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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 04:07 PM Aug 2014

Egypt sources: Israel and Palestinians have agreed to 72-hour cease-fire

Unconditional cease fire.

Palestinian factions agree to 72-hour truce to go into effect at 8 A.M. Tuesday; Rockets hit south; 30 Palestinians wounded in Gaza; IDF strikes continued over course of Israeli-declared 7-hour humanitarian truce.

By Haaretz | Aug. 4, 2014 | 10:58 AM

Live updates [Monday]:

10:58 P.M. The Egyptian Foreign Ministry said that "following reports of a temporary cease-fire, negotiations for the implementation of the Egyptian initiative will begin. We call on the Israeli side and the Palestinian side to come to Cairo for open discussions on a permanent cease-fire and we hope to see stability in the region soon." [Kack Khoury]

10:38 P.M. Egypt has strong indications from Israel and the Palestinian factions that they will accept a 72-hour ceasefire in Gaza starting at 8 A.M. on Tuesday, Egyptian diplomatic sources said according to foreign media reports.

"Egypt's contacts with relevant parties have achieved a commitment for a 72-hour truce in Gaza starting from 0500 GMT tomorrow morning, and an agreement for the rest of the relevant delegations to come to Cairo to conduct further negotiations," an Egyptian official told AFP.

10:14 P.M. Sources in the Palestinian delegation in Cairo say Israel has agreed to the cease-fire proposal drafted by Egypt, following contacts between Jerusalem and Cairo over the course of the evening.

A senior source in Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' office said: "The ball is in Israel's court. The plan now is to preserve a ceasefire and then bring the other issues to the table." (Jack Khoury)

9:30 P.M. 63 mortar shells and rockets landed in Israel today, three of them in built-up areas, the IDF says. In all, nine additional rockets were intercepted by Iron Dome batteries. (Gili Cohen)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608723
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Egypt sources: Israel and Palestinians have agreed to 72-hour cease-fire (Original Post) Jefferson23 Aug 2014 OP
Soldier wounded in Jerusalem shooting, hours after digger attack kills one Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #1
Spain freezes arms exports to Israel over Gaza op bemildred Aug 2014 #2
For what it's worth, thank goodness...thanks for posting it. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #6
Rivera Spars with Outnumbered Panel over Israel Criticism, Cites Tattoo as Sign of Support bemildred Aug 2014 #3
NAM calls on ICC to prosecute Israeli leaders for war crimes bemildred Aug 2014 #4
Both sides prepare for new Gaza war crimes probe bemildred Aug 2014 #5
Once Abbas says Hamas should go before the ICC hack89 Aug 2014 #10
Who could write a more bizarre twist and turn of power plays that rests within this Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #11
I think it's going to drive us all nuts before it's done. bemildred Aug 2014 #14
War of words: Political concerns have watered down criticism of Israel’s military tactics bemildred Aug 2014 #7
The Horrific Results of Israel’s Good Intentions bemildred Aug 2014 #8
Despite harsh words, U.S. will keep sending Israel ammunition bemildred Aug 2014 #9
Huzzah oberliner Aug 2014 #12
+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #13
Top 5 Ways the US is Israel’s Accomplice in War Crimes in Gaza Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #15
Israel’s ATP Tennis Tournament Canceled by Gaza Strip Fighting bemildred Aug 2014 #16
Israel facing UK arms ban following bombardment of Gaza and death of nearly 2,000 Palestinians bemildred Aug 2014 #17
Abbas, Israel trade barbs over cease-fire collapse, PA ties with Hamas Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #18
See? I don't know what he (Abbas) will do. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #19
Yes. My thoughts are the US/EU will return to or at the very least, try to return to Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #20
Truce holding across Israel-Gaza border Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #21
British minister quits over Gaza policy Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #22
Can Netanyahu pluck peace from the rubble of Gaza? Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #23
Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #24

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
1. Soldier wounded in Jerusalem shooting, hours after digger attack kills one
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 04:58 PM
Aug 2014

Assailant in initial attack was shot dead by police; five people were wounded.
By Jonathan Lis and Ido Efrati | Aug. 4, 2014 | 5:42 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608782

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Rivera Spars with Outnumbered Panel over Israel Criticism, Cites Tattoo as Sign of Support
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:40 PM
Aug 2014

He may call Israel’s offensive operation against Hamas a “travesty” and “appalling,” but that doesn’t mean Geraldo Rivera doesn’t support Israel. Just look at his Star of David tattoo, he informed a panel of Fox News hostesses today.

Rivera took on the balance of the Outnumbered panel on Monday when he said “Israel has only itself to blame” for isolating itself and losing favor on the global stage with its “grossly disproportionate” missile strikes.

But the civilian deaths occur because Hamas uses women and children as human shields, argued Andrea Tantaros, calling Rivera “an apologist for a terrorist organization.”

“You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that to me of all people!” he shouted back. “There’s a Jewish star tattooed on my hand! I am a dyed-in-the-wool Zionist! I would die for Israel! This is appalling!”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384554/rivera-spars-outnumbered-panel-over-israel-criticism-cites-tattoo-sign-support-andrew

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. NAM calls on ICC to prosecute Israeli leaders for war crimes
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:41 PM
Aug 2014

(With POL-IRAN-KUWAIT-NAM) TEHRAN, Aug 4 (KUNA) -- The ministerial emergency meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) on Monday called on the International Criminal Court (ICC) to bring the Israeli officials to justice for the war crimes in Gaza.

In the final statement of the NAM Committee on Palestine meeting, the movement's FMs expressed indignation at the bloodbath in Gaza and urged the UNSC to stop the Israeli crimes against humanity.

They requested the international community, the UN and other international organizations and NGOs, to help provide the victims of the Israeli aggression in the Gaza Strip with humanitarian assistance on an urgent basis, according to the statement carried by Iranian media. The statement recognized the vital role of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in Gaza, including in addressing emergency needs during this period of crisis.

The ministers urged the international community to provide the necessary support to the Agency as well as to other UN agencies delivering humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people at this time of need, including the more than 180,000 Palestinians displaced in the recent period.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2390605&Language=en

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Both sides prepare for new Gaza war crimes probe
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:42 PM
Aug 2014

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — In a replay of the last major Gaza conflict, human rights defenders are again accusing Israel and Hamas of violating the rules of war, pointing to what they say appear to be indiscriminate or deliberate attacks on civilians.

In 2009, such war crimes allegations leveled by U.N. investigators — and denied by both sides at the time — never came close to reaching the International Criminal Court.

Some Palestinians hope the outcome will be different this time, in part because President Mahmoud Abbas, as head of a U.N.-recognized state of Palestine, has since earned the right to turn directly to the court.

Still, the road to the ICC, set up in 2002 to prosecute war crimes, is filled with formidable political obstacles.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/08/04/6018014/both-sides-prepare-for-new-gaza.html

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. Once Abbas says Hamas should go before the ICC
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:48 PM
Aug 2014

He will be dead. So he won't. So nothing will happen.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. Who could write a more bizarre twist and turn of power plays that rests within this
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

modern day conflict...I would not know.

I do wonder if Abbas will have the courage to tell his people beforehand if he feels there is
no way out through negotiations..he owes them at least that much.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. I think it's going to drive us all nuts before it's done.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:03 PM
Aug 2014

Abbas, I don't know. This is when things start to get really Byzantine, when the shooting stops (assuming that is where we are) and the lawyering begins.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. War of words: Political concerns have watered down criticism of Israel’s military tactics
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:43 PM
Aug 2014


Sticks and stones can break our bones; words, according to the playground rhyme, cannot hurt us. In Gaza, where children at school are killed by bombs, sticks and stones are the least of anyone’s problems. But in the wider diplomatic and public discourse about the current crisis, words – and the fear of misusing them – take on explosive power.

Pronouncements by politicians are always open to scrutiny and frequently to disapproval. More than most subjects, however, statements about the conflict in the Middle East are raked over by supporters of both sides for any sign of an agenda. Focus on the terrorism of Hamas, and be accused of dancing to the tune of Mark Regev, the smooth-talking Israeli spokesman. Question Israel’s right to fire missiles into populous areas, and be condemned as an apologist for Palestinian extremists or even as an anti-Semite.

Journalists are not immune from facing such accusations, either, but at least the media have the advantage of not having to contest elections. For politicians, there is an obvious imperative not to espouse an unpopular view, or even a controversial one. This is most apparent in the Prime Minister’s oft-repeated line about both Hamas and the Israelis needing to observe a ceasefire. Statesmanlike it is not. He might just as well say it is a war of two halves. Ed Miliband’s comments at the weekend that Israel’s actions in Gaza are “wrong and unjustifiable” were welcome to a point. But the fact that they were regarded as relatively severe in their condemnation also underlines why political bigwigs remain so anxious about how their words are likely to be interpreted. Howls from Downing Street that the remarks amounted to an outrageous attempt to win political points were indicative of the way in which politicians are forever paralysed by the dread of being on the wrong side of the argument.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/war-of-words-political-concerns-have-watered-down-criticism-of-israels-military-tactics-9648048.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. The Horrific Results of Israel’s Good Intentions
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:46 PM
Aug 2014

This morning, the New York Times published an investigative report on the deaths of 21 people at a United Nations school in Gaza on Wednesday. The school, located in the Jabaliya refugee camp, was serving as a shelter for more than 3,000 Palestinians who had fled their homes. The evidence so far indicates that Israeli artillery fire killed the victims.

If you see Israel as a bully, the Jabaliya incident looks like a massacre, one of many deliberate strikes on civilian targets. If you see Israel as inherently moral—the world’s only Jewish state, democratic, besieged, and acting in self-defense—the natural inference is that somebody else, no doubt Hamas, must be responsible for the error. But the evidence suggests that the truth may lie in between: Any civilized country could commit such an atrocity. That doesn't make it any less an atrocity. In fact, it makes the atrocity even more disturbing.

Here’s the evidence, as compiled by U.N. investigators and the Times. The U.N. operates many shelters in Gaza and regularly sends their GPS coordinates to the Israel Defense Forces. The IDF had the coordinates of this facility. Like other such facilities, it had a U.N. flag. Based on the munitions, shrapnel, calculated trajectories, and testimony from two dozen witnesses, U.N. investigators concluded that three shells hit houses across from the school, two hit a classroom where refugees were sleeping, and one hit a courtyard where men were praying. According to Times reporters Ben Hubbard and Jodi Rudoren:


… the number, trajectory and blast marks of the shells all point to artillery. United Nations officials said shrapnel from the site had codes matching unexploded shells recovered from other schools that munitions experts identified as 155-millimeter artillery shells. Damage indicated the shells came from the northeast—where Israeli artillery units are stationed on the hills outside Gaza’s border.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/08/gaza_shelter_massacre_how_israel_could_have_killed_21_civilians_at_a_u_n.html



bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Despite harsh words, U.S. will keep sending Israel ammunition
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:47 PM
Aug 2014

he U.S. is not rethinking its supply of munitions to Israel despite a string of recent State Department statements sharply condemning Israeli strikes that have killed civilians near U.N.-run shelters and schools in Gaza.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Monday that the U.S. would continue to supply Israel with ammunition under previous agreements and said the agency's concern about how those munitions are being used would not impact U.S. support for Israel to defend itself against rocket attacks from Hamas.

“Our concern is Israel should hold themselves to a higher standard” when it comes to limiting civilian casualties, Psaki said.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/despite-harsh-words-u.s.-will-keep-sending-israel-ammunition/article/2551651

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. Top 5 Ways the US is Israel’s Accomplice in War Crimes in Gaza
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:05 PM
Aug 2014

The US State Department became a little testy with Israel on Sunday over the 6th school shelling by the Israeli military, which killed 10, saying

“The United States is appalled by today’s disgraceful shelling outside an UNRWA school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons, in which ten more Palestinian civilians were tragically killed,” reads the statement from State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki. “We once again stress that Israel do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties.”

As for the standard Israeli military pretext for such war crimes, that Hamas was hiding out in the school or firing from the school, no reporter on the ground has seen any evidence of any such activity by Hamas in schools where there are people. Then the Israeli military obfuscates things by saying that Hamas was “in the area.” Since Gaza is so small, I suppose they are in the area of almost everything. But the State Department didn’t let Tel Aviv off the hook this time: “The suspicion that militants are operating nearby does not justify strikes that put at risk the lives of so many innocent civilians.”

Despite this bold criticism, the State Department and the US government won’t actually do anything about Israel’s lawlessness in Gaza. That is because the US is a full ally of the Likud government in its war on Gaza, which is configured as a fight to destroy or attrite the capabilities of the Hamas party-militia, a Muslim fundamentalist movement that has foresworn any attack on US facilities or interests. As the head of US military intelligence recently testified, however, if Hamas were destroyed something worse would almost certainly take its place. That is because you can’t expect people to live the way Israel makes them live in Gaza without their forming a resistance movement. Since they are kept poor and on the edge of hunger, the resistance movements they throw up are lean and hungry, and as ruthless as the Israeli army.

Here are the ways that the US is actively helping Israel in its war on Gaza:

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/israels-accomplice-crimes.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. Israel’s ATP Tennis Tournament Canceled by Gaza Strip Fighting
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:06 PM
Aug 2014

The ATP Tour canceled its inaugural $1 million Israel Open men’s tennis tournament in Tel Aviv because of fighting in the Gaza Strip between Israel and the Palestinians that’s lasted almost four weeks.

The tournament, scheduled for Sept. 15-21, was set to become the first ATP World Tour event held in Israel since 1996. It was previously hosted in St. Petersburg, Russia.

“Sadly, we do not feel we can proceed as planned given the situation in the region,” ATP President Chris Kermode said yesterday in a statement on the organization’s website. “Ensuring the security of our players, fans and all those involved in organizing a world-class event is our number one priority.”

Kermode said the ATP Tour hopes to hold the tournament in Tel Aviv in 2015.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-04/israel-s-atp-tennis-tournament-canceled-by-gaza-strip-fighting.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. Israel facing UK arms ban following bombardment of Gaza and death of nearly 2,000 Palestinians
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:07 PM
Aug 2014

Britain is reviewing its arms sales to Israel after the bombardment of Gaza, Downing Street has said.

This came as it emerged that the Foreign Office were “urgently investigating” claims that a British aid worker has been killed in Gaza.

The Government had approved the export of military goods, including missile parts and drone components, to Israel worth more than £7.8billion last year.

But No10 has now ordered an item-by-item check of the export licences after the slaughter in Gaza which has killed 1,797 Palestinians, most of them civilians.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-facing-uk-arms-ban-3992021

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. Abbas, Israel trade barbs over cease-fire collapse, PA ties with Hamas
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:16 PM
Aug 2014

Abbas said that Friday’s ceasefire “collapsed within two hours as a result of the continued Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip.”

Israel and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas traded barbs on Sunday, with Abbas blaming Israel for the collapse of Friday’s cease-fire, and Israel slamming Abbas for his unity pact with Hamas.

Contrary to what the US determined, Abbas said Sunday that Friday’s ceasefire “collapsed within two hours as a result of the continued Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip.”

The US- and UN-brokered cease-fire went into effect at 8 a.m. Friday morning. An hour later, Hamas attacked IDF soldiers in Rafah, killing three, including Lt. Hadar Goldin.

Abbas called on the international community to intervene immediately to commit Israel to halt its attacks on the Gaza Strip and accept the Egyptian cease-fire initiative, which was announced a few weeks ago. Israel accepted that cease-fire proposal, while Hamas rejected it.

“Israel is continuing its aggression, crimes and war on our Palestinian people,” Abbas said. “In the last 27 days, Israel has killed and wounded 17 Palestinians every hour. It was also killing a Palestinian child every three hours.”

Ambassador to the US Ron Dermer, in an interview on NBC, slammed the Palestinian Authority for being in alliance with “a genocidal terror organization.”


http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Abbas-Israel-trade-barbs-over-cease-fire-collapse-PA-ties-with-Hamas-369955

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Yes. My thoughts are the US/EU will return to or at the very least, try to return to
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:41 PM
Aug 2014

Kerry's plan..what else do they have to offer Abbas? I am reluctant to say how Abbas
will deal with the pressure from within Hamas and the pressure from us. I don't mean
to disparage the man, yet he is old and not the wisest man, and not the most courageous.

I see glimmers of opportunity before the PA, Fatah and Hamas..but they would have to
give serious consideration of serving up their own to the ICC for the benefit of future
generations of Palestinians. They would also need to inform their people of what may
be coming that would in fact, prevent them from a viable state. I realize I repeat
that ad nauseam..and I do so because of what we learned were the intentions
of the earlier plan..that Abbas was evidently going to give in and accept.

Not only would they be denied a viable state, I think you would agree that could very well leave
an opening for a new breath of a more dangerous type of resistance in it's aftermath.

I also see how Abbas is stranded without the Arab League for support as they conceded
to Kerry with the change made to the Arab Initiative, which agreed to support devastating
land swaps.

An informed public who has the temerity to have lived through almost 50 years of occupation
should be given the benefit for a call to civil disobedience in conjunction with legal measures
at the ICC. Once any agreement is signed, the powers that be will have their terrible plan
ratified at the UNSC and it will be over for the Palestinians. That is my understanding of how
serious it is for Abbas and all the other players on his side to get it right this time.







Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. Truce holding across Israel-Gaza border
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 09:42 AM
Aug 2014
IDF commander warns Hamas: Breaching truce would be serious mistake; rocket barrage targets Israel moments before 72-hour cease-fire due to begin; all IDF forces pull out of Gaza.

By Haaretz | Aug. 5, 2014 | 4:20 PM

Live updates [Tuesday]:

4:20 P.M. The security cabinet will meet at the Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv at 5:30 P.M. (Barak Ravid)

4:07 P.M. "The test will take time, we need to do everything to prevent Hamas from constructing attack tunnels, even if it means [IDF] ground operations," GOC Southern Command Maj. Gen. Sami Turgeman told reporters after all of IDF forces left the Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning and completed its operation to destroy all known tunnels leading from Gaza into Israel. The IDF's Gaza Division plans to continue and demolish a number of tunnel shafts located in Israeli territory in the near future.

"It took Hamas years to build its flagship project, the tunnels. We've completed our mission in full, we've located and destroyed all infiltration tunnels," he said. "Operation Protective Edge is not over. The forces are deployed around the Strip ready to continue."

To residents of communities near the Gaza border, Turgeman said that they can return home safely. "I am certain that the operational reality [around Gaza] is better and safer." Turgeman also had a message for Hamas, which violated several humanitarian cease-fires during the four weeks of the operation. "If Hamas breaches this cease-fire, it would be a grave mistake. Hamas was hit very hard and I think as a result of the operation, there is significant deterrence potential."

3:35 P.M. Attorney General rejects MK Haneen Zoabi's request to see investigative materials against her. Zoabi's representatives responded by saying that while she disagreed with the AG's decision, she would willingly present herself at the hearing in order to give a statement and clarify her version of the events. Zoabi was suspended from Knesset for a period of six months over allegations of incitement and defending the West Bank kidnappers. (Revital Hovel)

3:20 P.M. Residents of towns on the Gaza border will hold a tent protest outside the Knesset at 6 P.M., calling on the government to ensure the their communities continue to be granted security support. (Shirley Seidler)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608928

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. British minister quits over Gaza policy
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 09:59 AM
Aug 2014
LONDON (AFP) -- A British minister resigned on Tuesday over the government's policy on Gaza.

Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, a minister at the Foreign Office and minister for faith and communities, wrote on Twitter: "With deep regret I have this morning written to the Prime Minister & tendered my resignation. I can no longer support Govt policy on #Gaza."

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron's coalition government has drawn criticism, including from the main opposition Labor party, for not taking a tougher line against Israel over its operations in Gaza.

On Monday, Cameron said the United Nations was "right" to condemn an airstrike near a school in Rafah on Sunday which killed 10 people but would not say whether he thought it was a "criminal" act.

Warsi's parents were Pakistani immigrants and she was made a member of parliament's upper House of Lords in 2007.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=718352

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. Can Netanyahu pluck peace from the rubble of Gaza?
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 10:51 AM
Aug 2014
Some indications suggest that Israel is planning to use the operation in Gaza for a new diplomatic initiative.

By Matthew Kalman | 23:39 04.08.14 |


Palestinians look for survivors under the rubble after an Israeli strike, Gaza, August 4, 2014. Photo by AP
Was Operation Protective Edge just another round in Israel’s ongoing battle with Hamas in Gaza, the latest installment of an occasional series that began with Cast Lead in 2008 and continued with Pillar of Defense in 2012?

Are Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza doomed to repeat this bloody scenario with ever-increasing frequency?

Or is Netanyahu playing a longer, deeper game? Can he pluck a diplomatic victory from the smoking rubble that will eventually benefit both Israelis and Palestinians?

There are indications that this last hellish month was more than just a gruesome Gaza Groundhog Day of death and destruction. There is a chance that Netanyahu is planning to use this war to create peace.

Netanyahu gave us a peek beneath the surface of the shifting diplomatic landscape on Saturdaynight when he referred to the unprecedented regional backing for Israel’s move against Hamas, calling it a “very important asset.”

He was referring to the deafening silence in the Arab world for the past month, where criticism of Israel has been muted – and matched by criticism of Hamas.

Sissi’s Egypt has clearly sided with Israel, destroying tunnels under Rafah and cutting off the flow of arms and cash to Hamas. Saudi Arabia is quietly backing the Egyptians. On Friday, King Abdullah condemned Israeli actions but also denounced the “shameful and disgraceful terrorists … trying to hijack Islam and present it to the world as a religion of extremism, hatred, and terrorism.”

The quiescence of the moderate Arab world, which sees in Hamas an extension of Iranian influence that threatens them as much as it threatens Israel, could create the conditions for a historic diplomatic reboot.

“At the end of the battle and the operation, it will open many new possibilities for us,” Netanyahu said, referring to the silent support of the Egyptians, Saudis and their allies.

The tacit approval for the destruction of Hamas extends to the Palestinian Authority, where President Mahmoud Abbas has insisted that the unity agreement signed earlier this year must involve the dismantling of Iz al-Din al-Qassam, the armed wing of Hamas. Abbas’s frustration with the Hamas militia boiled over in public as the Israeli air attacks began, when he blamed Hamas, not Israel, for the rising tensions.

“What are you trying to achieve by sending rockets?” Abbas asked in remarks broadcast by Palestine TV in early July. “We prefer to fight with wisdom and politics.”

“It’s not important who wins or loses,” he said. “What’s important is to end this bloodshed.”

Aside from issuing some low-key, pro-forma denunciations of Israeli actions in Gaza, Abbas’s government has been almost mute.

As Barak Ravid pointed out in these pages Sunday, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni has long been pushing her Israeli cabinet colleagues to stop branding Abbas as an extremist and start to see him as a potential partner, not a problem.

The almost complete lack of popular protest on the West Bank – barring isolated “days of rage” after repeated Hamas pleas – is no coincidence.

Several weeks ago, Palestinian security forces went house to house in the West Bank, collecting the remaining weapons still held by the grassroots fighters of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the people who headed the Second Intifada. They are Fatah, supporters of the PA, not Hamas. The clear aim was to stifle any emergence of the much-predicted Third Intifada.

That creates a new range of options for Israel once the fighting ends. But Netanyahu must also consider his domestic constituency. Before sending in the troops, Netanyahu knew that two of his predecessors, Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, were driven from office after failed military operations against the Palestinians and Hezbollah.

In a poll of Jewish Israelis conducted last week by Dr. Yuval Feinstein at the Sociology Department of Haifa University, 86% of respondents said the only reason for ending hostilities would be the complete cessation of rocket fire. 85% said the fighting must not end before the Hamas tunnel network is permanently decommissioned. 51% said the aim of the operation should be the overthrow of the Hamas regime in Gaza. Without a long-term diplomatic solution, any and all of these will be hard to achieve. The next round will only be a matter of time.

If Netanyahu is seen to agree to a ceasefire now when the Israeli public believes that the job is only half done, that the Hamas military infrastructure is still in place, then he will be perceived as having been defeated and not having scored a decisive victory against Hamas. He knows that he would be facing almost certain defeat at the polls in the next election if he is perceived as not having finished the job.

But if Netanyahu can leverage a pullout from Gaza by creating a historic opportunity for peace, he might transcend the narrow interests of his party and win the support of the majority of Israelis who still want to see a viable two-state solution to the conflict with the Palestinians.

Once Israel has destroyed Hamas’s military capability – primarily the tunnels and rockets – logic suggests that Israel has two options: either withdraw and wait for the next round, or reoccupy Gaza.

But there is a third way, endorsed last week by Maj. Gen. (ret.) Israel Ziv, former head of the IDF Operations Directorate. That would be to use the current diplomatic climate as a launchpad for a new diplomatic initiative.

The first step would be to place Gaza under the protection of an international peacekeeping force led by Egypt to prepare for new elections. According to all the polls before Operation Protective Edge began, Hamas’ popularity in Gaza has been plummeting. Their increasing weakness was a key factor in their decision to accept the unity agreement with Fatah earlier this year that foresaw the end of Hamas rule in Gaza.

The election will pave the way for the return of PA control to Gaza and political reunification with the West Bank without the threat of Hamas and other radicals undermining the calm.

Egypt’s reward will be the opportunity to rebuild its economy with backing from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia – who see the suppression of Hamas as a key element in pushing back the tide of radical jihadism now sweeping the Arab world.

Israel has always opposed the introduction of international forces, but in the current climate it just might work to the advantage of everyone – except Hamas.

“Unlike in previous rounds of fighting, Israel and Egypt will ensure that Hamas will be unable to rebuild its force – Egypt by continuing to prevent smuggling and Israel by the freedom of action it has reserved itself in a unilateral move in which it decides the rules of the game, chiefly, the prevention of Hamas’ force buildup,” says Maj. Gen (ret.) Amos Yadlin, director of the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University and a former head of the IDF Military Intelligence Directorate.

And that will herald Netanyahu’s moment. If – and it’s a big if – all this comes to pass, it will present Israel with the best conditions to make peace with the Palestinians since the death of Yasser Arafat, with strong regional backing from the moderate Arab world.

If this is indeed what Netanyahu has in mind, he will need to summon all his rhetorical and political skills to carry his party with him to the inevitable conclusion: a demilitarized Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza headed by Mahmoud Abbas.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/outside-edge/.premium-1.608894

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip,
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 10:56 AM
Aug 2014

and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters'

Moshe Feiglin is Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset
He posted the message on his Facebook page at the weekend
Plan includes shipping the people living in Gaza across the world
IDF would 'exterminate nests of resistance' as part of his plan
The Gaza war has left more than 1,800 Palestinians dead

By Jill Reilly

Published: 07:09 EST, 4 August 2014 | Updated: 05:10 EST, 5 August 2014

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Moshe Feiglin called for concentration camps in Gaza in his action plan
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Moshe Feiglin called for concentration camps in Gaza in his action plan

An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza and ‘the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters’.

Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend.

He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza - which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The message, which received more than 2,000 likes on his page, lists four action points which he wants to be enforced as soon as possible.

Feiglin details the first one as 'defining the enemy' and states: 'The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)'

He says another important part of his plan is the 'conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.'

Moshe Feiglin is Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu¿s ruling Likud Party, and posted the message on his Facebook page at the weekend
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Moshe Feiglin is Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, and posted the message on his Facebook page at the weekend
He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza - which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
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He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza - which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

The Gaza war, now in its fourth week, has left more than 1,800 Palestinians dead.

Feiglin details how he wants the Israeli PM 'to turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians.'

In 1948 Jaffa was a Palestinian town but there was an exodus of most of its Arab population when it fell to the fledgling Israeli army and right-wing Jewish militias.

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In the letter he expresses his desire for the IDF to find areas on the Sinai border to establish 'tent encampments...until relevant emigration destinations are determined.'

He says that the supply of electricity and water to the Gaza would be disconnected before being 'shelled with maximum fire power.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html#ixzz39Wu5LZV0
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