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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:11 AM Nov 2012

Would Gay Voters Really Fall for a Pro-Marriage Equality GOP?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171160/would-gay-voters-really-fall-pro-marriage-equality-gop

A few hours after watching this tearjerking ad run by the Maine marriage equality campaign—in which an elderly man, arm around his gay granddaughter, says “It takes a lot of bravery to be a lesbian”—I read an oddly deflating Slate piece about how the gay marriage battles in Minnesota, Maryland, Maine and Washington (yes, all four) were won. Spoiler: it’s not because a majority of voters in those states witnessed a particularly persuasive kiss-in at the local mall. Instead:

For decades, gay advocates had framed their arguments in terms of equal rights and government benefits, often using rhetoric that was confrontational (“We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”) and demanding (“We deserve equal rights now!”). Third Way, a centrist think tank working in the coalition with Freedom To Marry, began to unpack exactly how straight people reacted to such tactics. The group found that when straight people were asked what marriage meant to them, they spoke of love, commitment and responsibility. But when asked why they thought gay people wanted to marry, they cited rights and benefits. Tapping into anti-gay stereotypes, they suggested gay people wanted marriage for selfish reasons while they themselves wanted to express love and commitment.

So this time around, the pro–marriage equality contingent emphasized ““love, commitment, family,” with no mention of rights or benefits.” In response to research finding that parents worried about ceding control over their children’s values education to schools, the Maine campaign created an ad in which a teacher and her husband reassert that “No law is going to change the core values we teach our kids here at home.”

Why was this so disappointing to read? Election Day seemed to herald the arrival of a new America—Liberal America, as Ben Smith and Zeke Miller deemed it. Not only was Obama back in office, but Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Baldwin were going to Washington! Californians voted to raise taxes! Marylanders voted for a state DREAM Act! Here, though, was an indication that support for marriage equality dovetailed uncomfortably with appeals to conservative values.
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Would Gay Voters Really Fall for a Pro-Marriage Equality GOP? (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2012 OP
I support gay marriage because lalalu Nov 2012 #1
Thats a great reason for supporting marriage equality. William769 Nov 2012 #2
thanks for your support dlwickham Nov 2012 #3
So you're asking what does the GOP stand for. marginlized Nov 2012 #4
"I don't understand why a lot of gay people are Christian" lalalu Nov 2012 #5
I don't understand why anyone is, to be honest, gay or not. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #6
Ditto. Frequently if not always. Fearless Nov 2012 #10
A better question: Would Republicans ever advocate for Marriage Equality? marginlized Nov 2012 #7
I definitely saw a lot of this Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #8
The Republicans who are actually serious about small government MNBrewer Nov 2012 #9
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
1. I support gay marriage because
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:20 AM
Nov 2012

gay people should go through the same bureaucracy and misery as straight people. Forget all the other nonsense.

Gay people should also have to put up and commit. No more "gee, I would marry you but the law..." Straight guys would love to have that excuse but they don't

marginlized

(357 posts)
4. So you're asking what does the GOP stand for.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nov 2012

If Republicans return to their fiscal conservative roots and drop the social engineering rhetoric, there's nothing to keep gays and lesbians from joining them. Many would. Personally, I don't understand why a lot of gay people are Christian, but I'm usually the only atheist at the dinner party.

As long as Republicans want to criminalize homosexuality, as they stated in the Texas party's 2010 platform, they'll tend to alienate people.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
5. "I don't understand why a lot of gay people are Christian"
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012

I have had that same argument with some gay people I know who go to church regularly. They just tell me I am going to hell

Seriously they tell me they find comfort in going to church. I don't get it.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
6. I don't understand why anyone is, to be honest, gay or not.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nov 2012

But then again, if it weren't for my boyfriend, *I'd* often been the only atheist at the dinner party, too.

marginlized

(357 posts)
7. A better question: Would Republicans ever advocate for Marriage Equality?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:17 PM
Nov 2012

One could cynically speculate that they'll come fishing for every last percentage point for their next win. But equality before the law and keeping government out of people's bedrooms fits perfectly well with a small-government, less-regulation platform. In fact Walter Olson over at the Huff Post wrote that some Republicans are already voting in favor of marriage equality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-olson/maryland-gay-marriage_b_2094675.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
8. I definitely saw a lot of this
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:36 PM
Nov 2012

I frequent a gun forum for Marylanders, and it's dominated by Republicans. Even so, there was a very large contingent of posters who were vocal about their support for marriage equality. It was very encouraging to see my friends on the right speaking up for their neighbors like that. Here's hoping this is a sign of things to come.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
9. The Republicans who are actually serious about small government
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:41 PM
Nov 2012

would have to push through a divorce with the Republicans who just want a government small enough to fit in your bedroom.

Social conservatives have no-where else to go at the moment, Herman Cain's 3rd party dreams not withstanding.

I don't really care which faction gets to keep the house after the divorce, either way the Republicans wind up split and less effective.

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