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Related: About this forumEver wonder where all that racist "Khazar" crap came from?
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The following is an interesting analysis--
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28397-focus-dont-blame-the-khazars-for-taking-modern-ukraine-or-palestine
Don't Blame the Khazars for Taking Modern Ukraine - or Palestine
Stampfer and the geneticists he cites completely debunk Elhaiks study, especially with their two most fundamental criticisms. Elhaik looked at an extremely small sample of Ashkenazi DNA, taken from only 8 men and 4 women. Far worse, he had no verifiable Khazar DNA against which to compare them. He looked only at samples taken from proxies, present-day Armenians and Georgians, two populations that have absolutely no established link to the Khazars.
Stampfer also touches, though far too briefly, on an everyday fact of life that completely demolishes any possibility of a Khazar connection. If Ashkenazi Jews had descended from Turkic Khazars, Yiddish would necessarily show significant traces of some Central Asian language in its vocabulary, grammatical structure, syntax, or other linguistic features. Scholars have found only a handful of Turkic words, including davenen (to pray) and yarmulke (skullcap), about which scholars still quibble. The Turks were a major presence in Eastern Europe for many years, and many of their words entered various Slavic languages. But the number of them in Yiddish is far, far fewer than would be the case if Eastern European Jews actually had Turkic origins.
To put this in perspective, many linguists are also unhappy with an alternative theory that Central European Jews and their language came from as far West as the Rhine valley. So, where did they come from? It remains an open question. All we now know on the basis of credible evidence is where they did not come from. Other than in legend, the Khazars were never Jewish and the Ashkenazim never Turkic.
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Israels Secret Plan for a Second Israel in Ukraine cried the headline, followed by a breathless lead. The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel.
What an incredible scoop! Wayne Madsen, the author, describes himself as an investigative journalist specializing in the super-secret. But, here he was simply citing a story that had appeared in the March 18, 2014, edition of The Times of Israel, in a blog by Jim Wald, a cultural historian at Hampshire College in Massachusetts. Wald titled his blog Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine.
Madsen properly attributed his story to Wald. But he never checked Walds facts, for which the historian never pretended to offer any hard evidence. He had made it all up. There was no leaked report. No Israeli acceptance of the Khazar myth. No secret plan to resettle Ukraine. Nor did Madsen bother to check the two names Wald listed as his Russian and Ukrainian correspondents. As the website Simply Jews suggested, Hirsh Ostropoler was an eighteenth century story-teller famous in Yiddish folk lore, while I.Z. Grosser-Spass is a pun in both German and Yiddish for big joke. Walds story was a complete spoof, which Madsen and Meyssan bought whole hog. So did several other Internet sites eager to smear Israel and the Jews with whatever dirt they could, whether credible or not. Like Col. Beaty and other racist conspiracy-mongers, they mistakenly used the Khazar myth in their effort. And, as evidence of their sleuthing skills, they completely missed the give-away clue in Walds blog, when he mentioned that the new Jewish settlement in Ukraine would be called Chazerai, which in Yiddish roughly translates as Crap.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Why did you paste in the same text three times?
And does anyone but wackos still care or follow this racist claptrap? I mean Shockley and Jensen were on about the damn Khazars and red-headed Jews in the 1970s. It was bullshit then, it's bullshit now, these people are best laughed at and ignored.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I've heard this myself. Best to debunk stuff as soon as we see it, rather than let it rest.
eridani
(51,907 posts)I know it's stupid--I just thought the background of teh stoopid was interesting.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)potone
(1,701 posts)I had come across assertions of the supposed Khazar origins of Jews in comments on Al Jazeera stories, and I had no idea where that idea came from. I suspected it was rubbish; glad to have it confirmed.