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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:17 PM Oct 2022

How Black Death Survivors Gave Their Descendants An Edge During Pandemics: NPR

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- NPR, October 19, 2022. - When the bubonic plague arrived in London in 1348, the disease devastated the city. So many people died, so quickly, that the city's cemeteries filled up. - Ed.

"So the king [Edward III], at the time, bought this piece of land and started digging it," says geneticist Luis Barreiro at the University of Chicago. This cemetery, called East Smithfield, became a mass grave, where more than 700 people were buried together. "There's basically layers and layers of bodies one on top of each other," he says. The city shut down the cemetery when the outbreak ended. In the end, this bubonic plague, known as the Black Death, likely killed 30 to 50% of people in parts of Europe and the United Kingdom.

That's a mortality rate that's at least 200 times higher than the one estimated for COVID, Barreiro points out.

"We all think that COVID-19 was insane and completely changed the world and our societies," Barreiro says. "COVID has a mortality rate of about 0.05% – something like that. Now try to project – if it's even possible – a scenario where 30 to 50% of the population dies." Now a new study, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, shows that the Black Death altered more than society: It also likely altered the evolution of the European people's genome.

In the study, he and his colleagues found that Black Death survivors in London and Denmark had an edge in their genes – mutations that helped protect against the plague pathogen, Yersinia pestis. Survivors passed those mutations onto their descendants, and many Europeans still carry those mutations today. But that edge comes at a cost: It increases a person's risk of autoimmune diseases. "The exact same genetic variant that we find to be protective against Yersinia pestis is associated with an increased risk for Crohn's disease today," Barreiro says.

The study demonstrates how past pandemics could prepare the human immune system to survive future pandemics."The evolution is faster and stronger than anything we've seen before in the human genome," says evolutionary biologist David Enard at the Univ. of Arizona, who wasn't involved in the study. "It's really a big deal. It shows what's possible [for humans], in terms of adaptation in response to many different pathogens." In the study, Barreiro & his team set out to answer a simple question: Did the Londoners, who survived the Black Death, carry a mutation – or even mutations – in their genome that protected them from the disease?

But to answer that question, they had to do something that almost sounds like wizardry: They had to extract DNA from people who died of the plague 700 years ago...

- Read More, https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/10/19/1129965424/how-black-death-survivors-gave-their-descendants-an-edge-during-pandemics


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How Black Death Survivors Gave Their Descendants An Edge During Pandemics: NPR (Original Post) appalachiablue Oct 2022 OP
That is fascinating. A bunch of auto-immune disease run in my mom's side and while I don't Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #1
Lucky you & your cousin. Wow 99% English, Hail Britannia! We have a few appalachiablue Oct 2022 #2
Interesting ... European ancestry. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #3
Good for you, stay well! appalachiablue Oct 2022 #5
Amazing! NH Ethylene Oct 2022 #6
Add 20 years as a teacher to my story. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #10
I think there is! NH Ethylene Oct 2022 #11
So this is what gave me the mutated gene slightlv Oct 2022 #4
My husband - an Irishman - has fibromyalgia and it kicks his butt. NH Ethylene Oct 2022 #7
With the cold snap we got, this week has been slightlv Oct 2022 #8
It's definitely a racket and letting you go without is inexcusable. NH Ethylene Oct 2022 #9

Maraya1969

(22,480 posts)
1. That is fascinating. A bunch of auto-immune disease run in my mom's side and while I don't
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:39 PM
Oct 2022

know about all the others me and my cousin have spoken about how we don't get the flu. I don't even remember ever having a high temperature. I did get Covid and it was like a mild cold and then swollen joints afterward but I didn't have any "flu" type symptoms.

And when I had my DNA done over 99% of my ancestors are from England.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
2. Lucky you & your cousin. Wow 99% English, Hail Britannia! We have a few
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:07 PM
Oct 2022

relatives w autoimmune- Rheum. Arthritis late, Crohn's, and one who can catch cold anywhere in the world but is otherwise strong.

The Swine Flu shot in '76 almost got me, knocked out for 3 days, but I haven't been too bothered by basic flu, colds, etc.

I'll take R.A. and Crohns over the Black Death any day. Hallelujah! 🎃

3Hotdogs

(12,381 posts)
3. Interesting ... European ancestry.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:30 PM
Oct 2022

I never came down with flu. 80 years old.


--- took flu shots, only four times in my life.

NH Ethylene

(30,811 posts)
6. Amazing!
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 08:25 PM
Oct 2022

I had various viruses and mild illnesses that I called flues during my 20s and 30s, and had the 'real' flu once. Now I very rarely get a cold or other viral sickness even though exposed constantly as a teacher. I've never had a flu shot.

Maybe I should thank the Bubonic Plague. I am 3/4 English, 1/4 Scottish.

3Hotdogs

(12,381 posts)
10. Add 20 years as a teacher to my story.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:45 PM
Oct 2022

There must be something to it.

However, my paternal grandfather died of the 1918 "Spanish" flu.

Come to think on it, my kids and grandkids don't get sick, either.

slightlv

(2,801 posts)
4. So this is what gave me the mutated gene
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 12:53 AM
Oct 2022

that somehow got kicked into high gear and gave me lupus and fibro? Great... now, if they could only come up with a real cure, instead of just (barely) managing the symptoms month by month. Especially since many of these meds can't be used if you're pregnant or think you might be in the future. Not to mention that getting our pain meds for many of these conditions is getting harder and harder, and more expensive.

NH Ethylene

(30,811 posts)
7. My husband - an Irishman - has fibromyalgia and it kicks his butt.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 08:31 PM
Oct 2022

I can't imagine having lupus as well! My sympathies to you.

slightlv

(2,801 posts)
8. With the cold snap we got, this week has been
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:02 PM
Oct 2022

especially bad. Yesterday, I was in bed for nearly 24 hours straight. Today, I feel like crap, and just apologized to my husband for being an uncivil bear to him.

I'm going to have a hard talk with my rheumatologist when I see him in two weeks. I was down with some kind of bug during my last appointment. Called to cancel a day in advance, like they want. Asked to have my meds called in to the pharmacy. Assured me they would be. Next day? No meds. I called the pharmacy to have them contact the doc. Upshot -- I've been an entire month without my meds. Cold snap and no meds? I'm not worth being around! If this is going to be the way it is with this doc, I'm going to have to find another one who's not so "come in and get your script or else"... especially when the next available appt is a month in the future. Can you tell I'm more than a little p'o'ed about having to do this whole month without meds? And these aren't even opioids! In other words, there's no excuse as far as I'm concerned.

I'm also planning on informing my primary care doc about the situation I've been through. Maybe she'll be a backup for the script. I end up having to see her every 3 months, too.

I swear, this whole meds thing is a racket anymore. You can't have more than 3 months worth of script for anything, and then you have to come in and get the scripts renewed. So, not only do you have to have the money for the scripts, but every three months you have to copay a doc in order to get the scripts. What makes it worse is I have to travel to each one of these docs 45 minutes one way -- one to the north of me, and one to the south of me. At my age, the drive, itself, is getting harder and harder to do. At least with my pain meds, I can do a televisit for one of the office visits. The rheumatologist isn't that "up to date"... most of the time, I can't even pay my copay because their computer isn't working, and their website doesn't have any way to pay online.

Like I said, I'm in pretty bad shape right now.. and it's probably showing in my irate rambling, too. Sorry... my sympathies to your hubby. My Grandmother, btw, came over from Ireland as a child. When she married, she married an American Indian. When I get mad, everyone just gets out of my way! (LOL)

NH Ethylene

(30,811 posts)
9. It's definitely a racket and letting you go without is inexcusable.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:30 PM
Oct 2022

Is there any way you can drop the specialist and just have your pcp continue the protocol?

Best of luck getting through the next 2 weeks. I hope your doctor is apologetic when you see him. This should not happen!

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