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The American Studies Association has voted to boycott Israeli academic institutions. As an American historian who worked closely with American studies colleagues in graduate school and then for two years while teaching at Harvards History and Literature program, I am not surprised by this politically correct assault on academic freedom, basic logic, and democratic decency. Nevertheless, I feel betrayed. I will now boycott the ASA. I will not sit on a panel, review a manuscript, or deal professionally with any ASA member to broadcast my contempt for this decision and demonstrate the deleterious effect of academics boycotting one another: one bad boycott provokes others.
In graduate school, we historians joked that we ate red meat, while our fey, literary, American studies colleagues were the quiche-eaters. I remember at my first Hist and Lit meeting, being shocked at my new colleagues self-righteousness, superciliousness and plain silliness. Many not all were walking tweedy stereotypes, with overly-earnest airs, impenetrable academic prose laden with $10 words even when trying to banter and their prejudice against DWMs (Dead White Males), an overly broad, intellectually sloppy category that assumes you can unite in any serious way Socrates, Ernest Hemingway, David Ben-Gurion, and Joe the Plumber.
So I know not to take seriously anything political the ASA members would endorse. Most are political outliers who probably would vote for the Communist Manifesto, too. Most are Blame America First fanatics, caricaturing the U.S. as only racist, sexist and (their word) classist, easily Blaming Israel First. These radicals erred so egregiously, starting in the 1960s, not merely by criticizing particular government policies, but by attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases the very idea of America itself, by burning flags; [and] by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world, as Barack Obama noted in July, 2008 warning that there's nothing smart or sophisticated about a cynical disregard for America's traditions and institutions. These people are so PC they could tolerate Mahmoud Ahmadinejads calls to exterminate America and Israel, but went ballistic when he denied there were gays in Iran.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/why-im-boycotting-american-studies-association
King_David
(14,851 posts)There is not a chance in hell an Academic boycott of Israel would succeeed EVER in the Medical World of Academia.
At my hospital alone most Doctors are 1.Jewish 2.Very closely linked with the Medical schools within the Jewish State.
I suspect this is a Worldwide phenomenon in any Medical Academic Institution. ( maybe not in Egypt )
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)knowledge and experience?
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:58 PM
King_David
1. Good for Gil Troy,
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There is not a chance in hell an Academic boycott of Israel would succeeed EVER in the Medical World of Academia.
At my hospital alone most Doctors are 1.Jewish 2.Very closely linked with the Medical schools within the Jewish State.
I suspect this is a Worldwide phenomenon in any Medical Academic Institution. ( maybe not in Egypt )
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113454118#post1
fascinating claim, because that could be seen as you claiming Jews control the field of medicine which would be antisemitic but not coming from you, right?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Anecdotally it seems true . I have always had problems having time off on Yom Kippur but there's never a problem finding coverage Christmas or Easter.
I think the stereotype here in medicine is true ....same with Nobel Prizes.
AntiSemitic ? Pointing out we doctors , lawyers and Nobel prize winners ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The number has been steadily declining over the years.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)most of my experience has been in oncology of one sort or another-including BMT and over the years worked with many MD's from all over the world including Israel
King_David
(14,851 posts)And what's the % of the total population ?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Definitely still a very popular choice of career for Jewish people in the US - but they don't represent the majority of doctors.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Like Miami,maybe NYC ,Los Angeles maybe for sure in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)and rising. Income levels for Hindus in the US have now exceeded those of Jews as well.
Interestingly, Hindus are more broadly prosperous, whereas the income levels of Jews are becoming more dichotomised (due to the surge in ultra-orthodox?).
Jews now have a full quota of people (25%) in the lowest quadrille of incomes:-
http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1002/almighty-dollar/flat.html
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)given that the overall Jewish population in Australia is less than 0.6%, there is not a single hospital in the country, private or public, where most of the doctors would be Jewish.
Frankly, I am growing sceptical of just about every claim that you make.
King_David
(14,851 posts)I did do a 3 month university rotation in Australia once....not so long ago...
It is good to be skeptical, especially of anything anybody tells you about themselves on an internet forum.
A lot of people in this conflict claiming to be Jews are not really, here is an article for you to read....
http://www.jpost.com/International/Why-do-non-Jews-bashing-Israel-claim-to-be-Jewish
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Speaking of Joe the Plumber, this diatribe sounds just about like what he might send down the pipe. "Ah'm, AMURKA, eat red meat, not arugula, white 'n' proud, thinkin' is dumb, hurrdurp!"
weird.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I openly welcome you to boycott whatever you like..or dislike.
Since we are on the subject of boycotts, whether you like it or not everybody else has that same right in this country...and in many parts of the world. Seeing how that is the case I would hope that you would acknowledge that others have the same right as you or Gil Troy wish to exercise.
I do love this tidbit though...
Please, bring it.
What the tidbit says above is that the critics of Israel are the new bogeymen and should be called out for being bogeymen, but however that is accomplished there mustn't be any discussion of Israeli policies in the West Bank, land theft, murder, intimidation, Jim Crow and apartheid...because that will blow your cover.
Just call the left anti-Semites, bring up the Holocaust a few times, and everything will be alright. Not really.
But please. Bring. It.
What will happen is that more people will wake up and realized that one cannot label somebody an anti-Semite and believe that others will believe the accusation; especially when all the critics of Israel have to do is point to 500k illegal Israeli settlers munching on occupied Palestine. Unfortunately you have cried wolf too many times, and now nobody will believe you.
Instead of thumping one's chest about Democratic Israel they should be criticizing Israel for its policies that have lead to BDS and the growing chorus of displeasure worldwide.
Call it anti-Semitism if that gives you any comfort. You'll be wrong, but frankly it is a hollow excuse by those too uncomfortable to admit that their precious Democratic Israel is in actuality a failure at democracy.
How can a democracy be taken seriously while maintaining a prison state slave class?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and the US was even in the days of Jim Crow, however the former 2 out grew those institutions and perhaps someday Israel will too grow up
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)A democracy grows out of one evil only to embrace another.
Since an NSA flunky is probably reading this post s/he can go fuck off.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And they must accept the consequences and for this group I hope there is many harsh consequences ,loss of membership . Loss of prestige, loss of funding.
All is fair game .
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Along with any attempt to marginalize through crying 'anti-Semite' at every chance you get.
I hope that with every accusation you throw more people wake up to how bankrupt a policy apartheid really is.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And activism and resignations and withdrawal of funding and legal battles occurs and this group regrets their bigoted decision .
Hopefully an example is made of them so that no other group ever considers this again.
We can only hope. I will do my little bit too.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)red faces when this victimization gimmick backfires on supporters of apartheid.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)"Call it anti-Semitism if that gives you any comfort. You'll be wrong, but frankly it is a hollow excuse by those too uncomfortable to admit that their precious Democratic Israel is in actuality a failure at democracy. "
In the real world USA and Democratic Party it definitely is recognized for what it rally is and this is Jew Bashing .
DU opinion in this forum is not reflective of opinion of the Democratic Party or it's members outside of this tiny bubble in this forum where half the people have radical crazy marginal opinions enough to even call the Jewish State an apartheid state... This does not happen within our party in the real world and not is it tolerated there.
Boycott of Jewish Business and Academia is not new. This is not a new concept...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I look forward to watching the apartheid deniers squirm.
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King_David
(14,851 posts)LOL
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King_David
(14,851 posts)The black eagle flies quitly into a snowy starry night...
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King_David
(14,851 posts)LOL
ha ha ha
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King_David
(14,851 posts)And for the boycott of Jewish businesses and academia is not a new novel idea.
( witness all the Mt Sinai hospitals) and if any Democratic Party official ever advocated such a thing officially they wouldn't last 5 minutes longer within the party.
The USA Democratic Party is the party of choice for the majority of the tribe and the party doesn't countenance any AntiSemitism antiZionism BDS bigotry or the bigotry of labeling the Jewish State a Nazi or Aparyheid state as is do frequently found on websites such as David Dukes or Stormfront .
Fortunately THAT is the real world... It makes people like Presidrnt Obama a very good president we can all be proud of.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Are so marginal and radical extremist poison to Obama and his party and anyone with such extremist views Obama would consider bigoted and would not allow represent his party.
I support Obama unreservedly and his views and policy with respect to Israel are identical to my own.
Do you support Obama ?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
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King_David
(14,851 posts)The Democratic Party of the USA and Obama....heck even the NDP leader in Canada (Married to a nice Jewish lady) Thomas Mulclair is an ardent supporter of Israel, I posted an article about Justin Trudeu and his strong support for Israel and Canadian Jews just the other day.
New NDP leader strongly backs Israel
http://www.cjnews.com/?q=node/89616
Trudeau backs Israel, slams Quebec charter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113454117
These are the values I ascribe to.
Vive la Canada
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Guess you know when to fold em..
I got a Royal Flush again .. It's too easy.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And supported sanctions before most other western countries..
Where do you get your info from because it is 100% wrong and not only WRT the Jewish State but WRT Canada too...
King_David
(14,851 posts)Brandeis and Penn State Harrisburg discontinue institutional affiliation with organization, condemn academic boycott.
Two American universities, Brandeis and Penn State Harrisburg, have decided this week to withdraw from the American Studies Association in protest of the organizations decision to join the academic boycott against Israeli universities.
It is with deep regret that we in the American Studies Program at Brandeis University have decided to discontinue our institutional affiliation with the American Studies Association, a message on the universitys American Studies program said.
The program views the ASA vote to affirm the academic boycott of Israel as a politicization of the discipline and a rebuke to the kind of open inquiry that a scholarly association should foster.
We remain committed to the discipline of American Studies but we can no longer support an organization that has rejected two of the core principles of American culture freedom of association and expression, the Brandeis statement continued.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/2-American-universities-withdraw-from-American-Studies-Association-over-Israel-boycott-335475