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Palestinian Leaders Blast BDS, Putting 4 Activists on Trial
by TheTower.org Staff | 05.30.14 3:52 pm
Veteran Palestinian journalist Khaled Abu Toameh reported today that the Palestinian Authority regards the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement as inimical to their interests.
In the West, BDS activists often present themselves as champions of the Palestinian cause. Ironically, many Palestinians dont see them that way.
Abu Toameh writes:
For some PA officials, BDS is a movement that acts against the true interests of the Palestinians. They say that the actions of those promoting BDS make the Palestinians appear as if they are not interested in peace and coexistence with Israel. BDS activists in Ramallah have succeeded in preventing several planned meetings between Israelis and Palestinians in Ramallah and east Jerusalem.
The Palestinian Authority is also worried that BDS is harming the Palestinians relations with other countries. The most recent example of BDS efforts to damage Palestinians relations with friendly countries occurred a few weeks ago, when the anti-normalization activists tried to disrupt a performance by an Indian dance troupe in Ramallah.
http://www.thetower.org/0430-palestinian-leaders-blast-bds-putting-4-activists-on-trial/
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who hate Jews more than they support Palistinians .
Remember Greata Berlin from the free Gaza movement ? She had no horse in the race, not a Jew , not a Muslim , not an Arab and not a Palestinian.
Like so many other BDS supporters ,or those obsessed with calling the Jewish state an Apartheid state , the only motivation they have in this is their not so hidden bigotry against Jews.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)of the world you posess, king.
In your own beclouded view, one cannot weigh in on the Syrian civil war if they happen to not be of Syrian origin, one cannot criticze Snowden unless they are part of the NSA or US spy / electronic intel machine and one cannot discuss gun issues unless they have a gun or have been shot.
All of these examples, as does yours, exhibit an unmistakable form of naiveté that I know that a professed doctor could not possess unless they were being completely disingenuous.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)what about those who are Arab but not Palestinian?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Same people same group.
They definatly have a stake in this , that's the reason the Arab league is plan is so important .
The BDS supporters or Israel is Apaetheid crowd are westerners with the only thing they have in this business is "we don't like Jews " so we will smash the Jewish state.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)exactly who are they-names please and it's odd to say the least that only abuTomeh seems to know about this, a Google search gave no source other than the yours
King_David
(14,851 posts)Than Abu Tomeh and at the same time Jewish spokesman for the Jews despite not being Jewish
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)who are these 4 people who are going on trial ?
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)Explain that, Dave.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Haven't met any myself.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)The local peace group I belong to has a few. We're all keen on BDS. If Palestinians don't think it helps, we may change our stance.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Very active in the Jewish community , general , organized , Gay, Golah ,Zionist youth movement ,Jewish community .
aranthus
(3,385 posts)I think it's fair to say that most BDSers are naïve, ignorant, driven by the desire to join a cause, intellectually challenged, foolish and wrong. But I don't think that they are driven by a desire to destroy the Jewish state. The movement is, of course, but as is usual in movements, there's a big difference between the leadership driving the train and the masses they fool into shoveling the coal.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Leadership is one thing .
And for the followers and sheep,since the Whales are now saved, there needs to be a new focus .
Olive trees.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)are false or taken out of context? Because I think that is a serious instance of the Palestinians being victimized by the settlers with the connivance (or at least the looking the other way) of the Israeli government. In any event, I don't think that is the driving force behind BDS supporters.
King_David
(14,851 posts)I was way too flippant there.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Both on extreme left and extreme right.
For example , the free Gaza movement -Greta Berlin was bust with the most obscene anti Jewish shit on her Facebook .
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Leaving that aside for a minute, there are several reasons. First, the foundation belief of the pro-Palestinian position is that the Jews of Israel don't have and didn't have a right to a state in Israel. That is a belief which you, I, and most Jews regard as antisemetic. So the entire Palestinian position as they argue it is antisemitic. That position is going to attract antisemites. But it is also going to attract the naïve, ignorant, foolish, and unthinking. Those people are going to parrot the slogans of the Palestinian cause without realizing what it is that they are saying. They are going to start thinking in terms of the Palestinian world view without realizing what they are thinking. And extremists by their nature are going to be antisemitic.
So what does right and left have to do with it? That's where I think it's important to understand what right and left mean. Here's how I define them. The left is that portion of the political spectrum which is dissatisfied with the existing order, and seeks to change or abolish it. The right is that part of the political spectrum which is satisfied with the existing order, and seeks to preserve it or roll back changes to it. The extreme left (the "Left" starts with the assumption that the existing order is affirmatively bad; for them the current civilization is something that must be done away with and replaced, either peacefully from within (Socialism) or by revolution (Communism). The extreme right (the "Right" wants to reverse significant evolutions of society that have become mainstream. If you want to reverse Obamacare, then you're a conservative. If you want to reverse Brown vs. Bd. of Education, then you're on the extreme Right.
The reason I mention this is that the Right is not comparable to the Left either in the scope of what it wants to do, nor in its influence over its less extreme spectrum mates, nor in its power over society. Since Israel is part of the existing order, the Left is going to see it as a target. Since Jewish belief is a fundamental building block of Western Civilization (which the Left thinks is bad), then it is going to be a target of the Left. The Left is inherently antisemitic; the Right not as much. Outside of the Arab middle east the majority of the meaningful antisemitism today comes from the Left, not the Right. How many how many people on the extreme Right do you know who teach at major Universities? Can anyone name even one? And if so does that person hold views that could be called antisemitic? but we both know that there are many Leftists teaching at universities. So while both extreme Right and Left are antisemitic to the extent of their extremism, the anti-Semitism of the Left is also inherent in the ideology and far more influential on the mainstream left of the political spectrum than the Right is influential on the right.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Or center Left.
The extremist left and extremist right where it comes to Jews and Israel meet each other in a circle.
Israel the Jewish State and Jews and the hatred of one and both is not a Left or Rigjt issue actually .
aranthus
(3,385 posts)But think of it this way. Is Socialism extreme Left? On the one hand I believe that it is because it wants to radically change and manage the society. On the other hand it's pretty much the mainstream in Europe. And that's my point. That the extreme Left has mainstreamed itself in ways that the Right hasn't been able to. What do you think would be the equivalent of Socialism on the right. Libertarianism? Conservative Republicans? Neither are anywhere near as anti-Israel as Socialists. I grant you that at the extremes you are going to find antisemites. It's a question of how far out you have to go on either side before you reach that point. I don't think you have to go as far out on the Left before you run into antisemitism.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)What a hate-filled stereotype that first sentence is. You are NOT a nice person!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)from or anything - interesting indeed
shira
(30,109 posts)http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100275416/israels-enemies-are-dealt-a-heavy-blow-by-the-palestinian-authority/
The protesters Zeid Shuaibi, Abdel Jawad Hamayel, Fadi Quran and Fajr Harb were activists in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, which aims to force the Jewish state into political, economic and cultural isolation. Their grievance was simple: the Indian dancers had previously performed in Israel.
(One might be forgiven for viewing performances in both Tel Aviv and Ramallah as a gesture of support for peace. But thats not how the BDS movement sees it.)
But heres the twist: in an unprecedented development, these protesters were arrested not by Israeli forces, but by the Palestinian police.
Moreover, the Palestinian authorities seemed determined to make an example of the BDS four, choosing not to let them go with a "slap on the wrist". On 28 May they were formally charged with provoking riots and the breach of public tranquillity, and the case will go to court on 14 July....