Caroline Glick says there were no Palestinian refugees

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/caroline-palestinian-refugees

It is the prime of Caroline Glick. The contributing editor of the Jerusalem Post who grew up in Chicago and moved to Israel after graduating from Columbia University in 1991 had a showdown with European diplomats ten days ago in which she told them that their concern with Israeli settlements was a manifestation of anti-Semitism that goes back to Jesus.

A couple weeks before that, she got to spout three paragraphs of her intolerant ideas in a long piece in The New Yorker on the one-state reality:

Like Netanyahu, Glick sees a Palestinian state as little more than a staging ground for assaults on Israel. “The border will be permeable,” she said. “Jerusalem will be divided and people will walk in the Damascus Gate and then through the Jaffa Gate and murder people. There is no way of securing the country…”

Just more hate against he Palestinians while claiming victim status. Scary shit.

[Just for Fun]

1. ill give you a challenge.

Find me a historical state of Palestine. Go ahead. Im waiting.

[shira]

18. Those most hostile to Israel cannot accept challenges like that....

It causes cognitive dissonance.

So rather than discuss anything rationally WRT Israel - and mind you, they can never do that - they will probably call you a right-wing, pro-settlements, Bibi-supporting racist hater of all Palestinians for even asking that.

[Just for Fun]

21. The strange thing about me..

Is that I support Israel, and think that Abbas has blew his wad, and should shut up and accept what is current, because he couldn't figure out how to negotiate with the Israelis.

I have relatives in Israel, in the occupied territories which I think should be kept by Israel.

If Palestinians wants to co-exist peacefully with Israel, then they can, and not be a second class citizen. Israeli Arabs enjoy being a regular citizens, and have MP's in the Knesset - why can't the Palestinians do the same? Accept Israel for what it is, and abandon the concept of Palestine as its historical context was never discussed.

That's what interests me.

I'm not a Bibi fan. I am actually a Livini fan, and Herzog fan, so I'm glad they're combining forces to throw Bibi out - he's been an asshole for so long that he's blind on what the Israelis really want. And I don't mean the right-wing settlers.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

44. " have relatives in Israel, in the occupied territories which I think should be kept by Israel."

Well, that explains the hostility, and historical myopia, you exhibit towards the Palestinians.

IMHO, those who support illegal colonists from Israel also support having the Palestinians sit down, shut up and take it.

I'm curious. Do you personally know of any illegal Israeli colonists destroying Palestinian property or harming Palestinians in general?

[shira]

45. You mean the hostility & historical myopia that YOU exhibit....

....towards Jews indigenous to that region going back thousands of years.



To use more of your words as a mirror reflecting your views...

IMHO, those who support Hamas as defenders of Palestine who just fight back also support having the indigenous Jews of that area sit down, shut up and take it.

I'm curious. Do you personally know of any terrorists out to destroy Jewish property or harming Jewish Israelis?

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The smilies are just for you, RDO.

Thought you'd appreciate them since they appear in nearly every one of your posts as your substitute for making a coherent, rational argument.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. The illegal Israeli colonists are illegal, my poor friend.

But what is even more sad is your reluctance to admit Israel is a hostile apartheid state: intent on the colonization of the Palestinian people's lands.

I'm curious. Do you live in any illegal Israeli colony?

[Just for Fun]

48. not illegal

Far from it.

Palestine has no claim, and hasnt for 56 years. They dont even have the rights to the 1967 borders.

Gaza was given up, and look what Hamas did with it. You continue to support tub at, you are supporting the enemy.

[shira]

50. Curious. Do u support a genuinely peaceful 2-state solution? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

51. you're entitled to your opinion...

no matter how wrong it is.

[shira]

52. All you have are opinions, Mr. RDO. Nothing factual. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

54. Well, you tole me.

[shira]

49. People are never illegal. And you don't even know the meaning....

...of the term Apartheid, given your past unhinged remarks here.

The land you refer to is not remotely close to being the Palestinians very own exclusive land. You know that and have no factual evidence supporting your propaganda. So why pretend it's theirs exclusively and that the Jewish people have zero rights to the land?

It's absolutely revolting that you constantly show so much contempt for the indigenous Jews of Israel. You'd alert on anyone showing the same contempt you have but against Palestinians. So hypocritical...

I've always lived in the USA, Mr. RDO.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. 500k illegal israeli settlers are not indigenous

my poor misguided friend.

And, yes people can be considered illegal if they illegally colonize (i.e. steal) another people's land.

Please stop with the hyperbole. I'm embarrassed for you.

[shira]

55. That's like claiming 500K illegal First Nations are not indegenous....

...to their historical and cultural homelands.

My poor misguided friend.



First Nations aren't illegally colonizing another people's land, are they?

And you should be embarassed about your contributions to the discussion here, that's for certain.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

56. Illegal is illegal, shira. Israel needs to stop

exporting its citizens into the West Bank while hurting the Palestinian population.

But thank you for your continued support of illegal occupation.

[shira]

57. Neither the 1st Nations or Jews are illegal colonists in their own homeland. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

58. Now you are just being disingenuous,

and if anything the First Nations resemble the indigenous Palestinian population.

But knock you socks off with the poor comparison.

[shira]

59. You're entitled to have all kinds of ridiculous opinions. n/t

[Scootaloo]

2. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to claim she "nailed it."

[oberliner]

3. She did not actually say what you bolded

That is an invention of Mondoweiss.

[bemildred]

4. I like the demented look in her eye.

It explains a lot.

[aranthus]

5. That's not the only thing that she didn't say.

Weiss made up her saying that there were no refugees. There are people on DU who just don't care.

[Israeli]

9. Nobody needs to make up anything about Caroline Glick aranthus...

All you have to do is read her own website @
http://carolineglick.com/

...or read anything she has ever published .

[aranthus]

14. But they did

I'm not defending Glick (though she's right about some historical facts). I'm pointing out why Mondoweiss isn't credible.

[Israeli]

20. Its a sad state of affairs ....

...if you need Mondoweiss to teach you about Caroline Glick.

Every thing you need to know about her is on her own website aranthus.

She is not shy when it comes to her ideology

[King_David]

6. She is a right wing nutter that says a lot of crazy stuff

So I'm not sure why Mondoweiss has to invent more crazy stuff.

That's why most people except for 6 people in this group don't really take Mondoweiss seriously with anything at all.

[Israeli]

7. What she said oberliner was ...

" “Um-I-ah-I-I-I-I consider it to be an obsession, I consider Europe’s keen interest in the Middle East, specifically Israel, to be an obsession and it’s an obsession that Jews have seen from Europeans from the time of Jesus, and ah, and we know what it is. "

See and hear for yourself.. full video provided :

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/caroline-european-diplomats?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=6ace79a4d7-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-6ace79a4d7-398413317

[oberliner]

8. Exactly

I like how Mondoweiss transcribed the um's and ah's. You don't always see that in transcriptions.

Her comment (as seen from the context provided in the video that Mondoweiss is so excited about) is not in response to a question or statement about Israeli settlements but about Europe having a different standard for Israel than for other countries in the region (including Palestine) which the European diplomat freely concedes to be true (and claims is justified).

Mondoweiss just invents "she told them that their concern with Israeli settlements was a manifestation of anti-Semitism that goes back to Jesus." when neither the word settlements nor antisemitism appear in her quoted remarks.

Edit to Add: It's also extremely bizarre that the Mondoweiss "editor-at-large" takes and collects screenshots of Glick's speeches.

"If I had a dollar for every screen shot I’ve taken of Glick’s arias– I mean speeches– over the years, I could take my sisters out to a fancy diner, or two. I just trashed a whole file of them a couple weeks ago, wondering what on earth I would ever do with them. But I can’t help it, I am back to my old habits."

[Israeli]

10. Its a matter of choice oberliner.....

You can choose the path of Caroline Glick or the path of Shulamit Aloni.

I chose mine long ago .......thanks to Yigal Amir .

If there ever was a wake up call between American Zionists and us ...that should have been the day/night.

Seriously ... do you think for one moment that we will ever vote for those that were responsible for Rabin's assassination ??

Do you think for one moment that we dont know who was responsible for Rabin's assassination ??

We know oberliner......it was not a Palestinian that shot him in the back ....it was one of ours ....or should I say ...one of yours .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. Ober chooses to ignore a lot

that is critical of Israel and its supporters; even when those supporters are right wing loons.

[Israeli]

13. Ober chooses to be neither here nor there ....

Neither Caroline Glick or Shulamit Aloni.

He is a Centralist ....he chooses Tzipi Livni.

[Just for Fun]

17. Mondoweiss is not a credible source.

Find us another source.

Thanks!

Mondoweiss and Ma'an are rejected as whole here in DU. Please respect that, even though RDO doesn't.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. You were given a source so please stop with the whining.

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

[Just for Fun]

23. avoiding the question?

Please provide proof that Palestine existed prior to the 20th century. You still havent answered.

[Israeli]

24. You are answering to my post # 7....

.....which includes a video of Caroline Glick in her own words .

Excuse me if I dont take you seriously " Just for Fun " ......

I wasnt born yesterday KD .

[grossproffit]

29. I'm surprised they don't use electronic intifada as a source or storm front, for that matter.

[shira]

12. Lies and propaganda are at the heart of anti-Zionist BDS activism....

Not to mention support and defense of everything Hamas does.

You're not going to see any hostile opponents of Israel EVER acknowledging what Mondoweiss does.

It's a cult. The sheeple are not allowed to air any dissent, any criticism. It would be against the Palestinian "cause" and too pro-Zionist to admit to any Mondoweiss or anti-Zionist wrongdoing.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. I'm surprised, shira.

I would have expected you post to a link from at least 2002 to back up your claim.

What gives!

[shira]

16. Why don't you start by defending the title of your OP from Mondoweiss?

Is that true or false about Glick?

And the part you bolded in the OP too. When did Glick ever say that?

Or will you just deflect again rather than answer the simplest of questions?

[Just for Fun]

19. He still hasn't answered a very basic question

I asked him to show proof of Palestine, pre-20th century.

He hasn't... because it does not exist.

So therefore, Palestinians do not have any exclusive right to Israeli territories.

That includes Jerusalem.

[grossproffit]

27. That stumps all the Jew haters who disguise themselves as "freedom fighters."

Israel belongs to the Jews and will forever belong to them.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Be careful for what you ask for because you are about to get it.

Here's a map from the 1800s, late.

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Here's a map from the 1800s, mid/late.




Here's another.




Please take your fail to the nearest exit.

[Just for Fun]

34. Ahem. Not a fail - however....

it was owned by the Ottoman Empire. Palestinians still don't have a country of their own.

So it's still a double fail ON your end.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. From the mouth of your fail...

"Please provide proof that Palestine existed prior to the 20th century. You still havent answered."

Well, I did answer you.

Your failure was spectacular to behold.

The next time that you wish to make such a poorly thought out and clumsy statement you really should do a little homework first.

[Just for Fun]

38. You still failed - Palestine was/is still neither a country OR a state...

Just a part of Ottoman Empire.

Still a fail. Have a nice day. You just proved that you know nothing of the history of Palestine.

I just gave you a link of Jordan's view on Palestine - much like I said,Palestine only existed from 1918 to 1948.

A total of 30 years.

Israel has over 2,000 years of history and rightfully theirs. I even showed you the delineations of the historical Israel that was made by Abraham, but you rejected it as propaganda, when it's all facts.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

40. "Please provide proof that Palestine existed prior to the 20th century."

I did, and your failure continues to spiral to new depths.


I'm not sure how you can communicate while apparently unconscious, but it is quite a feat I must admit.

[Just for Fun]

41. Busy twisting my words?

BRITISH Palestine - as compared to plain old Palestine.

Please give me the Palestinian leaders name back then - also, you failed to answer shira's questions - what are the currency, the leaders, and the state of Palestine?

None exists.

You lose. Have a nice day!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. "Please provide proof that Palestine existed prior to the 20th century."

Why should I need to twist your words when you have stuck your foot in your mouth?

Wear your fail well, my friend.

[shira]

43. That's about all they can do is distort, deflect, and mock...

It's impossible to ever have a rational discussion with the most hostile, unhinged haters of all that's Israeli.

They're impervious to facts and reasoning.

It's political warfare. Nothing but hateful propganda.

[shira]

36. Palestine was a territory, never a sovereign state. Major Fail Mr. RDO.

If you believe it was ever a sovereign state with a distinct Palestinian culture, then where were its borders and what was the Palestinian Capital?

Name just one of the leaders (PM, President, King or Dictator) of the Palestinians prior to Arafat. What was the Palestinian currency?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Perhaps you should stomp you feet for emphasis.

[shira]

30. Predictable non-response #837 from you.

Tell me again how you only cite and respect "truth-tellers" when it comes to criticizing Israel.

Please, please!



Pitiful.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. Oh, I love pointing out evil people like Glick so other Glick-o-philes run to her defense.

It's like watching bigots defend David Duke.

[shira]

37. You used a source that told lies about Glick. So much for this "truth-telling".

And speaking of Duke, the Hamas-supporters from Mondoweiss did a puff-piece interview with him:

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/goldberg-presbyterian-divestment

They wouldn't even challenge his bullshit in that interview.

[PDJane]

26. Palestine existed, although it was an occupied country.

They just traded one occupier for another until Israel. Israel decided not just to occupy, but to take the land and disposses the people. In truth, the Palestinians are the equivalent of Native Americans or South Africans. They are the indigenous peoples, in spite of the propaganda that Israel spouts.

[grossproffit]

28. *snort* thanks for the chuckle.

[Just for Fun]

39. It was part of the Ottoman Empire from 1500s

until 1918 when Balfour Declaration created a Jewish state, called it British Palestine (hint, hint, it was never a country, but a territory dependent on British Empire) when Ben Gurion declared on May 1948 the creation of the state of Israel.

Then the War of Independence against the Arab countries. Israel has had several wars to defend from aggression, and won every single war.

Israel even captured Sinai from Egypt, but later returned it to them on a peace agreement.

Egypt hasn't bothered with Israel since then. Same for Jordan.