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drokhole

(1,230 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:07 PM Sep 2012

The drugs don't work: a modern medical scandal

The drugs don't work: a modern medical scandal by Ben Goldacre
source: The Guardian

(snip)

Sometimes trials are flawed by design. You can compare your new drug with something you know to be rubbish – an existing drug at an inadequate dose, perhaps, or a placebo sugar pill that does almost nothing. You can choose your patients very carefully, so they are more likely to get better on your treatment. You can peek at the results halfway through, and stop your trial early if they look good. But after all these methodological quirks comes one very simple insult to the integrity of the data. Sometimes, drug companies conduct lots of trials, and when they see that the results are unflattering, they simply fail to publish them.

Because researchers are free to bury any result they please, patients are exposed to harm on a staggering scale throughout the whole of medicine. Doctors can have no idea about the true effects of the treatments they give. Does this drug really work best, or have I simply been deprived of half the data? No one can tell. Is this expensive drug worth the money, or has the data simply been massaged? No one can tell. Will this drug kill patients? Is there any evidence that it's dangerous? No one can tell. This is a bizarre situation to arise in medicine, a discipline in which everything is supposed to be based on evidence.

And this data is withheld from everyone in medicine, from top to bottom. Nice, for example, is the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, created by the British government to conduct careful, unbiased summaries of all the evidence on new treatments. It is unable either to identify or to access data on a drug's effectiveness that's been withheld by researchers or companies: Nice has no more legal right to that data than you or I do, even though it is making decisions about effectiveness, and cost-effectiveness, on behalf of the NHS, for millions of people.

In any sensible world, when researchers are conducting trials on a new tablet for a drug company, for example, we'd expect universal contracts, making it clear that all researchers are obliged to publish their results, and that industry sponsors – which have a huge interest in positive results – must have no control over the data. But, despite everything we know about industry-funded research being systematically biased, this does not happen. In fact, the opposite is true: it is entirely normal for researchers and academics conducting industry-funded trials to sign contracts subjecting them to gagging clauses that forbid them to publish, discuss or analyse data from their trials without the permission of the funder.

(snip)

more at the link


There's a lot more, and the entire article is worth the read. Here's Ben Goldacre (the article's author) giving an excellent TEDMED talk on the same subject (it does an adequate job of summing up his findings, if you don't have the time to read the article):



And two more recent in-depth articles to consider, both from this past month in the Journal Sentinel:

What happened to the poster children of OxyContin?
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/what-happened-to-the-poster-children-of-oxycontin-r65r0lo-169056206.html|

Report: US health care system wastes $750 billion a year
http://www.jsonline.com/news/usandworld/national/report-us-health-care-system-wastes-750b-a-year647ed6ad22f54c9c90393036c03bb5da.html

Edit to add: Just one more particularly maddening excerpt from the article:

When GlaxoSmithKline applied for a marketing authorisation in children for paroxetine, an extraordinary situation came to light, triggering the longest investigation in the history of UK drugs regulation. Between 1994 and 2002, GSK conducted nine trials of paroxetine in children. The first two failed to show any benefit, but the company made no attempt to inform anyone of this by changing the "drug label" that is sent to all doctors and patients. In fact, after these trials were completed, an internal company management document stated: "It would be commercially unacceptable to include a statement that efficacy had not been demonstrated, as this would undermine the profile of paroxetine." In the year after this secret internal memo, 32,000 prescriptions were issued to children for paroxetine in the UK alone: so, while the company knew the drug didn't work in children, it was in no hurry to tell doctors that, despite knowing that large numbers of children were taking it. More trials were conducted over the coming years – nine in total – and none showed that the drug was effective at treating depression in children.

It gets much worse than that. These children weren't simply receiving a drug that the company knew to be ineffective for them; they were also being exposed to side-effects. This should be self-evident, since any effective treatment will have some side-effects, and doctors factor this in, alongside the benefits (which in this case were nonexistent). But nobody knew how bad these side-effects were, because the company didn't tell doctors, or patients, or even the regulator about the worrying safety data from its trials. This was because of a loophole: you have to tell the regulator only about side-effects reported in studies looking at the specific uses for which the drug has a marketing authorisation. Because the use of paroxetine in children was "off-label", GSK had no legal obligation to tell anyone about what it had found.


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MH1

(17,600 posts)
2. The OxyContin link doesn't fit with the thread title, I think
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
Sep 2012

Nothing in the article suggests that oxycontin "doesn't work". The issue is the side-effects. One HUGE side-effect being addiction. Which doesn't affect everyone equally.

There is a real concern about restricting availability of effective pain-killers to those who need them, when those restrictions are based on protecting an unknown segment of the population who can't handle them. That topic warrants a whole separate discussion. But I don't think it fits with the concept of drugs that "don't work", because opiates generally DO work very well for pain. (Try telling someone with severe chronic pain to live on Alleve. Yeah, that'll work. NOT. And large quantities of every OTC pain killer have their own side effects.) On the other hand, it is definitely a good example of the pharma industry obscuring potential issues with its products.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Opiates are great medicines. And not just for pain.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:11 PM
Sep 2012

Very cheap and effective for a variety of ailments.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
4. Thank you drokhole
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:32 PM
Sep 2012

We have spend generations building these trusted institutions, filled with countless hard working honest people--it is so sad to see them get betrayed. These institutions are nothing without ethical standards. The science they are built on is worth --nothing-- if it is corrupted.

'Research Misconduct' is a mild way of putting it--these people have blood on their hands. They are losing the public trust--which no amount of money can buy.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
6. Prescription drugs are poison.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:50 PM
Sep 2012

Luckily for me, my doctor lets me use what works for me. Borderline high blood pressure? Niacin keeps it down. Cholesterol creeping up? Garlic. For ALMOST every medical problem, there's a natural way to treat it. The only thing I have to take is thyroid meds. Haven't found the natural answer for that. The way i look at it is: If man made it, don't trust it. Stick with mother nature if you can.

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
7. If you haven't tried it already, you might want to look into avoiding grains...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:56 PM
Sep 2012

...particularly wheat. Not saying it's a 100% fail-safe miracle-solution, but wheat consumption has been found to disrupt healthy thyroid activity (regardless of whether one has full-blown celiac disease or not):

The gluten-thyroid connection

And, on a broader health-scale, this ties into that modern wheat thread on the DU Health board. The author's book itself is worth checking out.

Also, another big one to maybe avoid is soy. Fermented soy products might be fine (miso, tempeh, natto, and some soy sauces), but unfermented soy products can have nasty effects on the body - particularly the thyroid. Here's a recent debate from the HuffPo that condenses and distills arguments from both sides:

Soy: Healthy Or Harmful?

Again, not saying this will completely solve the issue or definitely knock you off your thyroid meds, but they might be worth trying or looking into (that is, if you haven't already). Sometimes, it's not what you add to your diet, it's what you eliminate (or any combination thereof).

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
12. Thank you, I didn't know about the gluten connection (how'd I miss that?).
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
Sep 2012

I quit soy and soy products years ago. I'll check out your links when I have more time. Thank you again.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
10. Irrational and false.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:38 PM
Sep 2012

the active compound in St. John's wort is an SSRI, it works just like Prozac or Paxil. If Paxil does not work then neither does St. John's wort.

Additionally, a lot of medications are just synthesized versions of natural compounds. Aspirin is Aspirin whether it comes from willow bark or it is synthetic.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
11. I wish SSRIs worked like that
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:48 AM
Sep 2012

None of them are interchangeable. Would that they were. Anyone who needs to take an SSRI, usually has to play a long game of Russian Roulette before finding a combination that works with the most tolerable side effects. So, I can't necessarily benefit from what you learned about your body and the SSRI that worked for you.

You are correct that St. John's Wort is an SSRI, but that information alone won't get many very far.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
13. Ah, I guess 'synthetic' is supposed to be a good thing?
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:57 PM
Sep 2012

That's where I think the biggest problem is. Messing around with things to make them 'better' isn't a guarantee that it will. Do you think GMO's are alright too?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
14. We've been messing around with things to make them better since we lived in caves.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Sep 2012

The wheat your bread is made from is the product of 11,000 years of genetic engineering, it's totally different from it's wild ancestor that grows in the hills of SE Turkey. Corn is completely different compared to it's ancestor, the Mexican grass teosinte.

the insulin diabetics use comes from GMO E. coli.

And GMO crops themselves are not the problem, it's how they are being used (so Monsanto can sell more nasty glyphosate to be dumped on the crops) that is the problem.

One cannot be human without making anything "artificial".

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
9. Uh, I take Paroxitene (Paxil) and it stopped my panic attacks completely.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:30 PM
Sep 2012

I've taken it since I was 15. When I tried to go off Paxil, the panic attacks came back, even after the period of withdraw symptoms passed, so I went back on it.

And it ain't the placebo effect because I tried Zoloft before I went on Paxil and it didn't do much.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
15. It's entirely possible that paroxetine is ineffective for most while working well for you.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:18 PM
Sep 2012

I'm one of those people who tend to get weird side effects from all sorts of meds, which makes me very aware of how individualized people's responses to drugs can be.

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