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #1
A lot of GI docs are recommending a high fiber diet Warpy Aug 2012 #2
I've had it. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #3
Peace. No one is on my ignore list and I'm VERY thankful for your reply. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #4
Apologies right back at you. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #5
I'll definitely take your advice. It's a lot to digest though (pun intended!), all the opposing cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #6
Around here we call it "C&B effect." eridani Aug 2012 #7
I'm sorry eridani. I didn't mean to do that. It just sort of happened. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #11
I haven't had a problem with corn GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #10
I can eat spicy/hot foods with no problems Lucinda Aug 2012 #8
In the early 90's Worried senior Aug 2012 #9
No nuts or seeds or corn. Beans, mashed. Chew your food very well. msanthrope Aug 2012 #12

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
2. A lot of GI docs are recommending a high fiber diet
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:39 AM
Aug 2012

once you are over an acute flareup. However, for the short term you'll be stuck with clear liquids followed by a low residue diet of white rice, white flour, cooked veggies, peeled potatoes and fruit, and meat or fish. Your own doctor will give you guidelines on this stuff and how far and how fast to advance your diet.

Everybody is different and you'll soon realize what you can tolerate and what you can't. In general, sweet corn is a really bad idea (refer: corn shit) and some people have problems with nuts and seeds. Experimentation will tell you what you can handle.

The time to run back to the doctor is when you're having a flareup and can't keep clear liquids like broth or Jello down.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
3. I've had it.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:40 AM
Aug 2012

On edit: someone needs to cut and paste this into another reply. cherokeeprogressive and I got into an awful tangle over the whole Aurora gun thing and I'm pretty sure I'm on his ignore list. I'm not going to get along with him any time soon but I still want to help out anyway.

It's the result of a lifetime of low-fiber diet. Without the fiber assist, more pressure has to build up in the colon to push stool on through, and outpockets form from the colon. This is called diverticulosis. Diverticulitis happens when one of these outpockets gets inflamed and infected from a blockage. The biggest problem with treating diverticulitis is that it's hard to get antibiotics to the area to fight the infection.

I was in the hospital twice with it 3 summers ago. I actually had a small perforation in my colon - and barely escaped major surgery to remove about 7 inches from my colon. I was in the hospital for 5 days, then went on a course of antibiotics. I ran a fever after the antibiotics were done. My gastroenterologist put me right back on the same antibiotic, not listening when I told him I thought that I would be back in the hospital because surely all the bacteria in there were resistant to that antibiotic. Sure enough, several days later, severe pain and high fever and I was back in the hospital for a second time. During one of those visits, a gas bubble hit the perforation. It felt like someone had taken a piece of steel rebar and jammed it straight through me below my navel. Astonishing, intense pain. I'd had an MRI just before it and a nurse who saw it said that I'd been through natural childbirth level pain. It made me want to kiss the feet of every woman on the planet in pure respect.

Unfortunately, if you've had a pretty severe case, you're going to get repeated flareups from lymphatic tissue in that region called Peyer's patches. It'll feel like a particularly bad gas pain and then go away. The biggest thing you have to watch for is fever. Stress can trigger inflammation, so watch for the fever. I know it's hard to not want to go straight to the ER but you're going to have to distinguish between an inflammation and an infection. They do feel different and I had a false alarm and had an expensive ER trip for nothing once.

Many doctors will tell you that you have to avoid nuts and popcorn. Some will tell you that you need a high fiber diet. Some will tell you that you need a low fiber diet. It's really confusing, and I can only tell you what's worked for me. I've got a biology background, and I figured that the beneficial bacteria that normally inhabit the colon would have their own mechanisms for eliminating competitors for their environment, including pathogens.

This is going to sound gross, but if you're developing diverticulitis, your stool has a very characteristic smell. If you've got pain in the same area, you've got to give the toilet paper a sniff. I've had that happen several times in the past 3 years. I keep a couple of boxes of Lactobacillus acidophilus (beneficial bacteria) capsules on hand at all times, and when I get the pain and that odor, I immediately take a couple of capsules along with milk (that bacterium loves milk). Alternatively, you can eat a bunch of yogurt, but I hate yogurt, so I just take the bacteria capsules. I haven't varied my fiber intake, and I've had nuts and popcorn repeatedly. Only occasional flareups, and not correlated with nuts/popcorn. The main thing is the beneficial bacteria - taking 2 capsules has never failed to resolve the pain/odor. Now I just take the capsules a couple of times a week and I don't even get the flareups.

I have no idea whether this would work for you. I do know it's worked for me, and my explanation is that the beneficial bacteria kill off the pathogens, the inflammation goes away with the pathogens, and the blockage of the diverticulum probably resolves with the next 2 or 3 stool passages.

Hope this helps.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
4. Peace. No one is on my ignore list and I'm VERY thankful for your reply.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:48 AM
Aug 2012

I gots a hard head and once I get some idea stuck in it it's like a steel trap. Apologies for the dust-up, sincere ones.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
5. Apologies right back at you.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:57 AM
Aug 2012

I conducted myself shamefully with you, and I do hope it helps. Feel free to send me a private message if you have any concerns or questions about this, too.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
6. I'll definitely take your advice. It's a lot to digest though (pun intended!), all the opposing
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:13 AM
Aug 2012

viewpoints.

How are you with corn on the cob? I'll die if I can't ever eat that again.

Glad we buried the hatchet. We stand on different sides of a very divisive issue and it's easy to step over the line. Again, I apologize. FWIW, I'm slowly softening on the whole big picture and have come to a conclusion: More gun laws? Term limits. You will never get one without the other. Term limits is something I can really get behind and I'd compromise my stance on RKBA somewhat in exchange.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
7. Around here we call it "C&B effect."
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:51 AM
Aug 2012

No one in this group has much of a clue of who the regulars favored in the 2008 or 2004 primaries. And if they did, no one else would be able to tell.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
11. I'm sorry eridani. I didn't mean to do that. It just sort of happened.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:32 PM
Aug 2012

Of course I didn't intend for my thread to turn political and will cease and desist with any and all political discourse in the Cooking & Baking forum. I understand it to be a safe place and any discussion of anything but cooking and diet was purely incidental.

Again, I'm sorry.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
10. I haven't had a problem with corn
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:27 PM
Aug 2012

Like on the digest joke. It might not be a bad idea to have one of the capsules the day you're eating corn on the cob. The thing is, everyone's different on this because the diverticuli happen in different places in the colon, and the colon goes up, then right, then down on its passage. My problem spot is at the sigmoid area, which means that with a big enough perforation, I'd have to wear a colostomy bag after they chopped 7 inches or so out of the colon. But I've had corn - hell, I've had everything. I've been told the very worst thing is popcorn, and I've eaten quite a bit of that.

The best preventative measures for someone who eats as shitty as I do are:

1) metamucil or some other soluble fiber daily - I hate veggies and this gets it over with quickly. If you like something like celery that's super packed with fiber, go for snacking on that, I guess

2) beneficial bacteria capsules a couple of times a week

3) don't binge eat - if you put a huge amount of food in all at once, you increase changes of a diverticula blockage

Otherwise, I eat whatever I want, whenever I want. Corn, popcorn, nuts, everything included.

I'm glad we buried the hatchet, too. I'm really glad I had the opportunity to do something for you after being such a jerk. I hate making enemies, and one thing I do on here too often that I just don't do at all in real life is take things too far, I suppose because I don't have to see their face or hear their voice. I really don't like hurting peoples' feelings. I also agree on term limits but probably shouldn't go any further than that about politics in the cooking and baking group.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
8. I can eat spicy/hot foods with no problems
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:53 AM
Aug 2012

and immediately move to soft foods and lot of liquids if I start feeling any stomach discomfort. We try to avoid letting it get to the point that I might need antibiotics...so i stay flexible, and try to vary what I eat.

I actually avoid most breads now but do use flour tortillas every day. They seem to help keep things stable for me.

My doc said not to worry about nuts and seeds, but they DO cause me discomfort, especially if I overdo them, so I eat them rarely and chew like crazy if I do. Dairy creates a lot of trouble for me, so that is an occasional choice, and raw veggies were a problem in the beginning.

I suggest keeping a record of what you eat, and note any foods that seem to cause discomfort.
The goal is usually to work up to a high fiber diet with plenty of liquids S L O W L Y...and then to go to soft foods and low residue if you get a flare up.

I know how painful that must have been. I actually ruptured my colon before I even knew I had the disease, so it's a plus that you found out and can work to keep it in check.

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Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
9. In the early 90's
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:56 PM
Aug 2012

I had severe diarrhea, finally had a barium xray and procto. Dx was diverticulitis but I've never experienced what others have mentioned.

I do occasionally have pain but again nothing like explained above. I take Metamucil, that helps some. I have taken probiotics but didn't care for the way I felt after.

I am not sure I actually have diverticulitis or IBS. It never seems to change or get better.

I know a lot of people suffer with some type of bowel disorder so I live with it.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. No nuts or seeds or corn. Beans, mashed. Chew your food very well.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:25 PM
Aug 2012

Start with your bland diet.

Then, add a spicy or flavorful food you have been missing. Did it give you an attack? No? Goes on your list of things you can eat. Keep doing this but add FIBER, FIBER, FIBER. Seed your cukes, eggplant, etc. Peanut butter, but not peanuts might be okay.


Lots of water.

Good luck and get better!.

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