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Related: About this forumWhy It's Hard to Believe Israel's Claim That It Did Its Best to Minimize Civilian Deaths
8/13/2014
Idan Barir, Former Crew Commander, Israeli Artillery Corps:
Idan Barir is from Tel Aviv, Israel, and served in the Israeli artillery corps for many years, including during the Second Intifada. He served in places such as Jenin and Hebron. After witnessing immoral Israeli military operations, Barir refused to perform further military service and was jailed for this refusal in 2009. He is a member of Breaking the Silence, an organization of former Israeli military combatants.
Among the difficult reports streaming in from Gaza over the past few weeks, two especially painful events have captured my attention.
The first was the shelling of a UN school building in Jabaliya, where a number of families that had escaped or been forced to flee their homes had taken refuge. At least 15 civilians were killed, and dozens more wounded. Israel argued they were targeting an area from which fire had been directed at Israeli forces.
The second was the bombing of a bustling market in the Shuja'iya neighborhood. At a time of precious few opportunities for civilians to safely buy food and other vital supplies, 16 people were killed and around 200 were wounded. Shops, stalls and merchandise were burned or destroyed.
Harsh criticism of Israel followed each incident but -- as in the past -- Israel defended its actions, arguing that it was targeting militants and doing its best to avoid civilian casualties.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/idan-barir/israel-gaza-civilian-deaths_b_5673023.html?utm_hp_ref=world
4now
(1,596 posts)Of those, 222 were women and 418 were children.
This is from Washington Post Gaza counter.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
217 were armed Palestinian militants. Of those, 2 were children.
1396 were Palestinian civilians. Of those, 222 were women and 418 were children.
277 Palestinians had an unknown role.
Unless I am reading the page wrong, that seems like a lot of dead civilians. 217 militants and 1396 civilians.
Information on other organizations keeping a Gaza death toll count would be welcome.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)faisal akbar
(28 posts)It is hard to believe indeed. But tonight I am depressed, as the NY Times reports that Israel is winning. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/22/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)sounds like good news to me. Why are you depressed?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)is tragic. Israel needs to be better at minimizing civilian casualties. But at the same time Hamas needs to stop storing arms, launching rockets and missiles from civilian places like schools, homes and mosques.
hack89
(39,171 posts)And extend their war of "liberation" to the heart of Israel?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)very much
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)could ask egypt to let them in via the Rafah entryway. But I guess it is possible Egypt is not allowing them in either.