Historic vote, UC Student Association endorses call for divestment in support of Palestinian rights

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/association-divestment-palestinian

Students for Justice in Palestine at UCLA issued the following press release:

On the morning of February 8, 2015, hundreds of students gathered in Tom Bradley International Hall at UCLA as the UC Student Association (UCSA) deliberated motions in support of divestment from companies engaged in the systematic violation of Palestinian rights in the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Students from across California arrived to speak in favor of divestment, and to highlight the nearly 90 student organizations across the state which joined the call for the UCSA to endorse divestment. The historic vote passed in an overwhelming majority of 9-1 with 6 abstentions (click here to read the full text of the divestment motion).

The UC Student Association is the official voice of the student body of the University of California, and represents hundreds of thousands of undergraduate and graduate students across the UC system. Today it became the first multi-campus student association to vote in favor of divestment. This landmark vote is undoubtedly the largest victory thus far in the campus divestment movement in the United States.

Since 2012, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UC Berkeley, UC Riverside, UC Los Angeles, and UC Davis have passed resolutions through their campus undergraduate student governments calling on the UC Regents to divest endowment and pension funds from companies such as Raytheon, Hewlett-Packard, Caterpillar, and Cemex, which facilitate and profit from Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories, its construction of settlements in contravention of international law, its violent bombing campaigns in Gaza, and its construction of checkpoints and walls throughout the West Bank. In addition, the statewide union representing teaching assistants, tutors, and readers – UAW 2865 – recently held a statewide membership vote which resulted in nearly 2/3rds support for divestment.

BDS.

[NaturalHigh]

1. And Mondoweiss again.

Predictable.

[still_one]

2. That is for sure

[Fozzledick]

8. Stuck in a loop.

[NaturalHigh]

3. It's interesting that 90% of your posts are in the Israel/PA Group...

and they are all blatantly anti-Israel.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. It's actually criticism of Israeli policy, and not anti-Israel, but thanks for playing.

[King_David]

16. Your extremely passionate about the Palestinian people's cause

At DU at least it's your primary cause .
More so than any Palestinian poster here on DU to the exclusion of any other cause.

I'm also mainly posting on this cause because as a Jew it's my people involved , my family and my cause.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. I'm extremely passionate about a good cigar.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. To the passing DUer...

Have you ever noticed the amount of complaining that follows posts that show that BDS is growing?

Since some cannot refute the facts of the growing BDS movement the endlessly complain about the messanger.


It's quite a tell that BDS is working.

[NaturalHigh]

6. BDA is nothing more than a sad joke...

and a display on anti-Semitic sentiment.

Cool story, though, bro.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Too bad you're completely wrong, bro.

BDS is growing, and we all know that.

What we also know is that the hasbaristas are running scared. That's why they are falling back on the bankrupt tactics of calling anti-Semitism on the movement.


What really is a sad joke is how apartheid Israel is its own worst enemy: really sad, though, bro.

[hack89]

9. Do you have hard economic facts to back that up?

lets see the bottom line impact on Israel in dollars and cents.

[NaturalHigh]

11. I'm guessing the answer is no.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. I'm sure spmebody asked the same question about apartheid South Africa at some point.

BDS is working because the complaints against it are growing louder and louder.


Deal. With. It.

[hack89]

15. No - we saw the damage to the SA economy in real time

as investments dried up. We don't see that with Israel.

Subjective comments about " more complaints " is a very weak result for a supposedly earth changing movement

[King_David]

17. Yes exactly right

In fact there's much evidence that BDS has made no difference to Israelis economy whatsoever.

[NaturalHigh]

18. These predictable attacks and comparisons to South Africa...

are getting desperate. Is anyone actually boycotting Israel? It seems to me it's just a bunch of student governments passing resolutions to look all left and such.

[azurnoir]

20. Tell us please when did the Boycott movement against South Africa begin and in what year did it

finally claim victory?

[NaturalHigh]

21. I have no idea.

[azurnoir]

22. The South African boycott movement began in the 1950's, was not succssful until the early 1990's

took quite a bit of time then , just as it will now

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. As I wrote to hack. In time.

There is just no memory of history with some posters here.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

26. In time, hack. In time.

But please keep up with the chest thumping.

[hack89]

28. Calling you out for factless posts is chest thumping? Got it. Nt

[NaturalHigh]

19. As I asked downthread:

Is anyone actually boycotting Israel? It seems to me it's just a bunch of student governments passing resolutions to look all left and such.

[Peter Rollins]

23. Major change in policy.

Now, no school funds from the entire University of California official funding can be spent on Israeli goods. It will have a big impact economically. It is a very big school.

[NaturalHigh]

24. Really? How much were they spending on Israeli goods in the first place?

Seriously, I don't know, and I'm not about to click on a Mondoweiss link.

[Peter Rollins]

41. They were spending a fortune.

They were mostly spending by investing their pension money there. But now it will stop. And so will the student exchange programs, so no more Israeli students or teachers can go to any UC school.

[hack89]

33. There has been no change in policy

the UC Regents are the only group that can make that change. The student vote was purely symbolic.

[Peter Rollins]

37. Major change

Now, that the student association of the ENTIRE UC system -- We are talking like 30 campuses -- has voted this way, it is just a matter of time before the Regents confirms the vote and implements it. The Regents have no incentive to defy the student democratic decision.

[hack89]

39. The Regents will listen to the adults that fund their system

not a bunch of kids. They are not going to defy the California political establishment or major donors. The Regents have every incentive to defy the students - setting off a political firestorm is not in their best interest.

[Peter Rollins]

40. But

the Regents believe in natural justice, and the primary purpose of the school is for the ones you call the kids, who are actually voting adults, and the very ones who would fight in any US war. They should have their say. UC gets very little donations from alumni. Berkeley and UCLA get a little from alumni, but nothing like Ivy League schools get. And the other UC schools get practically zero. It is all mostly funded by the voters.

[hack89]

43. Then once BDS catches on with the general public then things might change

right now BDS is a fringe movement with no wide spread public support.

[Peter Rollins]

44. hmm.

Israel wasting billions of dollars in natural gas because Turkey and Egypt refuse to buy it. The student body of the entire system of the University of California voting to boycott Israel. It depends how you define fringe.

[hack89]

45. Eygpt and Israel negotiated a $60 billion gas deal during the Gaza fighting

Eygpt views Hamas as an enemy remember.

The UC students are not a political force in California. The rest of the state (and the country) doesn't give a damn about BDS.

[Peter Rollins]

47. I don't see any gas deal signed or even close to signed.

If the rest of the country did not give a damn about BDS, maybe Netanyahu would not have had to sneak around Obama.

[hack89]

48. "Egypt Business Body Hails Decision to Import Israeli Natural Gas"

Egypt’s leading business organization has praised Cairo’s plans to import natural gas from Israel, saying that doing so will “yield many benefits.”

In another sign of the burgeoning security and commercial ties between the two countries since Abdel Fattah el Sisi became president of Egypt in 2014, the Federation of Egyptian Industries (FEI) said that that the deal with Israel would reduce import costs by relying on pipelines already installed by East Mediterranean Gas (EMG), the company that had supervised Egyptian gas exports to Israel before they were halted following the 2011 uprising that led to a Muslim Brotherhood government.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/02/02/egypt-business-body-hails-decision-to-import-israeli-natural-gas/

Notice the bold type - it is impossible to argue that Egypt has embraced BDS.

[hack89]

49. "Israel, Egypt negotiate $60 bn gas deal amid Gaza crisis. "

In the midst of some of the worst Middle East tensions in a decade, one-time enemies Egypt and Israel are negotiating deals that may mean the sale of $60 billion in Israeli natural gas to liquefaction plants in Egypt.

The talks come as Israel resumes air strikes on Gaza after Hamas, which the US and the European Union (EU) classify as a terrorist group, fired rockets following a breakdown in Egypt's efforts to broker a ceasefire.

The move is all the more improbable because Egypt, little more than a year ago, was under the sway of the Muslim Brotherhood, which had begun to steer the country away from viewing Israel as a trading partner.

Noble Energy Inc. and units of Israel's Delek Group Ltd plan to deliver as much as 6.25 trillion cubic feet of gas from the Tamar and Leviathan offshore fields to LNG facilities in Egypt's Damietta port and the coastal town of Idku.

Executives said this week they expect to finalize the agreements by year- end.

http://www.newsonprojects.com/story.asp?news_code=17659

[Peter Rollins]

51. Haha.

If you follow economic news, you will know they been saying that about Turkey and Egypt for the past like 10 years. The article did not imply they are closer than another 10 or 20 years from signing a deal.

[hack89]

52. Time will tell.

lets not forget that Egypt is both desperate for energy and hates Hamas. There is no reason to believe that they support BDS - a strong Palestinian state is not in their best interest. They much rather have Israel keeping a lid on both Hamas and Hezbollah.

[hack89]

50. The Netahyahu visit has nothing to do with BDS

it is all about Iran. Netanyahu is sneaking around Obama because he is attempting to undermine Obama's policies.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. In time, hack. It will change.

http://newspaperarchives.vassar.edu/cgi-bin/vassar?a=d&d=vcunscr19851001-01.2.2&e=-------en-20--1--txt-IN-------


BDS.

[hack89]

54. So we keep hearing.

in the meantime investments keep flowing into Israel.

[Peter Rollins]

55. It keeps flowing and it keeps being limited.

Just because one dollar flows in to Israel does not mean Israel is not losing money from BDS. You have to consider how much more would have flowed.

In Turkey, the Prime Minister likes popular Islam, which is what most Turkish people like and the democratic choice. When the non-democratic army rulled Turkey, it was much friendlier to Israel. It is hard to imagine a democratically elected leader of Turkey buying Israeli gas.

As for Egypt, it certainly would never have happened under the democractically elected Islamist Morsi. But democracy does not rule in Egypt. The military does. But el-Sissi is only willing to anger the masses so much in order to buy cheap Israeli gas. So he floats the prospect of buying Israeli gas and will continually do so for the purpose of gauging sentiment. But they are a long way from cutting a deal. And only someone who has not been reading the paper for the past 10 years would mistake these floater negotiations as an advancement toward buying gas.

[hack89]

56. "It could have been more" is not particularly compelling argument

especially when it is not backed up by any real data or analysis. Please don't take this too hard but your opinion is exactly that - when you have some real facts you are certainly welcome to come back and make your case.

[Peter Rollins]

57. "There was $1 of trade" is likewise not a particularly compelling arguement.

especially when it is not backed up by any real data or analysis. Please don't take this too hard but your opinion is exactly that - when you have some real facts you are certainly welcome to come back and make your case.

[hack89]

58. ok. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

59. Apparently, you are blind to history.

It'll be alright.

[hack89]

60. I have been conditioned by the gun control food fights on DU

where "just you wait" is the never ending refrain of gun control advocates as they ignore the reality right in front of their eyes. I will just remind you that history is full of surprises and the notion that the past will predict the future is simplistic and fundamentally irrational.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

61. History is full of surprises: just like what happened in South Africa.

It took a while, but the world finally said enough is enough.

It'll be alright.

[hack89]

62. Why do you think I am upset?

here I sit, an American atheist with no connections with Israel who likes spirited discussions on the internet.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

63. No, not as much upset as blind to history...and precedent. That's all.

[hack89]

64. You really want to make this personal, don't you?

just because I refuse to recognize your genius does not mean I am blind to history. I merely disagree with you. You need to learn to handle rejection better.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

65. Personal? No. Just showing that some are historically blind is not the same as calling

them names.

When somebody calls another person a fucking asshole then that's personal.

When one make an observation that another poster ignores history and precedent then that is an observation, IMHO.

You can of course disagree with that, but it does not leave a lot of room to maneuver when there is historical precedent that things will only get worse for apartheid Israel.


On edit: As for genius, any twelve year old given the facts could see the injustice in the I/P situation, and I have known one twelve year old who is indeed a genius. And me, I just see things clearly.

[hack89]

66. Recognizing the injustices in the I/P situation does not mean that BDS will succeed.

There is injustice in the world far beyond that of I/P that goes ignored. It is hard to argue that I/P is even the worse injustice in the ME.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. "There is injustice in the world far beyond that of I/P that goes ignored."

Not many of them take place in supposed democracies, though, now do they?

Israeli apartheid will end...sooner or later, and I thank you for at least acknowledging that there are injustices.

[hack89]

69. Time will tell. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

71. Certainly.

[Peter Rollins]

68. the problem with hack's reasoning

is he says "there is no way to prove it 100% either way, therefore you haven't proved it, and therefore I am right." It is as if he doesn't realize that hasn't proved it either.

You can never have proof. You can only have evidence. And the undisputably large amount of money Israel loses from not sellling gas is a lot more proof than showing Israel just got $75 million in investments, which is a lot less than the lost gas money.

[hack89]

70. If unspecified lost money from imaginary sales is your idea of evidence

then your position is pretty weak.

Now if you can show that Israel has seen a significant decline in export activities and foreign investment compared to historical levels then you might have a point. I doubt you can - that is why you are hanging your hat on this made up "evidence".

[Peter Rollins]

72. Again

hack is unsatisfied with my evidence, and in response he says he has no evidence at all, and therefore he wins.

Discovering new gas and being unable to sell it to anyone is, in all events, pretty strong evidence.

[hack89]

73. Can you show a decline in exports and foreign investment?

Simple question. It is not like the data is secret or anything.

[Peter Rollins]

74. No I cannot.

It is a deceptive question, though.

#1 The world slowly gets richer as time goes by. And exports naturally climb. A slow down in the rate of growth would be enough to show.

#2 Israel faced an anomally in its big discovery of natural gas that it cannot sell. It is enough to show this alone.

#3 I don't know why you think the burden of proof is on one side, when you haven't shown the opposite of the proof you demand.

[hack89]

75. You have the burden because you made the claim that BDS is working

I was just wondering if you knew what you were talking about or if all you had was hand waving generalities - like your last post.

I have my answer so we can move on to a different subject if you want.

[Peter Rollins]

76. I must have misunderstood.

I thought hack made the claim that BDS is not working. But now he has clarified that he is unable to make such claim.

[hack89]

77. You did misunderstand

We talking about how BDS is a fringe movement with little popular support in America. Which is true. You then posted:

Israel wasting billions of dollars in natural gas because Turkey and Egypt refuse to buy it. The student body of the entire system of the University of California voting to boycott Israel. It depends how you define fringe.

I made no claims about the economic effects of BDS. You did.

[Peter Rollins]

78. Yeah, but there were a bunch of other posts not by you.

One said that some 3 Israeli start up's raising $75 was a a lot of evidence BDS had no economic effect.

Plus, you got to remember, this is not hard science. You never have much evidence for these issues. Turkey and Egypt's refusal to buy gas isn't exactly even a part of the BDS movement, but they are based upon a quasi-boycott or refusal to increases business for polifical reasons. And I really don't think there is any doubt that all 3 countries would all make money if the politics allowed a gas deal.

[hack89]

79. Except I showed you that Egypt is not refusing to buy Israeli gas

and here are links showing how Israeli / Turkish trade is booming:

Despite strained relations between Israel and Turkey, trade between the two countries continues to grow, a Turkish press report says. The website Today’s Zaman reported, citing the Turkish Statistics Institute, that the countries’ trade in 2014 was valued at $5.6 billion, more than double the $2.6 billion posted for 2009. The latest trade figure consisted of $2.9 billion of Turkish exports to Israel and $2.7 billion of imports from Israel. Turkey’s key exports include iron and steel, electrical machinery, vehicles, minerals and textiles. Turkey’s opposition parties had called on the government to revise its trade policies with Israel after the country’s seven-week summer 2014 war with Hamas in Gaza, the website reported

.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.641678

New figures show Turkey has been boosting its trade ties with Israel in recent years, despite the harsh anti-Israeli rhetoric used by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Data from the Turkish Statistics Institute (TurkStat) showed that the volume of mutual trade between Turkey and Israel exceeded USD 5.6 billion in 2014, showing a nearly 50-percent increase from 2009.

According to TurkStat, Turkey exported more than USD 2.9 billion worth of goods to Israel in 2014, while its imports were USD 2.7 billion during the same year.

The trade volume between Ankara and Tel Aviv stood at USD 2.6 billion in 2009.

The rise in bilateral trade comes as Erdogan has been harshly criticizing Israel over its brutal and repressive policies against Palestinians in Gaza.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/02/10/396974/TurkeyIsrael-trade-ties-boom

I don't think Turkey is a mad at Israel as you would like to believe.

[hack89]

80. Tensions aside, Israel and Egypt do booming business

The problem that BDS faces is that countries will always put their own self interest before the Palestinians.

For example, there’s Israel’s annual $100 million trade with Egypt, the result of an economic deal worked out in 2004 between Israel, Egypt, and the US.

“Our QIZ agreement with Egypt keeps getting stronger,” said Cohen, referring to the Qualifying Industrial Zone. “It was strong under the Mubarak administration, but surprisingly got even stronger when Mohammed Morsi took over the leadership of Egypt in 2012 – and now, with Abdel el-Sissi leading the country, it continues to flourish.”

There were concerns among Israeli officials that Morsi, former head of the Muslim Brotherhood – the “parent” of Hamas – would attempt to undo the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty. But, at least on trade issues, the opposite took place. Now, said Cohen, with Sissi helming the government in Cairo, trade with Israel is stronger than ever.

Under the Qualifying Industrial Zone agreement, Egypt can export goods to the US duty-free if 10.5 percent of a product’s components are made in Israel. Last year, said Cohen, Israel exported about $100 million of raw material products to Egypt – which in turn used the Israeli components to produce and export about a billion dollars worth of goods to the US.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/tensions-aside-israel-and-egypt-do-booming-business/#ixzz3RNbJHSwm

[Peter Rollins]

82. Then

how do you account for Turkey and Egypt having reached no gas deal despite having had years to do so?

I explained that there is a big difference between negotiating and signing a gas deal. I explained that negotiating is just to gauge the reaction of Egyptians in the street. And as is quite obvious, no one makes a dime off a negotiation.

It is a lot easier for the Turkish Prime Minister to refuse to sign a gas deal than to stop other trade. And a gas deal would make all other trade seem like pennies.

[hack89]

83. So I show you that business between Israel and both Turkey and Eygpt is steadily increasing

and you ignore it. Why? If BDS was working wouldn't it be steadily decreasing? Is that gas deal the only "evidence" you have that BDS is working?

[Peter Rollins]

84. The gas deal is all that matters because

the rest of their trade is pennies by comparison.

[hack89]

85. So when the deal is signed

will you admit that you are wrong.

[Peter Rollins]

86. Yes.

And if the parties are still negotiating after a certain amount of time, then hack shall admit he was wrong. The only question is how much time.

[Peter Rollins]

88. I hate to tell hack89 I told you so.

But boy did I. http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-leviathan-customers-look-elsewhere-1001011055

[hack89]

89. Do you understand the reasons why?

your link makes it clear it has nothing to do with BDS.

[Peter Rollins]

90. I understand the reasons why, but hack89 does not.

The article discusses new technical reasons. Hack89 is reading the news but not understanding it.

The article had no need to explain that Israel is the cheapest way for the countries to get gas. There is already a pipeline from Israel to Egypt. To get Cyrpress gas, they have to build a whole new pipeline.

The article had no reason to discuss the political reasons that the average Arab opposes dealings with Israel. This is the primary reason, but there is nothing new with it.

Instead the article discusses the more recent reasons that arose, which make a marginal contribution, but is the straw that broke the camel's back.

[hack89]

91. ok. nt

[Peter Rollins]

92. I have great respect for hack

for it takes a big man to realize when there is nothing more than can be said in support of his prior arguement.

[hack89]

93. Right. Nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

81. That $75 mil could have come from Sheldon.

[King_David]

87. Ha ha ha

[Israeli]

42. You need to keep up with the news ....

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4624727,00.html

[King_David]

46. Now that's a real BDS movement

When Palestinians are boycotting Israeli goods it's motivated by the injustice of the occupation .

In the USA abd South Africa and Belgium BDS movement in the main is motivated by anti semitism.

[NaturalHigh]

10. I'll remember that when I'm buying my SodaStream.

The wife and son have both been wanting one.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Go buy a hundred if you like.

[NaturalHigh]

14. I don't drink that much soda.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. But think of all the gas.

[King_David]

25. I wonder if the rampant antisemitic bigotry that is the BDS movement will follow here too

Swastikas Spray Painted at Off-Campus UC Davis Jewish Fraternity House



http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/Swastikas-Spray-Painted-at-Off-Campus-UC-Davis-Fraternity-House-290549801.html

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. Bad, bad, king. "As of Monday, no arrests have been made."

It's kind of early to assign blame, but I expect no less really.

[King_David]

30. Yea it's just coincidence ?

Nope it's just another of a long long list of BDS bigotry against Jews.

The injustice of the occupation is not what draws most BDS supporters to the cause.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. BDS must really be chapping your backside right about now. No?

Perhaps if Israel wasn't the apartheid state it is today there would be no need for BDS or for others to spread lies, cut from whole cloth, about them.

[King_David]

35. Apartheid state ?

LOL

Lie ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113494822

The only lie was not in my post .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. Israel is an apartheid state. BDS is growing for that reason and more, dave.

I would LOL, but it is just so sad.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. Oh, and once again...

Thanks for the kick.

[shira]

94. More pro-Hamas Jew hating BDS tripe from Mondoweiss. N/T

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

95. Your hanging on BDS as "Jew-hating" is comical.

[shira]

96. White KKK southerners made the same arguments decades ago....

....that Mondoweiss makes now.

Nothing funny about it.

You really should stop posting bigoted, pro-Hamas sources like Mondoweiss on a liberal board.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

97. Criticism of Israel is now KKK territory?

[shira]

98. When the sources u bring here are pro-Hamas & Jew-hating, that's KKK territory.

Neo-Nazi as well.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

99. It's always the same thing with you, shira.

You attack the messenger and the message.

You are on record countless times.

The Pope could criticize Israel, and you would probably find a way call him pro hamas.

[shira]

100. Pro-Hamas, neo-Nazi sources shouldn't be cited...

....on a liberal board WRT anything doing with the Jewish state.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

101. And any criticism of Israel is usually labeled

as such in an attempt to blunt the message and messenger.

Seriously, shira, you are transparent in this regard.

[shira]

102. Plenty of Zionist sources criticize Israel, Likud, settlements, etc...

No one here equates them with the KKK or neo-Nazis.

They're not antisemitic.

======================

The racist, pro-Hamas garbage sources you use go well beyond criticism as they purposely incite hatred & hostility.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

103. Scream anti-semite, KKK and Jew hate all you want, shira

It doesn't fly like it used to; especially when some want to shut down debate.

And, shira, thanks for the kick.

[shira]

105. That's what decent liberals do when the most putrid hate needs to be addressed. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

108. No, they do not scream what's not true,

but nice try.

Perhaps you will meet a Liberal some day and they can explain the difference between criticism and venomous hatred.

[shira]

104. You use Ynet for some of your articles that criticize Israel.

Notice that no one here questions the source or calls ynet antisemitic.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

106. I really don't care what your viewpoint is

or what news source us acceptable to you.

If you don't like it I really don't care.

The next time I post an article from Mondoweiss let's see if you can refute the substance if the article.

[shira]

107. Just addressing your BS that all criticism = antisemitism

Rather, it's antisemitic garbage that is antisemitic, not all criticism.

Why do you feel a need to continue to post from Jew-hating, pro-Hamas sources?

You make it too easy to expose BDS for the neo-Nazi garbage it is.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

109. Opinions vary, shira.

And if you don't like the truth I really don't care.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

110. I use a wide variety of news sources and commentary.

Mondoweiss is but one.

I have also used Arutz Sheva on occasion to make a point.

[shira]

111. You claimed falsely that I'm against all criticism of Israel

Wanna be a big man and walk that one back?