Seven minutes of terror: Indiscriminate fire at point blank range

[Jefferson23]

Eyewitnesses and police at the scene recount the terror attack at Kehilat Yaakov synagogue in Jerusalem, in which four people were killed.




Omri Efraim
Published: 11.18.14


The first call to report the attack at the Kehilat Yaakov synagogue in Jerusalem came at 7:01 am Tuesday. By 7:08, the police said, the attack was over and the two terrorists dead. In just seven minutes, they had murdered four people, including Rabbi Moshe Twersky, and wounded seven more.


The terrorists, cousins from East Jerusalem, had entered the synagogue compound armed with a gun and massive knives. Within minutes, two transport police officers had arrived at the scene.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4593379,00.html

[DetlefK]

1. Terrorists? Why not criminals?

[oberliner]

2. Terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Relatives identified the attackers as two cousins, Odai Abed Abu Jamal, 22, and Ghassan Muhammad Abu Jamal, 32. They were described as being motivated by what they saw as threats to the revered plateau that contains Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. Although Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has repeatedly asserted that he will not alter the status quo at the site, where non-Muslims can visit but not openly pray, President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority has called on Palestinians to protect the area and has warned of a “holy war” if it is “contaminated” by Jews.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world/middleeast/killings-in-jerusalem-synagogue-complex.html

[King_David]

4. That's why even Lapid is criticizing Abbas for incitement

President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority has called on Palestinians to protect the area and has warned of a “holy war” if it is “contaminated” by Jews

[Jefferson23]

8. Shin Bet chief says Abbas does not encourage terrorism, contradicting Netanyahu

Yoram Cohen, head of the Israel Security Agency, warns against changing the status quo on the Temple Mount in response to the violence, in order to avoid sparking a religious war.

Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) chief Yoram Cohen denied that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas intentionally incites terrorism, contradicting statements by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon.

At the opening of a meeting that dealt almost entirely with Tuesday's terrorist attack in a Jerusalem synagogue, Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee chairman Ze'ev Elkin (Likud) said the attack was not a coincidence; rather it is part of a wave of terrorism resulting from incitement by the Palestinian Authority's leadership.

"There is no doubt that we have to think of the correct response to this massacre from a security standpoint and in general, in dealing with the waves of incitement from Ramallah that influence Jerusalem," Elkin stated.

According to sources in the committee, which took place behind closed doors, Cohen said that Abbas and the Palestinian leadership have no interest in encouraging terrorism and he does not incite to violence.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Shin-Bet-chief-contradicts-Netanyahu-says-Abbas-not-responsible-for-inciting-terror-382145

You keep lapping up the Bibi rhetoric, see how that works out.

[King_David]

9. Your ridiculous pathetic meme of myself parroting Bibi doesn't stand up:

Kerry blames Palestinian leaders

Tensions appeared to have been somewhat defused last week following a meeting between Netanyahu, Kerry and Jordan's King Abdullah II in Amman. The meeting was an attempt to restore calm after months of violent confrontations surrounding a sacred shrine holy to both Jews and Muslims.

Israel and the Palestinians said then they would take steps to reduce tensions that might lead to an escalation.




http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/jerusalem-synagogue-attack-kills-4-canadian-israeli-citizen-among-8-injured-1.2838656



I don't think Kerry is lapping up Bibi's rhetoric now is he?

That's because it's not rhetoric... How utterly dissapointing Kerry , Obama must be for you.

There's no excusing this depraved terrorist attack ---- NONE

[Jefferson23]

10. Kerry is calling for home demolitions? Point me to that post. Kerry is proclaiming

Abbas as the one inciting? Point me to that one too.

You own your opinions regardless of the filters you attempt to use.

[King_David]

11. I take that reply as I proved my point,

Goalposts don't move in big time soccer .





And besides it was Oberliner's factually correct post that got you going here . Wasn't even my post

[Jefferson23]

12. Your posts are beyond disingenuous..but I believe you know that too. n/t

[azurnoir]

13. Lapid is calling or more Palestinian deaths and home demolitions

“We must take tougher measures, including those we have not taken before,” Finance Minister Yair Lapid (Yesh Atid) says.

“The houses of these terrorists must be demolished tonight, and the terrorists that set out to commit terror attacks must know that they will not return to them alive. We will spare nothing, we will act with a heavy hand in Jerusalem, we will not allow this to continue.”

Lapid echoes other Israeli leaders in blaming incitement by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas for the attack and adds, “Everything is on the table… they must know that neither they, nor their families, nor anybody else will escape unscathed from this kind of murder.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-terror-attack-leaves-four-dead/#ixzz3JQYGQQUp

[King_David]

14. What an awful bloody terrorist attack this was on USA citizens,

About these Terrorists:

Kerry said:

"This simply has no place in human behavior," he told reporters during a visit to London.

[azurnoir]

15. In that kerry is right what's your opinion about Lapids words do you agree?

[King_David]

17. Lapid is responding to one of the most awful

Terrorist attacks against USA Jewish citizens , even by Hamas' usual standards.

Impossible to decipher today what any lawmaker in the Jewish State says today in the face of the worst butchery imaginable.

[azurnoir]

19. I don't understand I asked if you agreed

not Lapid's possible motivations

[King_David]

20. You don't understand?

This was one of the worst types of butchery agains Jews .

And the government of Gaza praised this.

[shaayecanaan]

32. The Times of Israel suggested that it might be a case of mistaken identity

apparently the place next door was the shul of Ovadia Yosef, who is known for his racist comments regarding Arabs:-

Others, gathered outside the police barricades, suggested that the two terrorists worked in the neighborhood and that perhaps the target was the famous synagogue of the late Rav Ovadia Yosef, which is adjacent.

Read more: The silence of prayer, shattered in a synagogue bloodbath | The Times of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-jerusalem-terrorists-shatter-silence-of-prayer-with-synagogue-bloodbath/#ixzz3JUbtW31l

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[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. You pretty much just defined all

the illegal settlers in the West Bank, the IDF that supports their enterprise and the apartheid state that Israel has imposed on their captive population.

Neither terrorism against Israelis or Palestinians should be tolerated.

[oberliner]

6. Any Israeli settler who enters a mosque and kills Palestinians is a terrorist

As is any Palestinian who enters a synagogue and kills Israelis.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Now you choose to narrow your definition?

Goalposts, man, goalposts.

[oberliner]

33. Just providing examples that fit the definition provided above

Do you disagree?

[Shaktimaan]

29. Sorry, what?

So IYO, every settler, member of the IDF and the entire GoI is guilty of terrorism?

Very reasonable. Not at all totally fucking ridiculous.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. Ober defined it, and it fits.

If you can't deal with it...well...not my problem

[King_David]

3. As Kerry said:

About these Terrorists:

Kerry:

"This simply has no place in human behavior," he told reporters during a visit to London.

[Jefferson23]

16. Four Israelis killed in attack in Jerusalem synagogue

B’Tselem is shocked and abhorred by this morning’s ׂׂattack, in which Palestinians killed Jewish worshippers at the Bnei Torah Synagogue in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Har Nof. We extend our condolences to the families of the people killed and convey our wishes for a speedy recovery to the wounded.

B’Tselem strongly condemns any and all intentional assaults against Israeli or Palestinian civilians and reiterates its call to politicians and leaders to act responsibly and avoid fanning the flames of violence.

http://www.btselem.org/israeli_civilians/20141118_attack_on_synagogue

[King_David]

18. As does every decent human organization in this universe

Hamas congratulated , encouraged and praised this butchery of American Jews.

[King_David]

21. Maan ,

Relatives of the attackers, Odai Abed Abu Jamal, 22, and Ghassan Muhammad Abu Jamal, 32, said the cousins were motivated by what they saw as threats of a Jewish takeover of Al Aqsa and the death of a Palestinian bus driver in Jerusalem. The driver, Yousef al-Ramouni, was found hanged in his bus Sunday; the Israeli authorities say he committed suicide, but his family insists that he was lynched by Jews.

Chen Kugel, head of Israel’s forensic institute, said Tuesday that the autopsy found only evidence consistent with suicide, and that a Palestinian pathologist who attended concurred. But Ma’an, an independent Palestinian news agency, reported that the Palestinian doctor questioned the conclusion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world/middleeast/killings-in-jerusalem-synagogue-complex.html?_r=0

[Jefferson23]

22. Are you saying Ma'an misquoted the physician?

Isn't this your field?

[King_David]

23. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=87873

[Jefferson23]

24. Where does the NYT say he was misquoted? n/t

[King_David]

25. Where does anyone use the word 'misquoted'? BUT what the NYT did say is this :

Relatives of the attackers, Odai Abed Abu Jamal, 22, and Ghassan Muhammad Abu Jamal, 32, said the cousins were motivated by what they saw as threats of a Jewish takeover of Al Aqsa and the death of a Palestinian bus driver in Jerusalem. The driver, Yousef al-Ramouni, was found hanged in his bus Sunday; the Israeli authorities say he committed suicide, but his family insists that he was lynched by Jews.

Chen Kugel, head of Israel’s forensic institute, said Tuesday that the autopsy found only evidence consistent with suicide, and that a Palestinian pathologist who attended concurred. But Ma’an, an independent Palestinian news agency, reported that the Palestinian doctor questioned the conclusion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world/middleeast/killings-in-jerusalem-synagogue-complex.html?_r=0

[Jefferson23]

26. That is my question to your assertion the NYT knows the pathologist was misquoted by Ma'an.

Looks like the NYT does not know that...maybe they don't want to..like you.

[King_David]

27. Read for yourself the NYT article is pretty clear :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=87878

[Jefferson23]

28. It is clear they did not check with the pathologist, thanks. n/t

[shaayecanaan]

31. A senseless and terrible act

The rabbi killed was regarded as a political moderate. By all accounts the targeting of this particular location seems to have been random.

One of the attackers owned an apartment, the other didnt seem to have any real estate. Usually Israel destroys the houses of the families of Arabs that commit terror attacks (Jews who commit terror attacks, not so much).

Obviously, the Israelis couldnt destroy the apartment itself without bringing the whole building down, so they satisfied themselves by taking out all the furniture and trashing the tiles and carpet a bit (seriously):-

https://twitter.com/IsraelBreaking/status/534919024123977731/photo/1

ETA: sorry, that apartment is purportedly of the man who drove his car into the crowd at the light rail station.