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sl8

(13,851 posts)
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 06:59 AM Oct 2023

Why BMI is flawed -- and how to redefine obesity

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03143-x


NEWS FEATURE
11 October 2023

Why BMI is flawed — and how to redefine obesity

The main diagnostic test for obesity — the body mass index — accounts for only height and weight, leaving out a slew of factors that influence body fat and health.

McKenzie Prillaman

[...]

BMI, which is calculated by dividing weight by height squared, has been used for several decades as an international standard to determine healthy weights. It serves as a proxy for body fat, and higher numbers can indicate increased risk for metabolic disease and death.

But BMI does not measure body fat, and it also ignores factors that affect how healthy someone is at a given weight, including age, sex and race. Not everyone with a high BMI has poor health or a raised risk of death1–3.

That’s why there is a small but growing movement to go beyond BMI when diagnosing and treating obesity, which the World Health Organization (WHO) recognizes as a chronic disease. In June, the American Medical Association (AMA) called for more weight-related metrics to be used in conjunction with BMI owing to its imperfections and questionable history.

But, with global rates of obesity having tripled over the past 50 years, and a wave of cutting-edge weight-loss drugs now hitting the market, a high BMI still reigns as the main criterion for obesity treatment. Specialists worry that the surging demand for the drugs will exacerbate reliance on BMI as a solo diagnostic tool.

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Why BMI is flawed -- and how to redefine obesity (Original Post) sl8 Oct 2023 OP
Why complicate something that is uncomplicated and an accurate measure in most cases? Doodley Oct 2023 #1
Your waist circumference should not exceed your height Alpeduez21 Oct 2023 #4
+1 agree. All the bmi tells me is I'm too short :)..nt mitch96 Oct 2023 #13
There was a slide show created for a national conference I attended a few years back showing hlthe2b Oct 2023 #2
They know they don't need to lose weight, so it really doesn't matter. For the people in which Doodley Oct 2023 #3
But the medical staff and insurance companies will look at the Alpeduez21 Oct 2023 #5
Yes, they DO hlthe2b Oct 2023 #11
I think medical professionals are smarter than that. Doodley Oct 2023 #15
Not in my case NickB79 Oct 2023 #21
Read the article. Similar problems are developing for monitoring those on Ozempic/Wygovy hlthe2b Oct 2023 #8
BMI basically tells you if somebody is overweight or underweight, taking into account height. Doodley Oct 2023 #16
Read the science on it. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #18
So weighing somebody (and obviously taking height into account) isn't a good way of seeing if Doodley Oct 2023 #19
Yup, if you go by BMI Brady and Gronk are over weight...HA!! nt mitch96 Oct 2023 #14
And people in that elite group are a fraction of a percent of the population NickB79 Oct 2023 #20
I call it the Bullshit Medical Indicator. Alpeduez21 Oct 2023 #6
Yes. It was created for population assessment and has some utility there. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #9
But I assume your doctor wants to know the weight of his patients. That is a basic when Doodley Oct 2023 #17
This has been a right wing talking point for years. njhoneybadger Oct 2023 #7
I beg to differ. It is position of the medical community at large to replace or at least supplement hlthe2b Oct 2023 #10
Makes a lot of sense to me. Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #12

Alpeduez21

(1,754 posts)
4. Your waist circumference should not exceed your height
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 07:53 AM
Oct 2023

Last edited Wed Oct 11, 2023, 08:39 AM - Edit history (1)

simple and more accurate.

Correction ‘1/2’ your height

hlthe2b

(102,328 posts)
2. There was a slide show created for a national conference I attended a few years back showing
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 07:09 AM
Oct 2023

the countless numbers of the most elite (and muscular) athletes, which BMI as a measure incorrectly records as obese or even "morbidly obese" given the failure to account for lean muscle mass. While the point could have been made in a few slides, it went on for some time in a ludicrous bit of mockery. A change in metric is long overdue.

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
3. They know they don't need to lose weight, so it really doesn't matter. For the people in which
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 07:36 AM
Oct 2023

it does matter, can you think of a more effective measure?

Alpeduez21

(1,754 posts)
5. But the medical staff and insurance companies will look at the
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 07:55 AM
Oct 2023

and act in accordance with the number listed regardless of other mitigating factors.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
21. Not in my case
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:57 AM
Oct 2023

I'm a BMI of 27-28, technically overweight, but it's because I have muscle.

So when I failed my BMI for my work's annual health screening assessment, it then asked for waist circumference. That passed, so no insurance issues.

If you're failing both BMI and waist circumference, that's a bad situation.

hlthe2b

(102,328 posts)
8. Read the article. Similar problems are developing for monitoring those on Ozempic/Wygovy
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 08:03 AM
Oct 2023

Not to mention the fact that the overly simplistic measure doesn't work for a significant percentage of the population renders it sufficiently unreliable to require us to look at alternatives or at least additional measurements. Even simple waist circumference (v hip measurement) affords more consistent and useful data.

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
16. BMI basically tells you if somebody is overweight or underweight, taking into account height.
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 10:00 PM
Oct 2023

Yes, it won't be accurate in all cases, and doctors are smart enough to know if their patient is an athlete and has more muscle weight than most people.

hlthe2b

(102,328 posts)
18. Read the science on it.
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 10:09 PM
Oct 2023

It is the weakest measure that has ever been used to address obesity in the individual. As was explained on this thread previously, it was created as a population-based (cohort) assessment where it has some utility.

Even waist to hip measurements are more valid.

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
19. So weighing somebody (and obviously taking height into account) isn't a good way of seeing if
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 10:39 PM
Oct 2023

somebody is a healthy weight?

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
20. And people in that elite group are a fraction of a percent of the population
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:51 AM
Oct 2023

We will likely never have an easy to use system that accurately assesses every person in a population. There will always be outliers.

The BMI scale has some discrepancies in the overweight category, where muscular individuals can hit as overweight. I know; I'm in that group. So, waist circumference can be used instead, and is in fact already a better method overall.

But once you pass a BMI of 30, into obese range, no amount of adjustments to the measurement methods change that. If there are people hoping a new method of measurement will suddenly tell them their weight isn't actually a problem after all, they'll be sadly disappointed with this new system.

Alpeduez21

(1,754 posts)
6. I call it the Bullshit Medical Indicator.
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 08:01 AM
Oct 2023

My doctor has stopped using it in discussions with me. The problem with it is it was created as a means of statistical analysis of populations. It was never intended to be a medical diagnosis. A mathematician came up with it and, well, here we are.

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
17. But I assume your doctor wants to know the weight of his patients. That is a basic when
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 10:06 PM
Oct 2023

delivering healthcare. Now, knowing the weight of patients only becomes useful when factoring in height. I don't see anything wrong in that.

hlthe2b

(102,328 posts)
10. I beg to differ. It is position of the medical community at large to replace or at least supplement
Wed Oct 11, 2023, 08:06 AM
Oct 2023

with additional measures including waist:hip circumference where lean body mass % is not practical/measurable.

I am not a RW meme, but I am a medical professional, so STOP IT!

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