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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:13 AM Apr 2015

What If U.S. and U.N. Sanctioned Israel Over Its Nukes as They Did Iran Over Its Enrichment Program?

There is a lot of talk about nuclear proliferation in the Middle East and the ways in which an Iranian bomb would provoke Saudi Arabia and others to acquire nuclear warheads of their own.

But for decades, the primary impetus to a nuclear arms race in the region has been Israel, which probably had an atom bomb by about 1970. It was helped behind the scenes by France and Britain– which actively proliferated nuclear weapons to Israel.

It was Israel’s bomb that, in part, impelled Iraq to go for broke. Iraq’s nuclear weapons program of the 1980s in turn convinced some in Iran that Iran needed at least a nuclear break-out capacity if two of its enemies were going to have bombs. Since Israel destroyed an Iraqi light water reactor, OSIRAK, in 1981 (which had been built by the French and could not easily have been used to produce fissile material), when Iran began its experiments in uranium enrichment, it kept them secret lest Tel Aviv send out F-14s.

Ideally, the whole Middle East should be an atomic bomb- free region. The area has enough horrible problems without a weapon of mass destruction. But the UN Security Council has treated Israel very differently from the way they treated Iran. For centuries, Europeans have been held to different standards and different rules than have peoples of the Global South. Israel as a “European” country was allowed to get a nuclear bomb, indeed was helped to do so, and no sanctions were ever applied to it. Iran was targeted for economic warfare just for having an enrichment program.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_if_us_un_sanctioned_israel_over_its_nukes_as_iran_20150404

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What If U.S. and U.N. Sanctioned Israel Over Its Nukes as They Did Iran Over Its Enrichment Program? (Original Post) bemildred Apr 2015 OP
Typical Juan Cole garbage oberliner Apr 2015 #1
You know it is going to come up, with Iran accepting discipline for normalcy. bemildred Apr 2015 #3
Because Iran is a party/signatory to the NPT, guillaumeb Apr 2015 #4
Israel should be part of the Non-proliferation Treaty. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #5
Israel is a nuclear rogue with an undeclared nuclear arsenal, Little Tich Apr 2015 #6
How are they a nuclear rogue? Dick Dastardly Apr 2015 #7
You seem to think that Israel is not a nuclear rogue. Little Tich Apr 2015 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #11
And France, Great Britain, Pakistan, Russia, India, and China? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #2
Presumably, they would be imposing the sanctions according to the UN resolution. bemildred Apr 2015 #9
Is that the way to go? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #10
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Typical Juan Cole garbage
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:25 AM
Apr 2015

The US isn't sanctioning India or Pakistan for their nukes either and neither is a "European" country even in whatever way Juan imagines that Israel is.

Iran is a party to the NPT. Israel, India, and Pakistan are not.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. You know it is going to come up, with Iran accepting discipline for normalcy.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:28 AM
Apr 2015

And don't worry, they will get around to us too eventually. Those nukes are very expensive and there is nothing they are good for that is worth doing.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Because Iran is a party/signatory to the NPT,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

does that make Israel, India, and Pakistan more of a threat to world peace?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. Israel should be part of the Non-proliferation Treaty.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:00 PM
Apr 2015

It's strange that Israel hasn't signed it. What's even stranger is the Likrud hatred of Juan Cole.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
6. Israel is a nuclear rogue with an undeclared nuclear arsenal,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015

Israel is a nuclear rogue with an undeclared nuclear arsenal, and its leader calls for the bombing of Iran almost daily. I think Israel should declare the nukes and join the NPT, thus ending the threat of a nuclear war in the Middle-East.


Remember what Gunther Grass wrote?: "Why do I only speak out now/Aged and with my last drop of ink:/Israel's nuclear power is endangering/Our already fragile world peace?"

I think he has a point.

Dick Dastardly

(937 posts)
7. How are they a nuclear rogue?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:02 AM
Apr 2015

By what standards do you claim makes them nuclear rogues?

Who else do you say are nuclear rogues?

How does Israel declaring its nukes and joining the NPT end the threat of nuclear war in the middle east?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
8. You seem to think that Israel is not a nuclear rogue.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:36 AM
Apr 2015

Israel has nuclear weapons and has refused to join the NPT. That's the description of a nuclear rogue.

Let me clarify:
Nukes and member of NPT = Not a nuclear rogue.
Nukes and not a member of NPT = Nuclear rogue.

And yes, bringing a nuclear rogue into the fold greatly diminishes the risk of a nuclear war. What do you think the NPT is for?

Response to Little Tich (Reply #8)

Response to Little Tich (Reply #6)

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Presumably, they would be imposing the sanctions according to the UN resolution.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 05:11 AM
Apr 2015

Just like any other case.

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