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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:06 AM Dec 2014

Israeli forces shoot 5-year-old Palestinian boy in the face in East Jerusalem

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/israeli-palestinian-jerusalem

JERUSALEM (Ma‘an) 24 Dec — Israeli forces on Wednesday afternoon shot a 5-year-old Palestinian child in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet in East Jerusalem as he was getting out of a school bus on his way home, relatives said. “An Israeli soldier fired a black rubber-coated bullet at the child from a close distance, injuring him under the eye,” the uncle of 5-year-old Muhammad Jamal Ubeid told Ma‘an. The incident reportedly took place in the East Jerusalem village of al-‘Issawiya, where Muhammad’s family lives. The child’s uncle said that Muhammad and his 14-year-old sister stepped out of a school bus and had started to walk home when the Israeli forces shot him. The uncle said there were no confrontations at all in the area between Israeli forces and Palestinians at the time of the shooting … Muhammad was evacuated to the nearby Hadassah Medical Center on Mount Scopus where medical authorities said he had a fracture in the bone below his eye. The boy was later transferred to the Hadassah Medical Center in the Ein Karem neighborhood in West Jerusalem for treatment.
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Israeli forces shoot 5-year-old Palestinian boy in the face in East Jerusalem (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 OP
Bastards! newfie11 Dec 2014 #1
A little skepticism may be in order here oberliner Dec 2014 #2
whatever do you mean? azurnoir Dec 2014 #6
Like the part about an Israeli soldier just randomly shooting a chid as he gets off a bus oberliner Dec 2014 #9
Just like all the skepticism over the Nakba day murders? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #16
Do you have another news source for this that is not a vanity site? King_David Dec 2014 #3
Mondoweiss reprinted it from Ma'an oberliner Dec 2014 #4
Mmm. Ok King_David Dec 2014 #5
odd you seemed to have no problem with this story from Maan azurnoir Dec 2014 #7
As you can see in the post ,I said I'd never read about it anywhere else King_David Dec 2014 #8
Sure do ... Israeli Dec 2014 #10
Thank you, King_David Dec 2014 #11
re : Haaretz article ... Israeli Dec 2014 #12
No don't post the whole thing King_David Dec 2014 #13
Good for him ... Israeli Dec 2014 #14
Studies have shown that the vast majority of American King_David Dec 2014 #15
Lots of people care for Israel, dave, but like R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #17
Umm no King_David Dec 2014 #19
I never said everybody has "good motives." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #22
So BDS'ers are now friends who want to help Israel out? shira Dec 2014 #24
Someday you'll get it. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #25
Oh yes KD, the BDS'ers really care for Israel. Can't you feel the love? n/t shira Dec 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #23
True KD ... Israeli Dec 2014 #20
Yep King_David Dec 2014 #21
To hurt innocents is what the military calls a 'mistake' or 'collateral damage'. Must be horrible, Sunlei Dec 2014 #26
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. A little skepticism may be in order here
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:25 AM
Dec 2014

Very much doubt that this took place the way it is described..

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. Like the part about an Israeli soldier just randomly shooting a chid as he gets off a bus
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:18 PM
Dec 2014

That seems worthy of a little skepticism, don't you think?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. Do you have another news source for this that is not a vanity site?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:46 AM
Dec 2014

Mondoweiss is not a good reliable site to use and their stories are slanted to such an extent to make them unbelievable.

Mondoweiss is not a great source to use here in DU.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Mondoweiss reprinted it from Ma'an
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:39 PM
Dec 2014

There are a few others with more (and contradictory) information on this incident.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. As you can see in the post ,I said I'd never read about it anywhere else
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:59 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:57 PM - Edit history (3)

Maan is not the most reliable source ... Mondoweiss is far far worse though on the credibility scale.






Israeli

(4,151 posts)
10. Sure do ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 06:42 AM
Dec 2014
Haaretz has previously reported that the Israel Police have been using foam-tipped bullets that are harder and more powerful than some other kinds of bullets, and poses a particular danger for children and teenagers.

Isawiyah residents said Obeid was standing outside his home while Israeli police officers clashed with children and teenagers throwing stones at vehicles on nearby Ma'aleh Adumim Road.

If the Isawiyah accounts are accurate, Obeid is the second child in the neighborhood to be wounded by foam-tipped bullets fired at the upper body, a practice explicitly prohibited by police regulations.

In September another East Jerusalem resident, Mohammed Sunuqrut, a 16-year-old boy from the Wadi Joz neighborhood, died of injuries that Israeli and Palestinian sources say could only have been caused by a plastic or sponge-tipped bullet.

Other Palestinians, as well as journalists such as Israeli photographer Tali Mayer, WAFA journalist Christine Rinawi and CNN correspondent Ben Wedeman, have also been injured by sponge-tipped bullets.


Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.633630

NB: No paywall .

Police to probe shooting of 5-year-old Palestinian

Cops reverse claim that there was no riot activity in the area when Muhammad Jamal Ubeid was hit by a rubber bullet

Following the incident, Ubeid was rushed to Jerusalem’s Hadassah Hospital in Mount Scopus for emergency treatment. Doctors at the hospital said the boy suffered a fracture in a bone beneath his eye, and confirmed that the wound was typical of a rubber bullet strike.

The child was later transferred to Hadassah Hospital in Ein Kerem for further treatment, Ma’an reported.

The incident comes one month after an eleven-year-old Palestinian boy lost his eye under similar circumstances during a protest in Issawiya.

Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-probe-shooting-of-5-year-old-palestinian/

King_David

(14,851 posts)
11. Thank you,
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 06:50 AM
Dec 2014

For the other sources , Mondoweiss should never be relied on as a source.

That Haaretz article is behind a paywall I can only get the headline when clicking on the link provided.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
12. re : Haaretz article ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 06:57 AM
Dec 2014

Its not for me ......strange ??
Maybe because I have an Israeli IP address ??

Would you like me to post the whole thing KD ?
Or would you prefer to remain ignorant of the facts ????

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. No don't post the whole thing
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:43 AM
Dec 2014

I worry about copyright infringement, I'll look on my dads computer he pays.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
14. Good for him ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:32 AM
Dec 2014

...give him my regards ... if he is willing to pay for Haaretz he obviously cares .

Maybe you should spend more time on your dads computer ?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. Studies have shown that the vast majority of American
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:05 AM
Dec 2014
Jews care very much for Israel .

There's a small number of Americans that are "interested" in Israel in a not very positive light because it involves Jews in some manner.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
17. Lots of people care for Israel, dave, but like
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014

a friend that has become a belligerent drunk we must also be friends who will set him/her straight.

The problem lays with those who will not see reality, and would rather be enablers to the alcoholic.

Ir's pretty sad.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. I never said everybody has "good motives."
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:54 PM
Dec 2014

I thought that I made that clear with the enabler comparison.

And how nice if you to bring up the Glick defense.

Response to shira (Reply #18)

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
20. True KD ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

...nobody is going to argue that with you .

However ....how many American Jews support Israel for an alternative motive ?

Example ...Sheldon Adelson.

He is THE most powerful influential American Jew we have going for us right now ....and he is a
Republican is he not ?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
21. Yep
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

Every government has lobbyists good or bad.

Personally I think bad but that's a different debate.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. To hurt innocents is what the military calls a 'mistake' or 'collateral damage'. Must be horrible,
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 05:21 PM
Dec 2014

horrible and scary to be a child in those areas. Only positive is Hadassah Medical Center helps many injured people, no matter who they are.

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