Gaza conflict: Hamas vows no Israel ceasefire

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In an audio recording, Mohammad Deif, commander of Hamas' military wing, said his soldiers were "eager for death".

His message emerged at the end of a destructive day in Gaza that left the territory's power plant in flames.

Israeli strikes killed more than 100 Palestinians, raising the total killed to more than 1,200, Gaza officials say.

Most of those deaths have been civilians, and 6,700 Palestinians have been injured, according to the Gaza health ministry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28554477

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1. Hamas airs video of cross-border tunnel raid on Israeli army

http://uk.reuters.com/video/2014/07/29/hamas-airs-video-of-cross-border-tunnel?rpc=401&videoId=329200089&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews&rpc=401&videoChannel=1

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2. Barrage of rockets fired on Israel: Israeli police

Baku-APA. A Barrage of rockets was fired on Israel from the Gaza Strip late on Tuesday, Israeli police said, APA reports quoting Anadolu Agency

It added on its website that the rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip on different parts of Israel.

A short time earlier, Qassam Brigades, the military arm of the Gaza-based resistance movement Hamas, said in a televised address that it would not accept a ceasefire in Gaza before Israel lifts the blockade it has been imposing on the tiny enclave since 2006.

Qassam added that Israelis would never enjoy security so long as Palestinians do not enjoy this security.

http://en.apa.az/news/214529

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3. Foreign Ministry proposes Israeli Security Council resolution for end to war

Diplomatic initiative to end the fighting via a Security Council resolution is similar to the way the Second Lebanon War was ended.

By Barak Ravid | 00:42 30.07.14

The Foreign Ministry has advised Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to initiate the drafting of a United Nations Security Council resolution on the terms for ending the war in the Gaza Strip, a senior Israeli official said on Tuesday.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607936

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4. Yeah, they are talking about itin Egypt too.

Apparently they have decided Hamas must be included, so they may get somewhere, but I wouldn't hold my breath. However, I think the "shock and awe" shit should end soon.

The UNSC thing would likely be a way to get around Hamas, so I don't know how that would go, it would depend on what it says.

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9. I hope the killing ends asap..true about the UNSC..could be a clever move on Israel's part.

I would think it could leave Abbas to pick a side too.

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10. Past resolutions have done little to change the dynamic,

they just freeze everything in place, and usually they call for the less well armed party to disarm; and they, of course refuse to do so unilaterally.

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13. Ok, that makes sense. On your other note, you have more faith in these parties than I do.

The ones I trust the least are the ones with the most power.

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14. I always assume people will see their own self interest, if it's rubbed in forcefully enough.

That is often too optimistic, but I see little advantage in being pessimistic, so ...

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18. There is no advantage to being pessimistic, it's just that is where I am. n/t

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24. Well, yeah.

It 's hard to see it working out well for anybody.

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25. It is and I will add, I have no idea what constitutes " gone too far " for the US before they

change course and act as strongly as they can. It seems limitless for us, and
the main reason I am pessimistic.

I did notice your post with former SoS Clinton's carefully chosen words of criticism,
interesting.

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26. Yeah, there are rumblings.

We are on new territory here, I think.

And this cannot go on forever, logistics stores are being used up a high rates, and they cannot be refreshed at a moments notice.

And money is being pissed away at an alarming rate.

Edit: and very soon, there will be starvation and disease cropping up in Gaza, as things are now.

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11. It's like I said, I think it is going to take a while for everybody to grasp the situation

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and reach an agreement everybody will accept. Wish I was wrong. And it better work this time, or next time will be worse.

As you must of noticed, there are boatloads of ignorant, vicious airheads running around and inciting violence and hate on both sides, and politicians on both sides who habitually throw said airheads fresh meat to shore up their political positions.

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5. Left out the part about the ?Hamas militia just wanting no blockade and no occupation before a

ceasefire, but so does everyone in the American media, you are forgiven.

Gonna need some spare parts for their only power plant for example, it suffered a slight mechanical problem, it has an Israeli American made missile delivered by an American made fighter jet stuck in it.

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6. If you want to talk to me, you have to read the posts enough to know what they say:

"We don't accept any condition of ceasefire," the Associated Press quoted Hamas commander Mohammad Deif as saying. "There is no ceasefire without the stop of the aggression and the end of the siege."

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7. End of the aggression and stoppage of the siege....are the same thing as I what I said! Geesh.....

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8. All right, I'll be nice.

But to be clear, I left nothiing out, and neither did the OP.

You are correct as far as what you said about what Hamas wants.

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12. it was said in another thread

that other arabs hate the Palestinians. I said that was wrong.

But maybe that needs a correction. I think Hamas hates its fellow Palestinians. Its leaders definitely show no care if the people die, nor if their terrorist followers die. Deif said his soldiers were "eager for death". I have an idea Deif, how about you lead the charge in to battle, in nice safety orange so you can be spotted easily. Are you as eager for death as you claim your 'soldiers' are? Probably not. The leaders of these terror groups never want to put their own lives on the line, only the lives of others. They want suicide bombers, but they are never willing to strap on those bombs themselves for 'the cause'

Deif, like most terror leaders is a coward.

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15. Nah, they are believers, it's always true believers.

People who think their ideology or religion is more important than other people, people who set out to remake the world anew in their own image. It's ubiquitous, everywhere, very popular. He (Deif) thinks he is leading a great crusade to free his people. And he thinks he has Israel by the balls now, for the first time, and he's going for it.

And Bibi is delusional too, or he wouldn't be doing this, he is going to regret it, he regrets it already. It's a PR disaster, for one thing.

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16. Hamas presents list of demands for a cease-fire

JERUSALEM - Hamas rulers have presented a list of demands to stop their fire on Israel in the Gaza war. Israel has said it doesn't want to reward Hamas for its rocket campaign, but has other reasons to oppose the demands - mostly based on security.

Here's a look at Hamas' list of demands and why Israel is unlikely to accept many of them:

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Hamas is demanding an "immediate cessation" to Israel's war against it in Gaza, which has hit thousands of Hamas sites, according to the Israeli military. Israel has agreed to several temporary, humanitarian cease-fires but says it will not halt its fire before ending incessant rocket fire from Gaza and destroying Hamas' network of tunnels that have been used to infiltrate Israel and carry out attacks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-presents-list-of-demands-for-a-cease-fire/

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23. This list is suppose make Hamas look unreasonable? n/t

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17. Israeli Arabs: 'We are all Gaza'

RAMALLAH, West Bank – Three weeks into Israel’s bombing campaign of the Gaza Strip, West Bank Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are beginning to display the kind of fury and cohesion that Israel hasn’t seen since the so-called second intifada, or uprising — a five-year-long grind of violence, notorious for suicide bombings and brutal crackdowns.

In the West Bank, the Ramallah municipality has papered billboards with signs that read, “We are all Gaza.” A large screen hanging on a building downtown shows a montage of children suffering in the enclave.

Last week, 10,000 Palestinians marched on an Israeli checkpoint at Qalandiya in the West Bank, hurling firebombs and burning tires.

Arab citizens of Israel have staged demonstrations in Nazareth, Haifa, Umm el-Fahem and Sakhnin. They’ve declared a general strike.

http://www.startribune.com/world/269148051.html

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19. Ya'alon: No time and place limits when tunnels are concerned

Yoav Zitun
Published: 07.30.14, 15:52 / Israel News

Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Wednesday that "there are no limits of time and place when Gaza terror tunnels are concerned.

We will reach everywhere we know tunnels and tunnel shafts are located, even if it means going deeper in territories we haven't been before"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4552360,00.html

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21. Demented. nt

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22. Yep, deeply so. n/t

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20. The tunnel threat gives Israel’s Gaza offensive its legitimacy ( Haaretz Editorial )

Benjamin Netanyahu must distinguish between concrete military objectives and the desire to settle scores with Hamas.

Haaretz Editorial | Jul. 30, 2014 | 5:19 AM

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon have made the destruction of the tunnels emerging from Gaza a main objective of Operation Protective Edge. This is an appropriate and crucial goal given the unexpected threat these tunnels pose.

It isn’t clear how long this mission will take. The defense minister, who at the start of the ground offensive said destroying the tunnels would require “two or three days,” couldn’t have known how many there were or exactly where they were located. And it seems more surprises may be in store in this regard.

The tunnel threat gives this operation its legitimacy. The international community apparently recognizes Israel’s need to remove this threat and is willing to grant Jerusalem the time it needs to do so.

But some cabinet members and legislators are more ambitious and aren’t willing to make do with the destruction of the tunnels. They’re pressuring the prime minister to “remove the Hamas threat,” “go all the way,” “smash the Hamas leadership” or reoccupy the Gaza Strip.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.607903

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27. Palestinian shoots, injures Israeli soldier near Nablus

NABLUS (Ma'an) -- An Israeli soldier was injured early Wednesday in a Nablus-area village when a Palestinian man opened fire at several soldiers, security sources said.

Palestinian security sources told Ma'an that a man had shot at Israeli soldiers as they were raiding the village of Qublan, injuring one of them.

Israeli reinforcements launched a search for the shooter shortly afterward.

An Israeli army spokeswoman told Ma'an she was not immediately familiar with the incident.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716989

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28. Israeli military says soldiers injured in Gaza ambush

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- The Israeli military said on Wednesday that a number of soldiers were injured after explosives were detonated while they were raiding a home.

The military said in a statement that an "elite unit" was operating to "uncover offensive tunnels" and found a tunnel inside a home in the southern Gaza Strip.

As they were raiding the home, the military added, explosives were detonated, one from inside the tunnel and one from within the home.

"The explosion caused the residence to collapse and the injury of several soldiers," the statement continued.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717020

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29. Resistance groups claim responsibility for rockets fired at Israel

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Palestinian militant groups claimed responsibility for rocket attacks and mortars from Gaza targeting Israeli military forces and cities on Wednesday, as the Israeli military admitted at least three soldiers had been killed during the day so far.

The al-Qassam Brigades claimed responsibility for targeting military groups in eastern central Gaza with five 120 mortar shells and military groups in eastern al-Tuffah with right mortar shells.

The Hamas-affiliated Brigades claimed responsibility for bombing a building with Israeli special forces inside in al-Farrahin area in eastern Khan Younis, targeting a gathering of Israeli military vehicles and soldiers at al-Swarni hill, eastern al-Tuffah, and eastern Jabaliya with sixteen mortar shells.

Al-Quds Brigades bombed a house with Israeli forces inside in eastern Khan Younis.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717005

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30. 3 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza on Wednesday

Three IDF soldiers were killed during operations in the southern Gaza Strip on Wednesday.

The latest fatalities brought Israel's military death toll in Operation Protective Edge to 56.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/2-IDF-soldiers-killed-in-booby-trapped-tunnel-in-Gaza-369455

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31. 'Leader of terrorist gang' is now seen as Israel's savior ( Analysis )

Analysis: Israeli government, which waged an international campaign against Palestinian reconciliation government, is now clinging to it with all its might as a dignified way out of Gaza operation.

Published: 07.30.14, 09:43 / Israel Opinion

On Tuesday afternoon I stood near the border fence, between Kibbutz Mefalsim and Kibbutz Kfar Aza. Air Force planes descended on the neighborhoods near the border and on further neighborhoods, in the heart of the populated area.

Huge, black mushroom clouds rose from the bombarded areas. A west wind, a breeze, arrived from the sea, sending clouds of smoke towards Israel, which blackened the evening sky.

From time to time I heard the sound of a cannon roar: The departing detonator, and then the explosion as it met the ground. There were no sounds of ambulance sirens. Either the neighborhoods have completely emptied out of people or Gaza has run out of ambulances.


Nearly 100 Gazans were killed Tuesday from IDF fire. I don't know how many of them were civilians, but I do know that every time a child, a woman or an uninvolved man are hurt, it causes damage. In this type of clash, the death toll plays an unusual role: Israel loses when the number of casualties on our side rises, and loses again when the number of civilian casualties on the other side rises.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4552112,00.html

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32. +1. nt

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33. Aqsa TV: Israeli airstrike kills 6 Egyptian soldiers at Gaza border

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- The Palestinian al-Aqsa television station said Wednesday night that six Egyptian soldiers were killed in an Israeli airstrike at the Gaza border.

The Hamas-affiliated station cited witnesses saying that six Egyptian soldiers were killed after Israeli airstrikes hit the border area.

An Israeli media spokeswoman said she did not have information on the incident.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717059