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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:54 AM Dec 2013

Why I知 Boycotting The American Studies Association

The American Studies Association has voted to boycott Israeli academic institutions. As an American historian who worked closely with American studies colleagues in graduate school and then for two years while teaching at Harvard’s History and Literature program, I am not surprised by this “politically correct” assault on academic freedom, basic logic, and democratic decency. Nevertheless, I feel betrayed. I will now boycott the ASA. I will not sit on a panel, review a manuscript, or deal professionally with any ASA member — to broadcast my contempt for this decision and demonstrate the deleterious effect of academics boycotting one another: one bad boycott provokes others.

In graduate school, we historians joked that we ate red meat, while our fey, literary, American studies’ colleagues were the “quiche-eaters.” I remember at my first Hist and Lit meeting, being shocked at my new colleagues’ self-righteousness, superciliousness and plain silliness. Many — not all — were walking tweedy stereotypes, with overly-earnest airs, impenetrable academic prose laden with $10 words — even when trying to banter — and their prejudice against “DWM”s (Dead White Males”), an overly broad, intellectually sloppy category that assumes you can unite in any serious way Socrates, Ernest Hemingway, David Ben-Gurion, and Joe the Plumber.

So I know not to take seriously anything political the ASA members would endorse. Most are political outliers who probably would vote for the Communist Manifesto, too. Most are Blame America First fanatics, caricaturing the U.S. as only racist, sexist and (their word) “classist,” easily Blaming Israel First. These radicals erred so egregiously, starting in the 1960s, “not merely by criticizing particular government policies, but by attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases the very idea of America itself, by burning flags; [and] by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world,” as Barack Obama noted in July, 2008 warning “that there's nothing smart or sophisticated about a cynical disregard for America's traditions and institutions.” These people are so PC they could tolerate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s calls to exterminate America and Israel, but went ballistic when he denied there were gays in Iran.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/why-im-boycotting-american-studies-association

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Why I知 Boycotting The American Studies Association (Original Post) King_David Dec 2013 OP
Good for Gil Troy, King_David Dec 2013 #1
so your claiming that most Doctors are Jewish and this is a worldwide phenomenon? at least to your azurnoir Dec 2013 #3
Is it not true. ? King_David Dec 2013 #7
I guess it all depends on where you are :) azurnoir Dec 2013 #9
About 15 percent of US doctors are Jewish oberliner Dec 2013 #10
That's been my experience and I work in the medical field azurnoir Dec 2013 #11
15% King_David Dec 2013 #13
Less than 1 oberliner Dec 2013 #18
I guess it seems that way in certain cities, King_David Dec 2013 #22
2.2% or thereabouts (nt) shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #35
About 12% are Indian... shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #36
You claim to live in Australia shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #34
Can you point or link up where I claimed that? King_David Dec 2013 #38
What a curious editorial... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #2
Since you live in a Democracy, and you should have no fear of the state penalizing you, R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #4
But Israel is indeed a democracy just as South Africa was even in the days of apartheid azurnoir Dec 2013 #5
I'm not sure sure that America is much of a Democracy any longer. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #6
Yes they have a right , King_David Dec 2013 #8
Bring it... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #12
We will see .. Hopefully mobilization King_David Dec 2013 #14
I'm looking towards a lot of R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #15
would love your opinion on this King_David..... Israeli Dec 2013 #17
Not a site I would read or subscribe to. nt King_David Dec 2013 #23
You been reading this forum and others for so long you actuall think it's the same in the real world King_David Dec 2013 #16
Your DU opinion is duly noted. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #20
You use the word Hasbara as if its a dirty word, King_David Dec 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #25
State run ? King_David Dec 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #29
Aharon Barak ? King_David Dec 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #37
Calling the Jewish State an Apartheid state King_David Dec 2013 #21
You keep telling yourself that, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #26
Views calling the Jewish State an Apartheid state King_David Dec 2013 #27
I could give a flying f@「k about your whining flypaper, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #30
Good answer , King_David Dec 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #33
Pelosi hit the nail on the head ,easpecially WRT my party, King_David Dec 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #41
Bye ? King_David Dec 2013 #42
Canada's Mulroney did not support SA apartheid by the way King_David Dec 2013 #43
2 American universities withdraw from American Studies Association over Israel boycott King_David Dec 2013 #40

King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. Good for Gil Troy,
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:58 AM
Dec 2013

There is not a chance in hell an Academic boycott of Israel would succeeed EVER in the Medical World of Academia.

At my hospital alone most Doctors are 1.Jewish 2.Very closely linked with the Medical schools within the Jewish State.

I suspect this is a Worldwide phenomenon in any Medical Academic Institution. ( maybe not in Egypt )

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. so your claiming that most Doctors are Jewish and this is a worldwide phenomenon? at least to your
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:15 AM
Dec 2013

knowledge and experience?

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:58 PM

King_David
1. Good for Gil Troy,

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There is not a chance in hell an Academic boycott of Israel would succeeed EVER in the Medical World of Academia.

At my hospital alone most Doctors are 1.Jewish 2.Very closely linked with the Medical schools within the Jewish State.

I suspect this is a Worldwide phenomenon in any Medical Academic Institution. ( maybe not in Egypt )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113454118#post1

fascinating claim, because that could be seen as you claiming Jews control the field of medicine which would be antisemitic but not coming from you, right?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
7. Is it not true. ?
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 08:42 AM
Dec 2013


Anecdotally it seems true . I have always had problems having time off on Yom Kippur but there's never a problem finding coverage Christmas or Easter.

I think the stereotype here in medicine is true ....same with Nobel Prizes.
AntiSemitic ? Pointing out we doctors , lawyers and Nobel prize winners ?


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. About 15 percent of US doctors are Jewish
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:52 PM
Dec 2013

The number has been steadily declining over the years.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. That's been my experience and I work in the medical field
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:55 PM
Dec 2013

most of my experience has been in oncology of one sort or another-including BMT and over the years worked with many MD's from all over the world including Israel

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. Less than 1
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

Definitely still a very popular choice of career for Jewish people in the US - but they don't represent the majority of doctors.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
22. I guess it seems that way in certain cities,
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 07:06 PM
Dec 2013

Like Miami,maybe NYC ,Los Angeles maybe for sure in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
36. About 12% are Indian...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:37 PM
Dec 2013

and rising. Income levels for Hindus in the US have now exceeded those of Jews as well.

Interestingly, Hindus are more broadly prosperous, whereas the income levels of Jews are becoming more dichotomised (due to the surge in ultra-orthodox?).

Jews now have a full quota of people (25%) in the lowest quadrille of incomes:-

http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1002/almighty-dollar/flat.html

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
34. You claim to live in Australia
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:26 PM
Dec 2013

given that the overall Jewish population in Australia is less than 0.6%, there is not a single hospital in the country, private or public, where most of the doctors would be Jewish.

Frankly, I am growing sceptical of just about every claim that you make.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
38. Can you point or link up where I claimed that?
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:14 PM
Dec 2013

I did do a 3 month university rotation in Australia once....not so long ago...

It is good to be skeptical, especially of anything anybody tells you about themselves on an internet forum.

A lot of people in this conflict claiming to be Jews are not really, here is an article for you to read....



http://www.jpost.com/International/Why-do-non-Jews-bashing-Israel-claim-to-be-Jewish

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. What a curious editorial...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:05 AM
Dec 2013
In graduate school, we historians joked that we ate red meat, while our fey, literary, American studies’ colleagues were the “quiche-eaters.” I remember at my first Hist and Lit meeting, being shocked at my new colleagues’ self-righteousness, superciliousness and plain silliness. Many — not all — were walking tweedy stereotypes, with overly-earnest airs, impenetrable academic prose laden with $10 words — even when trying to banter — and their prejudice against “DWM”s (Dead White Males”), an overly broad, intellectually sloppy category that assumes you can unite in any serious way Socrates, Ernest Hemingway, David Ben-Gurion, and Joe the Plumber.


Speaking of Joe the Plumber, this diatribe sounds just about like what he might send down the pipe. "Ah'm, AMURKA, eat red meat, not arugula, white 'n' proud, thinkin' is dumb, hurrdurp!"

weird.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
4. Since you live in a Democracy, and you should have no fear of the state penalizing you,
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:06 AM
Dec 2013

I openly welcome you to boycott whatever you like..or dislike.



Since we are on the subject of boycotts, whether you like it or not everybody else has that same right in this country...and in many parts of the world. Seeing how that is the case I would hope that you would acknowledge that others have the same right as you or Gil Troy wish to exercise.

I do love this tidbit though...
The Jewish community should use this ASA boycott as a wake-up call to challenge leftist anti-Semitism rather than further scrutinizing Israel. Daniel Patrick Moynihan taught that such outrages should spotlight the unfair accusers, not the unfairly accused. Our professors, thinkers and rabbis must confront the anti-Semitism festering on the politically correct left that is starting to infect the Democratic Party. Otherwise, they risk enabling the latest form of one of the world’s oldest afflictions — Jew-bashing.


Please, bring it.

What the tidbit says above is that the critics of Israel are the new bogeymen and should be called out for being bogeymen, but however that is accomplished there mustn't be any discussion of Israeli policies in the West Bank, land theft, murder, intimidation, Jim Crow and apartheid...because that will blow your cover.

Just call the left anti-Semites, bring up the Holocaust a few times, and everything will be alright. Not really.

But please. Bring. It.

What will happen is that more people will wake up and realized that one cannot label somebody an anti-Semite and believe that others will believe the accusation; especially when all the critics of Israel have to do is point to 500k illegal Israeli settlers munching on occupied Palestine. Unfortunately you have cried wolf too many times, and now nobody will believe you.

Instead of thumping one's chest about Democratic Israel they should be criticizing Israel for its policies that have lead to BDS and the growing chorus of displeasure worldwide.

Call it anti-Semitism if that gives you any comfort. You'll be wrong, but frankly it is a hollow excuse by those too uncomfortable to admit that their precious Democratic Israel is in actuality a failure at democracy.

How can a democracy be taken seriously while maintaining a prison state slave class?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. But Israel is indeed a democracy just as South Africa was even in the days of apartheid
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:16 AM
Dec 2013

and the US was even in the days of Jim Crow, however the former 2 out grew those institutions and perhaps someday Israel will too grow up

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
6. I'm not sure sure that America is much of a Democracy any longer.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:20 AM
Dec 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024197266

A democracy grows out of one evil only to embrace another.


Since an NSA flunky is probably reading this post s/he can go fuck off.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Yes they have a right ,
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 08:47 AM
Dec 2013

And they must accept the consequences and for this group I hope there is many harsh consequences ,loss of membership . Loss of prestige, loss of funding.
All is fair game .





 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
12. Bring it...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:22 PM
Dec 2013

Along with any attempt to marginalize through crying 'anti-Semite' at every chance you get.

I hope that with every accusation you throw more people wake up to how bankrupt a policy apartheid really is.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. We will see .. Hopefully mobilization
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:06 PM
Dec 2013

And activism and resignations and withdrawal of funding and legal battles occurs and this group regrets their bigoted decision .
Hopefully an example is made of them so that no other group ever considers this again.

We can only hope. I will do my little bit too.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
15. I'm looking towards a lot of
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:13 PM
Dec 2013

red faces when this victimization gimmick backfires on supporters of apartheid.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
16. You been reading this forum and others for so long you actuall think it's the same in the real world
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:18 PM
Dec 2013

"Call it anti-Semitism if that gives you any comfort. You'll be wrong, but frankly it is a hollow excuse by those too uncomfortable to admit that their precious Democratic Israel is in actuality a failure at democracy. "

In the real world USA and Democratic Party it definitely is recognized for what it rally is and this is Jew Bashing .

DU opinion in this forum is not reflective of opinion of the Democratic Party or it's members outside of this tiny bubble in this forum where half the people have radical crazy marginal opinions enough to even call the Jewish State an apartheid state... This does not happen within our party in the real world and not is it tolerated there.

Boycott of Jewish Business and Academia is not new. This is not a new concept...

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #19)

Response to King_David (Reply #24)

Response to King_David (Reply #28)

Response to King_David (Reply #31)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
21. Calling the Jewish State an Apartheid state
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 05:37 PM
Dec 2013

And for the boycott of Jewish businesses and academia is not a new novel idea.
( witness all the Mt Sinai hospitals) and if any Democratic Party official ever advocated such a thing officially they wouldn't last 5 minutes longer within the party.

The USA Democratic Party is the party of choice for the majority of the tribe and the party doesn't countenance any AntiSemitism antiZionism BDS bigotry or the bigotry of labeling the Jewish State a Nazi or Aparyheid state as is do frequently found on websites such as David Dukes or Stormfront .

Fortunately THAT is the real world... It makes people like Presidrnt Obama a very good president we can all be proud of.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
27. Views calling the Jewish State an Apartheid state
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 08:57 PM
Dec 2013

Are so marginal and radical extremist poison to Obama and his party and anyone with such extremist views Obama would consider bigoted and would not allow represent his party.

I support Obama unreservedly and his views and policy with respect to Israel are identical to my own.

Do you support Obama ?

Response to King_David (Reply #27)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
39. Pelosi hit the nail on the head ,easpecially WRT my party,
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
Dec 2013

The Democratic Party of the USA and Obama....heck even the NDP leader in Canada (Married to a nice Jewish lady) Thomas Mulclair is an ardent supporter of Israel, I posted an article about Justin Trudeu and his strong support for Israel and Canadian Jews just the other day.


New NDP leader strongly backs Israel

http://www.cjnews.com/?q=node/89616


Trudeau backs Israel, slams Quebec charter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113454117


These are the values I ascribe to.

Vive la Canada

Response to King_David (Reply #39)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
43. Canada's Mulroney did not support SA apartheid by the way
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:29 PM
Dec 2013

And supported sanctions before most other western countries..

Where do you get your info from because it is 100% wrong and not only WRT the Jewish State but WRT Canada too...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
40. 2 American universities withdraw from American Studies Association over Israel boycott
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Dec 2013

Brandeis and Penn State Harrisburg discontinue institutional affiliation with organization, condemn academic boycott.

Two American universities, Brandeis and Penn State Harrisburg, have decided this week to withdraw from the American Studies Association in protest of the organization’s decision to join the academic boycott against Israeli universities.

“It is with deep regret that we in the American Studies Program at Brandeis University have decided to discontinue our institutional affiliation with the American Studies Association,” a message on the university’s American Studies program said.

The program views the ASA vote to affirm the academic boycott of Israel “as a politicization of the discipline and a rebuke to the kind of open inquiry that a scholarly association should foster.”

“We remain committed to the discipline of American Studies but we can no longer support an organization that has rejected two of the core principles of American culture – freedom of association and expression,” the Brandeis statement continued.

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/2-American-universities-withdraw-from-American-Studies-Association-over-Israel-boycott-335475

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