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A house bombed in Gaza. Photo: Ibrahim Abu Mustafa, Reuters, 8 July 2014
Shortly after midnight today, 8 July 2014, the Israeli military launched Operation Protective Edge in the Gaza Strip. According to media reports, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu instructed the defense establishment to conduct a continuous, long and forceful operation in Gaza. We have to be prepared to go all the way, and even a ground offensive is currently on the table." The media further reported that the military was preparing to call up reservists.
Since last night, the military has continuously bombed various parts of the Gaza Strip. According to the IDF Spokesperson, by the afternoon, the military has attacked some 100 targets, including the homes of senior Hamas activists, launching infrastructure, tunnels used for mounting attacks, and training bases.
The media also reported that by this afternoon (8 July), armed Palestinian organizations in the Gaza Strip had fired some 50 rockets and mortar shells at southern Israel.
BTselems initial investigation found that since the operation began, approximately 10 people were killed in several attacks throughout the Gaza Strip. Of these, to the best of BTselems knowledge at this point, seven persons most of them minors were killed when the home of alleged Hamas activist Odeh al-Kawareah was bombed. Another 25 persons were reportedly injured in the incident, some of them severely so. The initial investigation indicates that as the homes of other Hamas activists had been bombed (as the IDF Spokesperson reported this morning), many area residents gathered around al-Kawareahs home to prevent its bombing. It is unclear as yet whether the house was still surrounded by people at the time of the bombing. According to Israeli daily Haaretz, defense establishment officials stated that the bombed family home was the target of the aerial attack. BTselem is currently investigating the circumstances of the attack and whether the military was aware of civilian presence close by.
This morning, the IDF Spokesperson stated that the military had deliberately bombed four homes of persons defined as senior Hamas activists, without mentioning whether the homes were legitimate military objectives, such as, for example, ammunition storages. International humanitarian law permits attacks only against targets that effectively assist military efforts, when attacking them can gain a military advantage. The homes of Hamas activists are not, in themselves, legitimate targets, especially when family members reside in them. Defining them as targets is neither reasonable nor legal and permits harm to civilians who are supposed to be protected by international law.
B'Tselem reiterates its demand that all parties to the hostilities take all possible measures to prevent harm to civilians. The rules of war obligate all parties to a conflict to do their utmost to defend the civilian population. Deliberate targeting of civilians is expressly prohibited.
http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20140708_gaza_operation
shira
(30,109 posts)....to shoot rockets at innocent civilians? Reminds me of Larry Derfner's insanity about the Palestinians having a right to terrorize Israelis.
Madness.
If I'm wrong, let's see Israel's most vocal critics condemn the Larry Derfners, Richard Falks, and Richard Silversteins who believe Hamas has a right (and is justified) to blow up innocent civilians.
Protect civilians?
What a sick, fucking joke.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Did Nahum Shahaf tell you about it?
shira
(30,109 posts)
and is justified doing what they do to innocent civilians, in the name of resistance.
I just think it's hypocritical to post about protecting innocent life while advocating such a depraved view.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Or is that too obvious?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)is there a formula?
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)They're the ones bragging about how successful they are at herding women and children on to known targets to produce bloody pictures for propaganda.
shira
(30,109 posts)Their actions are justified, even when they deliberately fire rockets at Dimona hoping for the worst.
Israel has no right to try to stop them from nuking the area.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You're the one excusing the killing of civilians here. I want to know if there's an actual formula at work here.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)I can understand why you don't want to openly discuss their war crimes.
What I don't understand is why you always want to let them get away with it and continue shooting at civilians.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)However to the best of my knowledge, Hamas hasn't killed anyone in this fight yet. I hope that record continues, of course. If it doesn't, absolutely Hamas is responsible for those deaths.
Israel, meanwhile, is responsible for the deaths Israel is causing.
This isn't a difficult concept.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)
.who intend to murder others but fail in doing so. Hell, we should let them keep trying until they either get tired of trying, or until they succeed.
What a great policy in dealing with Hamas.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Is "allowed" by the world to put a stop to it. ?
Of course the Jewish state is unique. Hence it's expected to just roll over and go like lambs . But hey we don't do that anymore.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)if it did, rockets would have stopped a long time ago.
King_David
(14,851 posts)That's why they target Hamas commanders and rocket launchers but Hamas hides these in schools and hospitals .
What's your suggestion just do nothing ?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So long as your stated target is something other than the bunch of civilians nearby, it's okay to kill those civilians in the blast. No problem, your hands are clean.
shira
(30,109 posts)
.their citizens from enemy attacks. In a democracy, people will demand that their gov't protect them, or else the gov't is out. So what do you expect Israel to do? No other country would take it, as you suggest Israel should do.
When do you start advocating against Geneva conventions allowing for nations' self-defense? Lemme know.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It'd only be fair if i made the same argument.
But I'm not. instead I'm pointing out that blowing up children does not make Israel safer.
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)by the Israeli government.
Human rights groups generally give an account one can trust.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)what is essentially an attack against all Palestinians in first the West Bank and now in ever more extreme ways in Gaza is being carefully couched as being against "Hamas" when the truth is there for anyone to see
Thank you, azurnoir.