Riba u-turn over Israel boycott: 'We got it wrong'

[King_David]

British architects have reversed their call for Israeli counterparts to be suspended from an international union.

The Royal Institute of British Architects (Riba) confirmed the u-turn today when its council adopted a new policy on international affairs.

The move rescinded a motion which had been passed in March calling for Israelis to be barred from the International Union of Architects (UIA) in response to concerns about Palestinian human rights and Israeli settlement building.

Riba changed its stance after lawyers warned that such a policy was outside its charitable remit and could lead to Charity Committee censure.

The boycott is understood to have cost the institute more than £100,000 after Jewish supporters and groups pulled out of bookings to use its prestigious central London headquarters for batmitzvahs and other celebrations.


http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/126414/riba-u-turn-over-israel-boycott-we-got-it-wrong

[King_David]

1. Epic fail,

Who's next...

LOL

[King_David]

2. Israeli architects applaud Riba retreat from call for boycott

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/120079/israeli-architects-applaud-riba-retreat-call-boycott

[Scootaloo]

3. I find this part interesting

The boycott is understood to have cost the institute more than £100,000 after Jewish supporters and groups pulled out of bookings to use its prestigious central London headquarters for batmitzvahs and other celebrations.

Simply fascinating.

[King_David]

4. For sure ,

I wouldn't let my kid be barmitzvahed there either , I wouldn't use the Boy Scouts hall either.

[Scootaloo]

6. Really? Why not?

I mean, I get the boy scouts thing, seeing as how, you know, they actively work to persecute GLBT people both internally and externally through lobbying. But why not RIBA?

[King_David]

7. I think it's self explanatory

Same reason all those British Jews cancelled their functions.

[Scootaloo]

8. Why is that, though?

[shira]

9. Because the BDS movement is racist. BDS supports Israel's worst enemies....

...like Hamas who want Jews dead and Israel annihilated.

Why would u expect Jews to support organizations that call for harm against Jews?

[Scootaloo]

12. How did RIBA call for harm against Jews, like Hamas?

[shira]

13. They adopted racist BDS policy that would harm Jews.

Jews got pissed, as they should have.

RIBA did a U-turn.

This isn't rocket science.

[Scootaloo]

15. What harm did it cause Jews, like Hamas?

[shira]

16. It would be similar to adopting the Nazi boycott of Jews in the 30's & 40's.

Whether you agree or not, most Jews see BDS similarly today.

[Scootaloo]

17. so RIBA was running death camps for Jews? where?

[shira]

18. Where are u getting this shit from? It would be as bad as RIBA supporting....

...a nazi boycott from the 1930's. That doesn't make them responsible for nazi actions, but it calls into serious question their support for racist boycott policy.

Why are u playing games?

[Scootaloo]

21. So not actually "like nazis" at all. What harm did it cause jews, like Hamas?

[shira]

23. My turn. Would u have supported a Nazi boycott in the 30's and 40's....

...given that your support wouldn't lead to direct harming of Jews? If not, why would you oppose it? And what would you think of those who joined the Nazi boycott against Jews? After all, what harm are they doing?

[Scootaloo]

25. We haven't finished mine, Shira. What harm did RIBA cause Jews, like Hamas / Nazis?

[shira]

26. What harm did those supporting a Nazi boycott cause Jews? n/t

[Scootaloo]

27. We're not talking about Nazis, we're talking about RIBA. What harm did RIBA cause to Jews?

[shira]

31. No one has claimed RIBA is/was doing harm to Jews...

BDS wants to do harm to Jews. Supporting BDS is odious. That's why Jews turned against RIBA.

[Scootaloo]

35. Yes, you and David are. And I would like to know what harm was caused to Jews by RIBA.

[King_David]

20. Why did all those British Jews behave like that?

Are you saying that the British Jews that cancelled had no clue?

That Scootaloo somehow knows better than The British Jewish community about internal Jewish affairs?

I myself support this British Jewish communities action 100% and it was pretty damn effective .

They caved in to Jewish protest and power and action ....

.... complete reversal.

[Scootaloo]

24. I'm curious as to why. You and shira say it was harming Jews, I would like to know how

Especially since Shira has compared RIBA to both Hamas and Nazis, which seems to indicate the harm caused by RIBA must have been extremely dire. Maybe the "liberal;l media" didn't broadcast all the awful things RIBA did to Jews. So. You tell me, please?

[King_David]

30. Are you telling me you know better than the British Jewish community hat they sensed as being harmf.

It wasn't me who cancelled my kids barmitzvah .

So you know better about Jewish affairs than these Jews ?

Very interesting scootaloo...

Very interesting indeed , that you think that.

[Scootaloo]

39. I'm not telling anyone anything. I'm trying to find out what harm was caused. Can YOU tell ME?

[King_David]

48. OIC

[Scootaloo]

51. Well? What harm was caused by RIBA to the Jews of Britain?

[King_David]

54. eMail the British board of deputies and ask.

[Scootaloo]

55. You're the one asserting there was harm, so you ought to know. Why not tell me?

[King_David]

57. .

[Scootaloo]

60. Well? it's been asserted RIBA is like Hamas. like Nazis. You say there was harm done. Show me.

[King_David]

61. .

[Scootaloo]

62. Nothing?

[shira]

63. Scoot, you simply cannot read. No one compared RIBA to Hamas/Nazis....

Nobody claimed RIBA hurt or caused harm to Jews.

That they disappointed or offended Jews for supporting an odious boycott, there's no question.

Of course, you'll insist we said something that we didn't, so kindly point it out.

[Scootaloo]

64. I can read just fine, Shira. I'm asking that you two back up what you have said.

"Someone looking to harm Jews will not be supported by Jews."
"They adopted racist BDS policy that would harm Jews."
"Why would u expect Jews to support organizations that call for harm against Jews?"
"It would be similar to adopting the Nazi boycott of Jews in the 30's & 40's."
"It would be as bad as RIBA supporting a nazi boycott from the 1930's."
"Why did the Jewish community respond like they did In Britain and cancel there functions if no harm was meant to the Jews."

Show me where RIBA harmed Jews. it should be simple enough, right, since you and David are - well, were - so adamant about it. if you're confident enough to draw parallels between RIBA's decision, and the Nazi pogroms of Jews, then yes, I really want to see the evidence for what you are saying.

Neither of you have been able to back up any of your statements, at any level. And here, you are backing away from your own statements while Dave has gone incommunicado when pressed on his.

[shira]

65. No, you're just wasting time & being annoying as no one said...

..what you are claiming. What we said is that BDS seeks to harm Jews and anyone supporting that racist enterprise should be held accountable for doing so. Just as much as anyone supporting the Nazi boycott of Jews should be held accountable for supporting an odious cause meant to harm Jews.

That's it.

The rest is in your head.

We're done.

[Scootaloo]

66. I gave you quotes of yourself, with links to where you said it.

Show me the harm.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

72. Man, the fail keeps on getting stronger in these guys...

[King_David]

10. You don't get it ?

[Scootaloo]

11. Explain it to me, please. n/t

[King_David]

19. Someone looking to harm Jews will not be supported by Jews.

Pretty obvious.



What do you think the reason that so many Jews cancelled their functions there and so many Jews will no longer book their functions there ?

[Scootaloo]

22. So, what harm was being caused to Jews by RIBA?

[King_David]

28. Why did the Jewish community respond like they did

In Britain and cancel there functions if no harm was meant to the Jews.

Do you know better than those Jews about their perception of harm to the Jews?

Why did the Jews respond like they did?

[Scootaloo]

29. I'm trying to find out what that harm was. What harm did RIBA cause to Jews?

[King_David]

32. Why did the Jews there respond like they did?

You obviously think you know better than the Jewish community so help us out then .... Why were these many many many Jews in Britain wrong?

[Scootaloo]

33. I don't know, that's why I'm asking. What harm did RIBA cause Jews? Surely there's a laundry list

[King_David]

37. Send them an email and ask

But the one thing I know is the powerful action of the British Jewish community reversed their decision and was 100% effective .

MAZELTOV to those Jews , shcaich, victory is theirs .....

[azurnoir]

38. the action against RIBA it sounded rather like a BDS sort of thing

and you applaud it ?

[King_David]

43. I 100% applaud the action of the British Jewish community

Hence I used the word "MAZELTOV "

[Scootaloo]

40. You don't know what harm these British Jews were responding to?

[King_David]

44. It was a great victory perpetrated by the Jews in Britain

Against the Jew hating BDS movement.

No need wait for a pigs head to appear in their kosher store like the BDS did to the Jews in Johannesburg.

[Scootaloo]

49. How does RIBA hate Jews? What harm did the organization cause Jews?

[King_David]

52. The British Jews felt threatened enough to twke action

And managed to get the BDS reversed 100%

Why did the Jews do that .... Ask them .

[Scootaloo]

53. Threatened by what, exactly? You seem to know, so why not say?

[King_David]

56. ask em

Because those Jews can speak for themselves.

[Scootaloo]

58. Well, you're speaking for them right now, I'm sure you have a list of the harms RIBA caused them

[King_David]

5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart

Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britain’s leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects’ Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBA’s decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) “until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.”




http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp

[azurnoir]

14. good of you to post this article from April 21

and requiring Israel to observe International Law is bad-apparently

[King_David]

34. Umm no

So it's from April 21 ?

So what? It's not an OP

Is 4/21 an unlucky day or something? Is it like Friday the 13th?

[azurnoir]

36. No I just found it ummm interesting but what about that International Law thing?

you didn't address that at all why?

[King_David]

41. Didn't really want to take your bait and move off on different direction on this thread

I rather wanted to bask in the glory of the British Jewish community... Victory was there's in attaining a complete collapse and reversal and utter humiliation of this BDS attempt.

Shcaich to them.

[azurnoir]

42. the victory was attained via a BDS type action which is why I find this exchange amusing

to say the least and the so called bait was in your own post

Star Member King_David (10,090 posts)
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart

Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britain’s leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects’ Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBA’s decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) “until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.”




http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489395#post5

[King_David]

45. I guess they learnt well.

Also the days of passive Jews is over.

Nothing good has ever come of that.

Active yet peaceful... Shcaich

[azurnoir]

46. still not addressing what was in your own post why? it's on subject you brought to us

as much as say Woolworths in Johannesburg

[King_David]

47. The British Jews

Reversed a nasty BDS move.

Flawlessly

[azurnoir]

50. still not addressing this post again why?

Star Member King_David (10,090 posts)
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart

Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britain’s leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects’ Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBA’s decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) “until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.”

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489395#post5

[King_David]

59. Frustrating when I stick to thread topic huh ?

[azurnoir]

69. Not really because once again it was your own comment I'm askiing about

your refusal to address something that you threw into the mix can hardly be called "staying on topic"

Star Member King_David (10,090 posts)
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart

Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britain’s leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects’ Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBA’s decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) “until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.”

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11348939

[King_David]

70. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=89526

[azurnoir]

71. replying with a link to your comment that mine was in reply to?

it's not frustrating at all but let's review exactly what we're talking so that does not get lost, wouldn't want that would we?

your comment

Star Member King_David (10,090 posts)
5. U.S. Architects Criticize RIBA for its Stance on Israeli Counterpart

Well-known U.S.-based architects have taken issue with the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), Britain’s leading architectural association, for its political stand against its Israeli counterpart. According to the Architects’ Journal, Daniel Libeskind, Richard Meier, and Rick Bell, the executive director of AIA New York, have spoken out against the RIBA’s decision to seek the suspension of the Israeli association from the International Union of Architects (UIA) “until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords.”

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2014/04/140421-US-Architects-Criticiz-RIBA-for-its-Stance-on-Israeli-Counterpart.asp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11348939

and my inquiry relating to that

Star Member azurnoir (36,332 posts)
14. good of you to post this article from April 21

and requiring Israel to observe International Law is bad-apparently

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=89470

but it seems you do not wish to answer as to Israel's obligation(s) where international law is concerned; something that could be taken as an answer in and of itself

[leftynyc]

67. Yes they did

That's awesome. It looks like they decided NOT to make a ridiculous point.

[leftynyc]

68. LOL

They tried to make a ridiculous point and in return it cost them over 100,000 pounds. They obviously had foolish advisers who have trouble thinking ahead.

[Scootaloo]

73. Which WB settlement do you live in, leftnyc?

[leftynyc]

74. Now I remember why I had you on ignore

So you think because I think these people had shitty advisors who couldn't see ahead and see this biting them in the ass means I must live in a settlement in Israel. Because I disagree about the moronic bds movement, I must be one of those EVIL ISRAELI'S, right? You're really quite the schmuck - now scoot.