ISIS Beheading Palestinians in Damascus

[oberliner]

The savage Islamic State (ISIS) organization has seized nearly all of the Palestinian district of Yarmouk in Damascus, activists said Saturday, and there are reports of beheadings and mass killings of Palestinians.

The London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) watchdog group said the Islamist group has taken over 90% of Yarmouk, on the southern edge of the Syrian capital.

The Financial Times cited activists who said that the jihadi group may succeed in cementing a foothold in the Syrian capital, thus increasing pressure on President Bashar al-Assad.

ISIS supporters have reportedly posted pictures of fighters beheaded by the jihadi group during the battle.

“Reports of kidnappings, beheadings and mass killings are coming out from Al-Yarmouk,” said Saeb Erekat, an member of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation’s executive committee, Saturday evening. “The priority must be to save the Palestinian refugees in the camp by creating a safe passage for them out of the death trap that Al-Yarmouk has become.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193649#.VSJl3bqprzI

[Scootaloo]

1. Again, interesting thread for you to have posted, oberliner

How many of the people getting killed by Daesh are over the age of 15, do you think?

[oberliner]

2. It's awful

It's hard to tell who exactly has been killed since there are so many challenges in getting information from there, but knowing the track record of ISIS I fear that people of all ages are being victimized.

[shaayecanaan]

3. there was an old guy interviewed on al arabiya

They asked him why he didn't leave. He said: "I ran from the Jews then I ran from the jordanians and things only get worse. Sooner or later in every Palestinian's life he has to realize that its time to stop running."

It sounds like there is still some fight left in them.

Al nusra and daesh have an alliance of convenience in the south even though they are at loggerheads elsewhere. The Palestinians particularly resent al nusra as they are israel's de facto proxy in Syria. They have repeatedly accused al nusra of aiding daesh in yarmouk and of doing Israel's dirty work. Al nusra say that they will maintain neutrality and sit out the yarmouk battle, which shows how sensitive the allegation is for them.

Mahmoud Abbas is trying to mobilize the old plo cadres but the local Palestinians sneer in contempt. The old school Fatah boys have not fought a serious battle in many moons.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/syria-yarmouk-150406062343596.html

[oberliner]

4. From the Jews?

He must've meant to say Israelis or Zionists, right?

[King_David]

5. Of course not, not everyone uses those terms interchangeably look at this post .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113498913#post16

[shaayecanaan]

8. Yet you want the Palestinians to recognise Israel as a Jewish state

"Please say that we are a Jewish state, but please don't call us Jews..."

[King_David]

9. I'm not arguing with you

I think you're just being more honest that -10/20 posters here that say when they talk about antiZionists or such it's really really really not antiJewish and exceptions are post Zionists ( all 55 of them)

[Little Tich]

10. Isn’t Post-Zionism just being Zionist and being against all forms of racism at the same time?

Surely there must be more than 55 Zionists that are against all forms of racism?

[Israeli]

11. No Little Tich.....

Post-Zionism is about being Israeli and not about Judaism .

Its also about equality for all .

see: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/uri-avnery-zionism-anti-zionism-and-post-zionism/?print=pdf

“Post-Zionism” in its true meaning is a long way from “anti-Zionism”. It recognizes Zionism’s historical achievements: the formation of a new society, the revival of the Hebrew language and the creation of the state [of Israel.] It does this without ignoring the dark aspects – the historical injustice done to the Palestinian people.

The essence of post-Zionism lies in recognizing that Zionism had fulfilled its role with the foundation of the State of Israel. Since then a new nation was born, the Israeli nation, composed of the citizens of Israel, much as the American nation is composed of the citizens of the United States. Jewish citizens feel a natural affinity to the Jewish world while Arab citizens feel a natural affinity to the Arab world.

An Israeli who is asked abroad "What are you?" answers automatically: "I am an Israeli." It would not enter his mind to say "I am a Jew", unless asked specifically about his religion.
David Ben-Gurion said that the Zionist Federation played the role of the scaffolding in the building of the state of Israel. That is true for Zionism as a whole. A building is not the anti-scaffolding, it is the post-scaffolding.

To understand us you should read Uri Avnery, Shlomo Sand, Tom Segev, Amira Hass, Gideon Levy and Avraham Burg....they are the better known Israeli post zionists .

There are many more than 55 of us .....dont take KD too seriously , its a subject he knows nothing about .

[Little Tich]

12. So, Post-Zionism is not Zionism, nor is it anti-Zionism.

Am I somewhat right if I say that Israel without ethnic connotations is Post-Zionism?

[Israeli]

13. Its not Zionism , nor is it anti-Zionism....

Yes somewhat right ....

see : Shlomo Sand on Zionism, post-Zionism, and the two-state solution
@ http://mondoweiss.net/2012/12/shlomo-sand-on-zionism-post-zionism-and-the-two-state-solution

I justify the existence of Israel not because of historical right, but because of the fact that it exist today and any effort to destroy it will bring new tragedies. Besides, Zionism created a new Israeli nation that has a right to exist.

I don’t define myself as an anti-Zionist. I define myself as a post-Zionist and non-Zionist because the justification of this land is not historical right. I understand it happened because of the tragedy of Europe. The majority of the emigrants didn’t want to come to Palestine. But the Zionist historians didn’t want to put that inside the narrative of how Israel was built.

I can propose a new law, to define Israel as the Israeli state. Because a quarter of the population is not Jewish. Making Israel as the Jewish state is like defining the United States as the Anglo-Saxon Protestant state. But because I know that history is not so simple sometimes, I think Israel can stay as a state of refuge for the Jews who are suffering from anti-Semitism but not a state that belongs automatically to Woody Allen or to Sheldon Adelson.

[shaayecanaan]

7. he would likely have fled before the establishment of Israel, therefore they weren't Israelis

certainly the Jewish militias of the time referred to themselves as "Jews", which seems uncontroversial enough. They were, after all, Jewish.

[quadrature]

6. very glad its not their Varsity!

things would be lots worse.

[Calista241]

14. So i guess Hezbollah doesn't really care about the average Palestinian. n/t