Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumIn Exodus From Israel to Germany, a Young Nation’s Fissures Show
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/world/middleeast/in-exodus-from-israel-to-berlin-young-nations-fissures-show.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0On the one hand you have Jews going from France to Israel, but you have others leaving Israel to go to Berlin, Germany.. Interesting to say the least.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Narkis arrived in Berlin five months ago, he said, after first trying his hand in Paris. It seemed initially like a logical choice. His mothers parents immigrated to Israel from France, and he speaks fluent French. But, he said, besides the high cost of Paris, a virulent strain of anti-Semitism there drove him away after just a few months.
There are people there at protests yelling 'Jews, out of France, he said.
By contrast, he said he found in Berlin an atmosphere wholly welcoming to Israelis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/17/pudding-man-who-left-israel-for-germany-reveals-his-identity/
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)I think that is partly an issue of people in general being far more mobile in the past. And also of economic issues being important, both in themselves and in terms of the atmosphere they encourage. Germany is one of the better-off countries relatively speaking. France has been suffering economic decline and unfortunately this appears to trigger the latent xenophobia of certain sections of the country (anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, anti-immigrant bigotry, support for LePen). Not shown by all or even a majority of French people; but sadly commoner than it was.
FWIW, surveys suggest that currently the worst country for anti-Semitism in Europe is Greece - even worse than Poland or Hungary. And it may not be a coincidence that they are particularly affected by the economic mess. Blame the guess who's!
sabbat hunter
(6,838 posts)anti-semitism in Greece for years, it is heavily pushed by Golden Dawn.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Op-ed: Israel of 2014 is a nation state for rich Jews, high-tech workers and generals' children. So dont talk to us about Zionism.
Berlin protest's organizer
Published: 10.15.14, 00:12
The Israelis emigrating to Berlin have been called many things in the past week: Weaklings, Nazis, Holocaust deniers and degraders.
Finance Minister Yair Lapid said that we were "anti-Zionist," that we were leaving Israel for cheaper pudding and selling our values. Others say that Israel is clearly too expensive, but that we must stay here and fight from within for God's little acre that our nation has obtained.
Three years ago, the Israeli society united for a real fight, informing its elected representatives that something isn't working and needs to be fixed. I took to the streets too and participated in the protests, because Israel is my country and Hebrew is my language, and with all honesty I would rather live in Tel Aviv than in Berlin.
But that protest didn't work. The government changed, but the housing and food prices only soared. I am telling you straightforwardly, there is no point in waiting for elections. There is no point in sticking posts on politicians' walls and "liking" different protests on Facebook in an attempt to influence them. The people may be replaced in elections, the parties may change their names, but the politicians know very well who they work for and it not for us.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4580500,00.html
Israeli
(4,161 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Fact is I've been watching that issue almost since I've been here, Back when Sharon came to power and Bush and the Neolibs got the "market-based" economic dogma working in the Israeli economy. It always accentuates inequality, and in societies that are already class ridden it always results in large underclasses. Somewhere back ten years or so there are some posts I put up about the thriving Jewish scenes in Kiev and Berlin. And Germany wants them and will treat them well.
Israeli
(4,161 posts)Stop the presses and call our best commentators to the studio on the double! You wont believe this, but the price of the Milky pudding snack is cheaper in Berlin than it is in Tel Aviv. That, it turns out, is the real cost of living in the capital of Germany. Once every few months, we have to deal with a flood of telephone calls from producers of television programs who want to probe our shopping lists, as well as self-righteous, embarrassing articles trying to tell you that we are soft and spoiled and that the German discount supermarket chains have linked up with radical Islam to create a second Holocaust.
Do not believe anyone who tells you that we moved here for the Milky. Do not listen to anyone who closes his eyes and stops his ears at this social phenomenon, which crosses all borders and social classes, and yells Na-na-na-Nazis.
Do not cooperate with such shallow, lying populism. It is a distraction from the actual, deep problems that have made many of us get up and start our lives over elsewhere. Do you really think that people are willing to put themselves through the difficult experience of immigrating to a foreign country, where they do not speak the language, for a more affordable supermarket bill? That they are willing to tolerate the depressing weather of northern Europe and the severe lack of sun and sea for that? Let us open this discussion up for a moment and talk about the essential things that exist here and not there.
For instance, functioning and convenient public transportation that allows people to live on the periphery and work in the center. A police force that serves the citizens rather than the tycoons and heads of organized crime families. A feeling of personal safety. A strong social welfare safety net that helps you get back on your feet if you fall, even if you are a small-business owner and even if you are no longer young. Free education really free from age one until graduation from university. Free day care for children until age five. Affordable housing. Rent that is regulated by law so that it cannot be raised every year as much as the landlord wishes. A normal work day that allows parents to spend time with their children. Real maternity leave. A two-day weekend. Quiet. And just as important: Nobody pushes their nose into your private life and demands that you explain your decision to live in any given place, why your wife is not Jewish or why you are not married.
These things exist in many places on earth, not just in Berlin. After all, Berlin is not the issue, contrary to what people are trying to make you believe. It is nothing more than an example. An example of what we could have had. So the question that should be asked if the fact that people whom you do not know immigrate to a different country is really so disturbing to you is not why so many Israelis are leaving for Berlin, but simply why so many Israelis are leaving. Some people want you to believe that it is because of the prices at the supermarket. Heres a little spoiler: These are exactly the same people who promised you in the last election campaign that any minute, things are going to be just great.
The writer is an Israeli journalist living in Berlin.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.619810
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Contrary to the propaganda, most of the expansion of the Israeli economy has been fueled by debt and migration. The tech sector is only about 12% of the economy, and only employs about 9% of the workforce, even on its most expansive definition.