Students Urge South African University to Expel Jews

[hack89]

The student government of the Durban University of Technology, in South Africa, has called on the institution to expel Jewish students, although some quotes from student leaders suggest that Jewish students who support the Palestinian cause could remain, The Daily News reported. Mqondisi Duma, secretary of the student government, said, "We had a meeting and analyzed international politics. We took the decision that Jewish students, especially those who do not support the Palestinian struggle, should deregister.” A statement from Ahmed C. Bawa, vice chancellor of the university, denounced the student government's request. He called the request "outrageous, preposterous and a deep violation of our National Constitution and every human rights principle."

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/02/12/students-urge-south-african-university-expel-jews

Because BDS is anti-Israel, not antisemitic.

[Mosby]

1. Unbelievable, the BDS movement gets more hateful and Antisemitic every day it seems.

[Jefferson23]

2. *And this applies to students who are sponsored by the Israeli government.

This is what they want, it is wrong and sickening and the message is not going to
help the Palestinians.

[azurnoir]

3. what a hateful stupid thing to do, however how is this tied to the BDS movement?

and Haaretz gave a bit more info

On his Facebook page, Duma posted a statement from the student council, saying that the panel "apologizes without reservation to any one offended by recent demands made by us regarding Jewish students."

He then said that the council wished to "clarify that our position is, in fact, that Israel is an Apartheid, genocidal and terrorist State and that in solidarity with our Palestinian people who are currently oppressed and colonized by Israel we demand that ANY student Jewish, Muslim, Christian even Atheist or any other that is funded by the Apartheid State of Israel and its institutions must not be students in DUT, and if there are any, they must be immediately de-registered.

"Our campuses will not be breeding grounds for Apartheid.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.642255

[hack89]

4. Do you think that Duma supports all the goals of BDS with every fiber of his being?

his "clarification" is a rote recitation of the standard BDS anti-Israel screed. He just forgot to use his "private, just among friends" voice and showed us all his underlying antisemitism. Fortunately he has friends like you to clean up his mess.

[azurnoir]

5. are you claiming he is a BDS leader or is this guilt by association?

and as far as cleaning up I posted a link from Haaretz

[hack89]

6. Isn't BDS a leaderless social justice movement like OWS?

normal people rising like one to correct an injustice?

He is one of many who, having bathed in the hatred, is using what power he has to punish the Jews.

[azurnoir]

7. I guess perhaps you should investigate the BDS movement a bit more thoughly eh?

http://www.bdsmovement.net/

[hack89]

8. I know that they would welcome a man like Duma with open arms. nt

[azurnoir]

9. You know this how? seems to me there is much running around name calling stuff

concerning what is a non-violent movement, that we are repeatedly told is having no affect anyway, seems a bit odd to me

[hack89]

10. He is posting BDS screeds to clarify his antisemitism

and you question whether or not he would be welcomed by BDS? Ok.

Never said BDS was violent - bigoted and antisemitic for sure but they are not advocating violence.

Do bigots have to be effective before they can be called out?

[azurnoir]

11. Link us to one "BDS screed" from their website that calls for Jews to be expelled from any collage

or school and a boycott against Israel is antisemitic I take it?

[hack89]

12. This quote is BDS in a nutshell

Israel is an Apartheid, genocidal and terrorist State and that in solidarity with our Palestinian people who are currently oppressed and colonized by Israel.

[azurnoir]

14. and how exactly is that antisemitic?

[hack89]

15. His original demand was antisemitic

you know - the demand that the Jews be kicked out of school. Can we at least agree on that?

He then used BDS language to "clarify" his antisemitism.

[azurnoir]

16. But once again how is that lone quote antisemitic? you can go on about BDS all you like

I asked for a linked quote from the BDS website did you forget a link?

[hack89]

17. I didn't say that quote was antisemitic

that quote is pure BDS. Sorry for the confusion.

He is an antisemite who parrots BDS ideology. That is my point.

[azurnoir]

18. so it's guilt by association then, he says some of the same things you claim BDS does so they're

one and the same?

[hack89]

19. Do you agree with his statement about Israel being an apartheid terrorist state?

you strike me a BDS kind of person. Do you think BDS would disassociate themselves from such a statement?

[azurnoir]

20. apartheid yes with regard to its behavior in the West Bank especially

terrorist is an objective term, in official terms nothing IDF does can be considered terrorist because they are an official army much like Assad's army

[hack89]

21. ok. nt

[Mosby]

24. I think you meant "subjective"

Last edited Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:47 PM - Edit history (1)

[azurnoir]

25. actually it can be either depending on your POV

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. For a non-violent movement, that we are repeatedly told is having no affect, there is certainly

a lot of kvetching about it.

[King_David]

27. Kvetching about kicking Jews out of school ?

Do you think this filthy bigoted Jew hating antisemitism should be left unchallenged?

Do you know why Mt Sinai hospitals and medical schools were created?

[azurnoir]

29. No one has been kicked out of the Durbin School for being Jewish the incident was not relate to BDS

this Duma guy is not a BDS leader

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. And the usual suspects keep the disinformation on that going.

Oh, how their complaints and sophomoric grandstanding never cease.

[King_David]

32. It's been pointed out to you by Hack he is a BDS leader

Same MO same rhetoric same bigotry against Jews .

Kicking Jews out of schools led to the creation of Mt Sinai schools and hospitals in North America.

History repeats.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. You throw that term around a lot: "BDS Leader."

I don't think it means what you think it means.

[King_David]

34. BDS in the main hate Jews more than they object to the injustice of the occupation

Every day a different Jew hating incident.

Severed pig's head left in Kosher section of South African supermarket

28 October 2014

Anti-Israel campaigners in South Africa placed a severed pig’s head in the kosher section of a Cape Town market, reportedly to express “solidarity with the Palestinians”.

The pig’s head was found in the kosher foods section of a Woolworths market and had been placed there by supporters of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, which seeks to wage economic warfare on the Jewish state.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/he/news/15295/severed_pig_s_head_left_in_kosher_section_of_south_african_supermarket


BDS has this hatred of us Jews.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. That's what BDS means, dave. Say it with me.

Your trying to tie an entire movement to a few instances is rather comical...especially when BDS is a global campaign whose purpose is to bring about the end of Israeli occupation, the colonization of Palestinian land by illegal Israeli squatters, full equality for Palestinian citizens of Israel and the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

Contrary to hasbara speak, the goals of BDS is not to wage economic warfare with Israel, dave, but to end Israeli apartheid pure and simple.

As BDS grows in popularity around the world, as individuals finally say to their politicians "enough" with Israeli apartheid, as governments realign at the UN to make BDS (in any name) more of a reality Israel will be left with the choice of South Africa: change for the better or they will be sanctioned.

So the hasbarists, dave, can tally the few rotten apples and complain that BDS is not fair and anti-semetic, but when the daily news out of the West bank and Gaza Strip is the crushing brutality of the IDF, as it supports illegal colonization, the scales of justice will tilt ever so farther away from Israel and towards reality.

Deal with it.


BDS.

[King_David]

37. BOYCOTT DIVESTMENT SANCTIONS BDS AGAINST ISRAEL - AN ANTI SEMITIC, ANTI PEACE POISON PILL

http://www.wiesenthal.com/atf/cf/%7B54d385e6-f1b9-4e9f-8e94-890c3e6dd277%7D/REPORT_313.PDF

[azurnoir]

45. I have immense respect and admiration for Simon Wiesenthal capturing and prosecuting Nazi criminals

however sadly Mr Wiesenthal passed away in 2005 and of late the Wiesenthal Center has conflated criticism of Israel and Palestinian actions at the UN with antisemitism, to the degree that in 2011 it listed Abbas's speech to the UN on recognizing a Palestinian State as the worst antisemitism of that year, over even openly NeoNazi groups in the EU.

http://www.wiesenthal.com/atf/cf/%7B54d385e6-f1b9-4e9f-8e94-890c3e6dd277%7D/TOP-TEN-SLURS_2011-FINAL_2.PDF

[King_David]

47. Ha ha

That's funny

[azurnoir]

50. which part don't be shy now :)

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

52. Wel, you go on now and keep on screaming that for as long as you like...ya hear.

Just don't be surprised when nobody believes the boy who cried wolf.

[King_David]

53. Simon Weisenthall. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

58. He's dead, dave.

[Israeli]

64. The boy who cried wolf....

[King_David]

65. On a thread like this

About expelling Jews from schools, I'm pretty sure that does not apply .

I guess you don't understand what occurred ?

Or perhaps you think that was acceptable ? in which case the rest of your posts here were pretty irrelevant.

[Israeli]

77. KD you really have no idea ....

what that cartoon refers to ??

Do you think this is " acceptable " or " irrelevant " ... ????????

WATCH: The most anti-Semitic Israeli cartoon ever made?

http://972mag.com/watch-the-most-anti-semitic-israeli-cartoon-ever-made/102698/

Also :

Settler group's new video: Money-grabbing leftists playing into European Nazis' hands

The Samaria Residents' Council launched a new viral campaign on social media Saturday night. A well-made animated video that was posted to YouTube and the organization's website shows a European man sitting in his office and leafing through a Haaretz-clone newspaper called Hasmol — a play on the Hebrew word for "left" as well as "small" that is common usage in Israeli right-wing circles to...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.642526

The video shamelessly and bluntly uses classic anti-Semitic and Nazi tropes in the spirit of the blood libels, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "Jew Suss."

There is nothing new about comparing leftists, peace activists, human rights organizations and journalists with Nazi collaborators. It reached its peak around the time of the Oslo Accords, together with using names like Yids or Jew-boys, Judenrat and quislings. One well-known visual expression of this sentiment came in the form of drawings or photoshopped images showing Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in a Gestapo uniform with a swastika armband.

At the end of the video there are are the logos of the following organizations: The New Israel Fund, B'Tselem, Yesh Din, Machsom Watch, Rabbis for Human Rights, Peace Now, Breaking the Silence (Shovrim Shtika) and Yesh Gvul.

Do you get it KD ????
Do you !!

[Israeli]

39. What are your views on Boycott from Within ?

Ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott_from_Within

See : ....

We, Palestinians, Jews, citizens of Israel, join the Palestinian call for a BDS campaign against Israel, inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid.We also call on others to do the same.

As people devoted to the promotion of just peace and true democracy in this region, we are especially opposed to the international community's decision to boycott the Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. This is particularly outrageous given the international community's prolonged support of Israel's apartheid and other daily violations of international law.

We are deeply concerned about the potentially irreversible damage inflicted on Palestinians by both Israeli brutal occupation and international policies and have come to the conclusion that the occupation will end only when its cost for Israelis, its elites in particular, outweighs the benefits.

In light of attacks on boycott supporters, we emphasize that a critical stance against the occupation, including explicit BDS actions taken by individuals and organizations, are not Anti-Semitic. On the contrary, only resistance of this kind as part of the struggle for peace based on justice and equality will enable a common future for Arabs and Jews in the region.

We endorse the Palestinian call as is. We stand against all forms of racism and oppression and support and encourage BDS actions as a legitimate political activity and a necessary means of non-violent resistance. We will act inside and outside Israel to promote awareness and support of BDS.

Source : http://boycottisrael.info/node/2/

[King_David]

40. Well that's not motivated by antisemitism

But by the injustice of the occupation.

But what's clear with the UC Davies incidents the SA incidents , The Greta Berlin incidents , Rense , Presbyterian boycott and their endorsement byb David Duke , pigs heads in kosher supermarkets etc etc etc etc etc etc that BDS by "western armchair militants for Palestine " has nothing to do with the injustice of the occupation and everything to do with Jews , not Israeli Jews in the main but hatred and bigotry of all Jews including us in the USA and France and UK and SA etc.

Even their support by Jews in Israel has failed to immunize that BDS movement against their Bigotry and Hatred of Jews as they show every single day what they are all about... The list is endless, and the hate generally is not directed against Jews in Israel but Jews in the Golah with calls for expulsion from Universities in South Africa for example.

[Israeli]

41. But KD ...that is what it is all about ....

...." the injustice of the occupation. "

You can howl " antisemitism " from dawn till dusk , give it any excuse you need to give .
BDS is about ending the occupation .

[King_David]

42. Maybe in theory

But the movement on the whole , especially in the USA and South Africa etc has been hijacked by the worst hatred of Jews that have crawled under their rocks.

This expulsion of Jews from universities is just scratching the surface.

You see it in forum posts and threads everywhere.

It's not like Israel for Jews,here in the Golah .... And in places like France you can not decide your no longer Jewish or a post Zionist or whatever.. They won't let you ...You should come find out.

[Israeli]

43. Maybe you should come find out ...

ref : " It's not like Israel for Jews,here in the Golah .... And in places like France you can not decide your no longer Jewish or a post Zionist or whatever.. They won't let you ...You should come find out. "

......what the occupation is all about .


?w=477

[King_David]

49. Latuf ?

What's he know ?

Pfft

[Mosby]

51. Latuff is an Antisemite

I can't believe you're posting one of his cartoons.

[Israeli]

63. That is a matter of opinion Mosby....

Have you read his interview on The Forward ?

http://forward.com/articles/14745/latuff-cartoonist-in-conversation-/

Carlos Latuff: As a cartoonist, I feel comfortable enough to make any comparison I think necessary that expresses my point. Metaphors are the key point to political cartooning. Of course Israel isn’t building gas chambers in the West Bank, but surely we can find some similarities between the treatment given to Palestinians by the [Israel Defense Forces] and the Jews under Nazi rule. Inaccurate or not, it’s important to highlight that such comparisons have been made worldwide not only by cartoonists, but by people such as Yosef “Tommy” Lapid, Ariel Sharon’s former justice minister and a Holocaust survivor (deceased in June of 2008). He said in 2004, during an interview, that a photo of an elderly Palestinian woman searching through rubble reminded him of his grandmother who died in Auschwitz. For me, this is more painful than comparisons of how Palestinians live under Israeli occupation.

C.L.: Israel apologists have frequently compared my cartoons with those published in the Nazi paper Der Stürmer. Let’s have a close look at the Der Stürmer’s cartoonist’s role and mine. Philipp Rupprecht, pen name Fips, dedicated almost 20 years of his life to making only Jew-hating ‘toons for a paper for which the motto was “Jews are our disgrace.” My cartoons have no focus on the Jews or on Judaism. My focus is Israel as a political entity, as a government, their armed forces being a satellite of U.S. interests in the Middle East, and especially Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. It happens to be Israeli Jews that are the oppressors of Palestinians. If they were Christians, Muslims or Buddhists, I would criticize them the same way. I made cartoons about George Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Tony Blair, Ernesto Zedillo (Mexico’s former president), Pinochet, and none of them was Jewish.

E.P.: Is the history of antisemitic caricature completely irrelevant when it comes to criticizing Israel?

C.L.: No doubt about real antisemitism. Of course you’ll have people hijacking the Palestinian struggle as a chance for bashing the Jews, like European neo-Nazis who demonstrate against the occupation of Palestinian territories or the Iraq War. It’s important for the left to keep them apart from the legitimate struggle for the rights of the Palestinians; however, saying that anti-Zionism is antisemitism is a well-known tactic of intellectual dishonesty.

[Israeli]

44. BTW KD ...

with regard to this :

" You see it in forum posts and threads everywhere."

Depends on where you choose to go .

I have just the place for you :

All That’s Left is a collective unequivocally opposed to the occupation and committed to building the diaspora angle of resistance.

https://www.facebook.com/AllThatsLeftCollective

[King_David]

48. If you recommend it

I'm sure it's extremly worthwhile place to visit.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

60. Well, dave walked right into that one with both eyes shut and keyboard wizzing away with

false accusations.

It's the "the injustice of the occupation", and that's what is glossed over in their pursuit of their phantoms.

"Yeah, the occupation is unjust, but did you hear about that BDS leader I just manufactured! Outrage!"

[King_David]

66. I regard that , in a thread like this

To be irrelevant.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

69. Okay. Whatever.

[King_David]

70. Strange you're comfortable commenting in this thread to the same degree as Israeli is...

You shouldn't be...

She has a right to... She is not on outsider ( on either side of this )

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

71. Strange you're comfortable judging who is and who isn't allowed to comment

on a Democratic message board, dave.

Everybody has to right to exercise their first amendment rights.

I would expect you, an American of Palestinian descent, to understand that.


Perhaps your political leanings aren't as Democratic as you have lead others here to believe?

[King_David]

72. Nobody is stopping you from your very revealing opinions.

BTW there's no 1st amendment rights on a private message board ... Hence ppr is a reality .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

73. Well, dave then alert away.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

74. This post of your insinuates that I should stop,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=95373

Star Member King_David (10,950 posts)
70. Strange you're comfortable commenting in this thread to the same degree as Israeli is...

You shouldn't be...

She has a right to... She is not on outsider ( on either side of this )

Naughty, naughty, dave.

[King_David]

75. It's up to you , I'm just amazed your so comfortable with it

Israeli is an insider..

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

76. Wait, now it's up to me?

You just made it clear a few posts ago that you thought it wasn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=95373

Strange you're comfortable commenting in this thread to the same degree as Israeli is...

You shouldn't be...

She has a right to... She is not on outsider ( on either side of this )

Again, you say that you are a liberal, but what kind of liberal excludes other opinions based along ethnicity / religion?


That has non-liberal written all over it.

[azurnoir]

46. perhaps you should go back and reread

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

59. BDS leaders are surprisingly everywhere when one chooses to paint them as ant-Semites.

But in reality the criers know that to destroy a movement they have to vilify it first.


They're really starting to become worried. They should be.

[King_David]

26. He most certainly is a BDS leader

Yet another bigoted antisemitic Jew hating BDS leader... There have been so many that it is difficult to keep up.

[azurnoir]

28. There is this apparent need to tie every act of antisemitism to BDS regardless of the reality

yet we're told BDS is having no effect curious that

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. They're trying really hard to make BDS into their cure all bogeyman.

Their fear is palpable, and their bombastic BS isn't working any longer.

They also fear that too.

[shira]

55. This of course is linked to BDS...

"The SRC at DUT furthermore ... has adopted a full and complete cultural and academic boycott of Israel in line with the international boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel movement."

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.642255

[azurnoir]

56. Does it now

"so in line with" is the same as "leader of" I see yet more guilt by association

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

57. It's just more of the same hasbara BS, azurnoir.

It's comically insane that some posters believe that BDS has so many leaders.


It's a conspiracy teh of hatas!

[leftynyc]

38. It's having no ECONOMIC effect

What you're forgetting is that hatred for Jews historically has needed little reason to come to the surface. That's what BDS has done - brought the ugly out.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

61. "That's what BDS has done - brought the ugly out."

It's perfectly just to expose the ugly, but is is also perfectly just to expose those criers who want to tie that ugly to BDS in an attempt to destroy it.

BDS leaders! BDS leaders! The dear is palpable with the criers.


BDS is more like OWS, and I do not believe that many can understand that the tide has turned against Israel WRT their insanely unjust policy of occupation - colonization - apartheid.

The world is tired of Israeli policy, and BDS...or whatever you want to call it will grow. That's what the criers fear.


Eventually there will be an end game, and I really do believe that Israel is on the losing side of it.

Does that make me happy? No, but change will come.


BDS.

[shira]

54. Your link to Haaretz shows it's tied to BDS

Look near the end of the article:

"The SRC at DUT furthermore ... has adopted a full and complete cultural and academic boycott of Israel in line with the international boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel movement."

[azurnoir]

62. still with the guilt by association? the quote says does not say this guy is a leader of BDS

or even an official part of the movement

http://www.bdsmovement.net/

[shira]

67. U stated wrongly that this call to expel Jews had nothing to do with BDS.

It's definitely linked to BDS.

Yet another example demonstrating how disgusting the movement is.

[azurnoir]

68. No it is not linked to the BDS movement show us where on their website BDS endorse expulsion of Jews

from anywhere/ This Duma persons original statement was bigoted and hateful but he is not a spokesman for BDS

http://www.bdsmovement.net/

[King_David]

13. Just yet another antisemitic incident by BDS.

It's not about the injustice of the occupation with the BDS movement, it's all about Jews and how much they hate them.

[grossproffit]

22. Just when I think some can't stoop any lower they do. Scum. eom.

[King_David]

35. The Expulsion of Jews Throughout History