Autopsy shows Palestinian prisoner died after being tortured

[Jefferson23]

HEBRON (Ma'an) -- Palestinian detainee Raed al-Jabari, 35, died after being tortured while in Israeli prison custody, a Palestinian official said Thursday.

Issa Qaraqe, former minister of prisoner affairs, said in a news conference that the results of an autopsy showed that internal bleeding and a concussion were the cause of death.

Israeli Prisons spokeswoman Sivan Weizman told AFP Tuesday that he had hanged himself in a bathroom at Eshel prison.

She said a medical team had tried to revive him but that he was pronounced dead on arrival at Soroka hospital in the city.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=727056

[PDJane]

1. This is disgusting, and I suspect it's par for the course.

It's also just wrong. It's time the IDF was forced to accept civilian oversight (although in Israel, I'm not sure that would help) and it's time for the occupation to stop.

[Mao Shung]

2. I doubt

the Palestinian official making this claim has as much credibility as the Israeli prison spokesman denying it. It is a lot harder to lie when you work for a democratic government.

[PDJane]

3. No, it isn't. The US government does it constantly,

and the ideology prevents it from any big deal.

I would also point out that Israel is both a theocratic government and an occupier, both of which are against democracy.

[sabbat hunter]

4. Israel has

Rabbis making the final decisions on all rules/laws? Nothing passes without their sayso? That is what a theocratic government is (see Iran where nothing happens without the Grand ayatollah's say so. )

[PDJane]

6. Israel is not a democracy.

Israel is an occupying power, and there are separate rules for religions and classes. Democracies don't act that way.

[sabbat hunter]

8. there are NOT

separate rules for religions and classes for Israeli citizens.

and TONS of democracies have been occupying nations. The United States for one (occupied Japan, West Germany for starters)

[Shaktimaan]

10. Democracies don't occupy other countries?

You sure about that?

Israel has one law that treats Arabs and religious Jews differently, which relates to conscription. A law that obviously benefits arab Israelis. This makes Israel un democratic?

So accordingly, the US became a democracy when?

[Mao Shung]

5. misunderstanding of international law and the definition of democracy and theocracy.

The US government does not lie on anything close to the scale Hamas does. If you don’t believe that, you are not being objective. You can only lie so much in a democracy.

Israel is not a theocracy. Iran is a theocracy because its religious rules do not arise from a democratic process. When religious rules come from a democratic process, the government is not a theocracy. In the US, cities pay for Christmas trees. Dollar bills say “in g-d, we trust,” but the US is not a theocracy.

Moreover, occupied territory is legal under international law, quite common, and consistent with democracy.

[PDJane]

7. No, it isn't. Israel is signatory to the Geneva convention,

And the settlements in occupied territory are illegal under that convention. In fact, the wall around the water table in Gaza and the destruction there is quite illegal. An international court has demanded the destruction of that wall at least twice, and it is still standing. Nor is Israel giving the occupied territories the kind of quality of life that they are supposed to, under the dictates of the Geneva convention. The restriction of food and goods to and from Gaza has proven this.

The only people who don't realize that Hamas does not lie on the scale that Israel does and has, and that the settlements and the treatment of the Palestinians is illegal, are residents of the United States and their government.

Occupations cannot produce a free and democratic society, and never have. This is a fallacy. And while the Rabbis don't make laws, there are strict religious conditions on marriages and divorces, among other things, and those things are dictated by the religious right. The siting of settlements in the west bank are driven by the religious right as well. This is apartheid, and apartheid is not democracy.

[sabbat hunter]

9. occupied territories certainly are

legal under international law. The settlements are not though.

[Shaktimaan]

11. Never?

So you're saying that Palestine can never be a democracy because it's currently occupied by Israel?

Occupations cannot produce a free and democratic society, and never have.

What about Germany, Japan, France, Italy, etc.

[Shaktimaan]

12. So...

If the rabbis don't make any laws how is Israel a theocratic government?

[Mao Shung]

13. misunderstandings of law.

There is a difference of opinion whether the settlements are legal under the Geneva Convention.

See this article, discussing opinions on their legality from Australia’s Foreign minister and a Cornell law professor, and also noting the US does not call the settlements illegal.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/24/challenging-the-long-held-notion-that-israeli-settlements-are-illegal/

The claim that Israel acts illegally for giving a bad quality of life is hardly clear, given Israel’s right to lower the quality of life for military needs. The restrictions for imports were not strict enough to stop 350 truckloads of cement to be used to build the underground tunnels.

You say “there are strict religious conditions on marriages and divorces, among other things, and those things are dictated by the religious right.” They were dictated through a democratic elections process, at the urging of the religious right.

You say “The siting of settlements in the west bank are driven by the religious right as well. This is apartheid, and apartheid is not democracy.” Apartheid is democracy if everyone is given a vote. In south africa, blacks were not allowed to vote. Israel gives Israeli Arabs a vote. Under international law, people in occupied territory are not entitled to vote.

[Jefferson23]

14. Maybe Glenn Beck who owns that website along with the author, can help finance

lawyers for Israel..should they need it.