Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/netanyahu-europes-attacks

The hysteria is echoed by Israeli politicians, not least Netanyahu. Before and since the Paris attacks, he has warned of a “poisonous” Islam conquering the West – ignoring the reality that Europe, including France, is far safer for Jews than Israel has proved.

Politicians on both the left and right have parroted his message that European Jews know “in their hearts that they have only one country”. Israel apparently persuaded the families of the four Jewish victims of that: they were flown to Israel to be buried in Jerusalem.

In contrast, the burial in Paris of Ahmed Merabet, a Muslim policeman also killed by the gunmen, sent a message of French unity, noted a French Jewish leader. This was the moment, he added, for his community to say: “We will be buried here, just like everyone else. We are French and we have not given up”.

Netanyahu, however, has other ideas. At a time when the number of Jewish immigrants from France is already rocketing, he has established a ministerial committee to find ways to induce yet more to come to Israel.

Interesting article.

[oberliner]

1. Meanwhile Mondoweiss aligns itself with the most fundamentalist right-wingers in the Muslim world

With garbage like:

When blasphemy is bigotry: The need to recognise historical trauma when discussing Charlie Hebdo

It’s not the cartoons– a contrarian perspective from a Muslim cartoonist

[azurnoir]

2. Chloe Patton who authored the article you name is a fundamentalist Rightwing Muslim?

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/recognise-historical-discussing

here is n excerpt from a Muslim she quoted though

The key difference between the reception of the Der Sturmer and Danish cartoons, Mahmood Mamdani argues, is that the former are understood to be bigotry, while the latter are considered blasphemous. As he points out, the difference is that blasphemy offends notions of the sacred from within a tradition, while bigotry offends them from outside of it. Mistaking the former for the latter explains why many well-meaning liberals honestly cannot grasp that publishing insulting pictures of the Prophet is not equivalent to depicting the Pope in a bikini.

Whether we view Charlie Hebdo’s Islamic-themed output as blasphemy or bigotry depends on how we relate to two equally divergent historical experiences.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/recognise-historical-discussing#sthash.HUeynCgF.YN1Ef4ti.dpuf

[oberliner]

4. Not at all

Just echoing the sentiments of those on the Muslim far-right (i.e. "insulting pictures of the Prophet" are bigoted)

Just like Netanyahu is not Le Pen but seems to be echoing those same sentiments.

[azurnoir]

6. So explaining the differences between blasephemy and bigotry is rightwing now?

[oberliner]

7. Not at all

Just like what Bibi is saying does not make him the equivalent of the craziest far-right nuts in France - even if they make some of the same points.

Far right-wing Muslims are saying that they have a right to be angry/offended by a cartoon image of the prophet Mohammed and so are these Mondoweiss writers.

Lots of reasonable people think that to be preposterous.

[azurnoir]

8. yes and the person quoted was explaining why that is the differences depend on perspective

or the differences between what is perceived as blasphemy and what is perceived as bigotry

[oberliner]

9. "Islamist terrorist attacks are not aimed at liberty of expression."

That is a sentence that she writes in her piece.

That is also a sentiment that has been expressed by far right Muslims.

Of course they are aimed at exactly that.

"The Prophet metonymically represents the community as a whole"

Again - this is preposterous nonsense that any reasonable person ought to reject out of hand.

It is also not the reason why the cartoonists were slaughtered.

The argument is absolute nonsense and is exactly what the most fundamental Muslims would like people to believe.

Fortunately, more reasonable liberals are able to use their brains.

Religious tyranny must not be given any ground.

[azurnoir]

10. first you need to understand the word metonymy to actually understand what is being said

Definition of METONYMY
: a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated (as “crown” in “lands belonging to the crown”)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metonymy

Within an alternative history of French nationhood, however, the images came as yet another assault on Muslims’ right to citizenship in its fullest sense, to be of France rather than merely just in it. The Prophet metonymically represents the community as a whole, just as the schoolgirl’s headscarf has since the late 1980s. The images thus compound a sense of alienation felt by Muslims across Europe, generated by ethnic profiling, police harassment, physical assaults, discrimination in the labour and housing markets, attacks on mosques and general incivility. They reinforce the perception that the legislative limits to free speech are selectively applied, as demonstrated by the swift banning of a fashion advertisement which stylistically referenced the last supper, and the protracted legal case brought against a prominent Muslim anti-racism activist for her alleged racial vilification of whites. And they continue a long history of using the pursuit of republican values to justify the humiliation of colonial subjects and their contemporary descendants, from brutal public ‘de-veiling’ ceremonies in colonial Algeria, to the cruel pettiness of today’s public school officials refusing to provide alternatives to pork in children’s school dinners.

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http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/recognise-historical-discussing#sthash.zvwqjKdh.dpuf

[oberliner]

11. Sounds good

Except it isn't true. And it isn't why the cartoonists were attacked.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. Oh, poor you. Try not deflecting, ober.

I guess there is only one perspective int the world, right?

[oberliner]

5. I don't know what that means

I just am observing that Mondoweiss similarly has articles that reflect the same opinions of the Muslim far-right.

Just like Netanyhau is saying things that the French far-right is saying.

There have definitely been some strange bedfellows in this debate.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. "I don't know what that means" That seems to be a commom theme with you and others in I/P.

[King_David]

13. Mondoweiss is not a source that should be used in IP as it is a vanity blog and not very reliable,

Do you have a more credible source for this story , perhaps?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. Mondoweiss IS a source that should be used in IP as it is shunned by those not interested in

the truth.


Beware those that seek to censor what you see, read and hear, my fellow DUers.

Know them by their works.