ron paul, what exactly IS an "honest rape"?

[niyad]

Ron Paul, What Exactly Is An “Honest Rape?”

by Jessica Pieklo
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I guess I would start by asking Paul to follow-up on just what exactly constitutes an “honest” rape. What kind of evidence would we need to show a lack of consent? Does a woman need to have signs she resisted? How much resistance counts before a rape goes from being “fraudulent” to being “honest”? Can spousal rape ever be “honest”? What about other forms of familial rape? What exactly is the bright line here?

Assuming we get some clarity from Paul on the parameters of “honest” rape, I’ve got a few logistical questions also. I’m assuming part of the investigation into whether or not a rape was “honest” would include an exam to collect evidence to support or negate the claim– a rape kit. We will need to have this evidence processed and processed QUICKLY in order to make sure we get that shot of estrogen in time. In order for that to happen, I’m assuming Paul is going to make sure that local law enforcement is fully funded and staffed to process those rape kits. How will this expansion of law enforcement be funded? And what about those women who don’t live in close proximity to a hospital or clinic? Do we have law enforcement come to them with doctors?

About that shot of estrogen. What exactly is this shot of estrogen supposed to do? Paul is purportedly an ob/gyn, so he must know a shot of estrogen won’t do a thing to prevent fertilization and implantation. So what’s that shot for?

I’m not sure what is the most dangerous aspect to come from Paul’s statements here: that is platform is built on a criminal disdain of women or as a doctor he doesn’t know his ear from his elbow

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/ron-paul-what-exactly-is-an-honest-rap.html#ixzz1lWRFYXjL

[mistertrickster]

1. Hmmm . . . if you pitted his misogyny against his racism,

which one would win?

We should be sending this man money for a third-party run . . . Obama couldn't lose then.

[niyad]

2. that may be a great idea, but this fool won't get a dime of my money

[MisterP]

15. he's had like 6 Presidential elections to run in, and never has

his revolutionary posturing is just that--in fact, it's the new politics: a laissez-faire or corporatist millionaire sets up a personality cult where the world is black and white and the Leader is the source of all good; charisma and loyalty are important, not actual policy

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

3. "I’ve got a few logistical questions also."

First, you should have a few logical ones. "Honest:" true, accurate, literal, factual, genuine, sincere, real.

Right or wrong?

[cate94]

24. did you read the article?

Because you sound like you are defending Paul. I wonder if you can tell us exactly how you determine what is an "honest rape". Since there are very few "dishonest" rapes -when a woman says she has been raped why wouldn't you assume it was true? Paul's statement sounds like he has the shoe on the wrong foot. I believe it is about 1-2% of the cases a reported rape was not in fact a rape. So why bring it up? It is as though a woman should be found to have not lied about her rape first- which is completely back assward.

"Honest rape"? The phrase itself shows his misogyny.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

26. I Read Everything, On Which I Express My Opinion.

And upon concluding the first sentence, I knew that I was reading the words of a dishonest and mean-spirited writer. And I would sound like I was defending Mr. Doe, if he was being trampled by the stumbling of the same "shoes on the wrong feet."

when a woman says she has been raped why wouldn't you assume it was true?

I preponderate to not assume anything without a preponderance of incontrovertible evidence. The legal maxim, "innocent, until judged guilty, by one's peers," is a basic principle of common law; and it remains with us today.

In the not so distant past, I enjoyed a very close relationship with an eclectic and delightful lady who was director of a local Planned Parenthood center. On occasions, she exhibited a wicked sense of humor in her admonition of pro-lifers; however, she was not capable of wishing harm on another human being.

[cate94]

27. Paul's statements

were in regard to treating a woman for rape- not prosecuting her accuser.

Your statement suggests that the woman has to wait for appropriate treatment until she proves she was raped She is not the guilty party here. She is a victim. Do you understand the difference? Please reread the first and second paragraph of the article, I don't think you understood what was said. Should she wait for a rape kit to be processed? LOL, that sometimes literally takes years!

Put another way, if you have been assaulted- say punched in the nose- should we determine whether you really were assaulted to treat you? Was this an honest assault? Perhaps you weren't punched in the nose, maybe you just tripped! Do we need a preponderance of proof to treat you?

As for the wish for harm- that was not in the OP- but someone else's response.

[enough]

4. It really does sound wierd. Almost as if honest rape is what REAL men do.

None of this skulking around with raping your dates and acquaintances. Just go out there and grab one by the hair.

[niyad]

5. you are right about that--but I cannot see any of those gutless media types asking him exactly

what he means.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

6. "asking him exactly what he means."

One would have to assume that he means, what he articulated.

[niyad]

10. since most of us have never heard the term, "honest rape", nor is there such a legal term, one is,

naturally, curious as to what acts that term refers to in his pitiful little woman-hating mind.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

11. He is a doctor, not an attorney.

From a legal perspective, it either true or false.

An allegation must be supported with incontrovertible evidence; to be considered true.

A few synonyms for honest are included in another post. It is not possible to translate honest into the other connotations that have been presented.

[niyad]

12. and as a doctor, he is an idiot--a "shot of estrogen" acoomplishes nothing.

those of us who are not attorneys still know there is no such legal category as "honest rape", so that charming excuse does not wash.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

13. I am not a doctor and my ignorance was fully in display a few weeks ago

with respect to "seaweed tents." However, if understand correctly, estrogen, will prevent pregnancy from occurring--it is a component of birth control pills.

Your rash declaration of idiocy, demonstrates that one need not worry too much about corporate media bias. For there an abundance of non-corporate media bias as well. The human vocabulary is under assault from all directions.

Most birth control pills contain two types of hormones—estrogen and progestin. Birth control pills work by preventing the release of eggs from the ovaries (ovulation) and changing the cervical mucus and the lining of the uterus to prevent pregnancy.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601050.html

[niyad]

14. right, we call this man on his repeatedly demonstrated idiocy, but we are called rash.

that's okay, we all understand completely.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

16. I am sure you do.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

7. I am curious...would it be possible for you to guide me through the process

that was employed to translate "honest rape," into: Just go out there and grab one by the hair. ??

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. yes. i can. honest rape seems to state that there is dishonest rape

or rape that is less than rape. i assume that this is the difference between stranger rape and acquaintance/date rape in ron pauls lingo. typically when misogynists talk about rape they seem to make a huge difference between stranger rape and acquaintance rape.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

19. No, you cannot.

"Honest rape seems to state that there is dishonest rape or rape that is less than rape"

Honest does not seem to state anything. Honest, in the given context, means true.

"i assume that this is the difference between stranger rape and acquaintance/date rape in ron pauls lingo."

Your assumption is your problem; those who value words understand their meanings.

"typically when misogynists talk about rape they seem to make a huge difference between stranger rape and acquaintance rape."

I do not know what is typical about misogyny, or what they seem to make huge differences about. I do not give much consideration to reasoning processes affected by malware. I will step aside, and allow you to "seem".

As any women whose obstetrician was Dr. Paul will tell you, it would be impossible to exaggerate the magnitude of value, of happy mother on election day.

Trained in obstetrics and gynecology, Paul then began his own private practice.[12] As a physician, Paul routinely lowered fees or worked for free...Gammage underestimated Paul's popularity among local mothers: "I had real difficulty down in Brazoria County, where he practiced, because he'd delivered half the babies in the county.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

[seabeyond]

32. when a man has a discussion about rape of women, as a national policy, dont you think it behooves

him to be clear and if clarification is needed, to provide it.

there is a large section of our society that feels the only "true" rape is stranger behind the bushes, rape.

running for office and making policy for women, this is on pauls should to be clear.

he was not

he failed

it makes no sense you defending him and blaiming women when they ASK for clarity.

[roguevalley]

8. i hope he finds out personally so he can clarify his remarks

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

9. Irrational viciousness... (Hoping for the best, with a hollow eeriness)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i think you are a misogynists pretending to be rational.

when someone chooses to judge rape victims, its not irrational to want them to walk a mile in a victims shoe. in fact it maybe the most rational statement

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

20. You think not--you pretend.

It is not possible for a rational and humane individual to wish evil on another human being.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. its perfectly possible. nt

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

22. That is your problem.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. your problem is you are determined to see a republican misogynistic scum

as innocent, when he is clearly not.

[cate94]

25. I think you got that right!

And I ask myself, why?
Why would anyone defend Ron Paul?
Especially when it comes to this shitbag of fail.

"Honest rape"? Are you kidding me?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. elad nuked. nt

[cate94]

29. ?

The "shitbag of fail" was referring to Ron Paul's statement.
I'm not sure what else could be taken as offensive.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. elad nuked thaddeus kosciuszko for being a paulite

thats what i was trying to say

[cate94]

31. Awesome!

Thanks!