Hamas' plan for next war: Frequent attacks on Tel Aviv area

[shira]

The Islamist group is building its strength in preparation for future conflicts with Israel. Its goal is to keep these wars as short as possible. Hamas' military build-up includes amassing M-75 rockets, which have a range of 70 kilometers (43 miles) and can reach the Tel Aviv Metropolitan area. It is safe to assume that as opposed to last year's conflict with Israel, during the next war the firing of medium-range rockets from Gaza will not be sporadic.

The next war between Israel and Hamas will be different. The Islamist group currently has only a number of M-75 rockets in its possession, but production is continuing at a fast pace. Hamas also has hundreds of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

While the Egyptian army has destroyed dozens of tunnels on the Egypt-Gaza border, most of them were used to smuggle petrol and construction material. It appears that the tunnels used to smuggle arms into Gaza sustained much less damage.

Relations between Hamas and the regime in Egypt remain tense, but Cairo is apparently not looking to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza. Instead, it will probably seek a "cold" peace with Gaza, similar to the peace that existed during former President Hosni Mubarak's reign. Israel also believes that Hamas is preferable to an extremist Salafist regime in Gaza. The chances that the PA will regain control over the Strip remain slim.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4446852,00.html

Good news for those who believe Hamas has a right to "defend" itself and resist occupation, by bombing Tel Aviv!

Bad news for the Palestinian civilians who lose the most when their leaders choose war. Not that this is a factor in the minds of their "pro"-Palestinian advocates.

[King_David]

1. Maybe they were going to use that tunnel

To smuggle goods into Gaza , such as toothpaste or nail-polish?

[bravenak]

2. Or paper clips, remember?

You forgot the paperclips.

[azurnoir]

12. something that puzzles me

how did that tunnel get past IDF for so long, I mean considering that phone lines and electricity were installed, and the construction was quite sophisticated? There must have been plenty of movement in vicinity of the tunnel entrance in Gaza, which Israel has under constant and intense drone surveillance, it took 2+ years to build and IDF never noticed?

But then again I guess timing is everything and what an announcement right before a prisoner release,eh?

oh did you hear as the prisoners were being released Israel announced 1500 new settlement units

[King_David]

16. Didn't puzzle me at all cos it's not significant

Just good they found it , smashed and pulverized it and completely destroyed it.
What a waste of resources on Hamas' side.

[azurnoir]

17. ah yes

I guess you wouldn't be 'interested' in answering questions such as the ones I asked

[delrem]

3. I can't stop laughing long enough to reply. nt

[oberliner]

4. What's the funny part?

I'm not sure I get the joke.

[delrem]

5. You aren't expected to get the joke. OK?

[oberliner]

6. Can you help me out?

I pretty sure I have the capacity to get the joke, but I am just not seeing it. Can you spell it out for me?

[delrem]

7. nope.

[oberliner]

8. OK - thanks anyway

I appreciate you taking the time to respond at least.

[delrem]

9. I figure you're a person with respectable opinions.

But when you can't distinguish from shira, the humor of some of her over the line posts, I begin to wonder.

[shira]

14. Only warmongers would be in favor of Hamas stockpiling offensive-minded weapons.

They simply don't do self-defense.

The Palestinian people you claim to care about will suffer the most from Hamas' continued warmongering.

[bravenak]

18. Tee hee hee!!!!

You be cracking me up like a mug!!
This place would be boring without you..

You love war if your side is the only side allowed to fight. If the other side wants to fight you, they're warmongers.

Didn't the hasbara group spend some time making fun of me using the term warmonger? I guess I brought it back into style, eh?
It's cool, you can use it too.


The warmongers are the ones that have been holding a civilian population hostage for decades using threat of military violence to keep them under siege.

It's messed up that they just leave all of their wonderful 'explainers' twisting in the wind, having to use catch phrases and bold terms to try to make their point. It's not fair what they're doing to you, making you look silly. You should file a complaint.

[shira]

20. Israel doesn't attack unless it has to.

Do you not realize Israel took thousands of rockets over the years from Gaza before a full military response? Try to name one other nation worldwide that would just take thousands of rockets like Israel did w/o a response.

It really appears you support Hamas terror. You've all but justified their deliberate attacks vs. a civilian population. I'm wondering what makes you progressive other than your auto insurance.

BTW, the siege and occupation are legal. Hamas has been in a state of war vs. Israel and Israel has the right to defend themselves.

[bravenak]

22. Legal smeagal.

Still inhumane and oppressive. And a major cause of violence.
I use Allstate.
I support both sides of a conflict having the same rights to defend themselves. Being the occupier names you the more powerful entity, therefore you bear the brunt of the responsibility for the occupation. Period. It's your show.

I'm much more liberal than you Shira. You're cute though.

You support using the threat of trained military forces on civilian populations to enforce the occupation and maintain the threat of violence against civilians. You support the demonization of an entire generation of Palestinians youths, by naming teenaged rock throwing, organized, parentally sanctioned terrorism.

Of course they've sent thousands of rockets your way during this decades long occupation. You should expect that.

The US would do the same thing.

You can't be the victim and the perpetrator at the same time.

[shira]

23. Liberals and Progressives don't call terror vs. innocents self-defense

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You support using the threat of trained military forces on civilian populations to enforce the occupation and maintain the threat of violence against civilians.

The occupation is self-defense. If Israel were to pull out of the W.Bank, it would leave the mainland indefensible, not only against rockets, but also short range mortars and gun shots. It's not as simple as Israel getting out and hoping for the best. Just a few gun shots and mortars on Israel's major population centers would trigger a huge war. You either don't get it or don't want to.

You support the demonization of an entire generation of Palestinians youths, by naming teenaged rock throwing, organized, parentally sanctioned terrorism.

When youths are encouraged by adults to get into harm's way in order to maim and kill innocents with rocks, that's irresponsible, vile, child abuse and terror. How else to define it?

Of course they've sent thousands of rockets your way during this decades long occupation. You should expect that.

Expect Hamas to fire rockets immediately after Israel pulled completely out of Gaza? At that point it would've made more sense for the Palestinians to completely stop attacking and work peacefully with Israel. It would've led to more withdrawal from the W.Bank. That was actually the plan. First Gaza and then the W.Bank. The W.Bank didn't happen due to all the rockets in response. It would've been stupid to repeat the same thing.

You can't be the victim and the perpetrator at the same time.

Do you believe Hamas is the victim and not a perpetrator?

Because it's crystal clear you do not see innocent Israelis as victims deserving of protection from terror attacks.

[bravenak]

26. I never said Hamas was the victim.

I think you both do things to each other. You think you only kill terrorists, I think there are plenty of civilian deaths on the hands of the IDF. Am I wrong? No I'm not.
Have they(Hamas) killed civilians? Yep. They've done it too.

They both have blood of innocents on their hands. Period. You pretend that the bad things your country does don't happen.

[bravenak]

10. You are an amazing executor of hyperbole.

Self awareness. Missing.
You make me wanna lol. But that's David's job.
How many weapons has Israel bought this year for their 'security'?
If the IDF can purchase bombs, missiles and other weapons of war then so can everybody else.
By buying a massive amount of weapons, some funded by the United States, is Israel choosing war?
I mean I'm sure you remember the cluster bombs. Or are those cluster bombs really ' friendship bombs'?
It's not working.

[shira]

13. Hamas doesn't defend anything. They attack and terrorize....

And that hasn't worked out so well for the Palestinian people for the last decade or so, has it?

So why are you for an escalation in the conflict?

[bravenak]

15. The world isn't looking at Hamas calling them land thieves.

Hamas isn't holding a Israel under occupation.

Not fighting Israel hasn't gotten the settlements to stop, has it?

Or a complete withdrawal?

Maybe they think if they bomb tel aviv, you'll be busy defending the capital.

I think you forget the many bombs the IDF dropped on Palestine.

Settlements are and incitement to violence, no matter what you think.

Holding a nation hostage will cause them to want to attack you.

You cant call their hands dirty, when your hands aren't clean.

You support the occupation, but you hate the violence that comes along with it.

Too bad.

You support using a military threat on civilian populations, ethnic cleansing, and dropping bombs on neighborhoods. You are the supporter of war.

You can try to pretend and obfuscate but it doesn't work.

You are transparent, thank goodness.

I'd hate if people were to take your word for it.


You should go back through your posting history and see some of the nasty things you've said in reference to Palestinians. I was quite shocked!!

Then you can self delete all the racist things you've said. Or leave them so that when someone sees something posted by you they can check your history and disregard your opinions. I was looking through last night and boy oh boy!! Shocking!!!

[shira]

19. Hamas sees all Israel as occupied. They won't stop attacking, ever...

They're very clear about that. Do you not believe them?

And the occupation is legal. There's a reason Israel is there and it's because of Arab intransigence. In the absence of a peace deal, Israel has a right to be there. They got out of Gaza and Hamas ratcheted up their attacks. So with history as a guide, why should Israel do a repeat and risk more attacks?

I haven't made any racist statements against Palestinians. I criticize their awful leadership and their terrorist supporters, but it appears you see any criticism of the most vile Palestinian leadership as racist. Obviously, you see all Palestinian people as one with a leadership that oppresses them (women, gays, christians included).

[bravenak]

21. I don't think they care if you think it's legal.

It's inhumane to hold generations of people hostage using the threat of military violence on order to subdue them while you steal and settle their land. They have almost nothing left. Israel isn't serious about a peace deal as evidenced by the continuing announcements of new settlements. Just recently another private home was bulldozed in the middle of the night.
Every time both parties agree to begin peace talks, Israel immediately announces new settlements on Palestinian territory. Yeah right they want peace. Nobody believes it anymore. We'd have to all be stupid not to notice that when peace talks are being brought up, new settlements are announced.
We're not idiots.
The way you speak of them is as though they are beneath you and you paint them with a broad brush, like they're not individuals. Read what you write about them and substitute Jew or Israeli for every time you say Palestine. You'd be screaming antisemitism if I were to write the things you write about them about you. And you'd be right!
Israel is risking attacks everyday that they are holding another people hostage.

You oppress them and then complain that they want to kill you. Strangeness.

[shira]

24. You just can't acknowledge the Palestinian leadership doesn't want peace and 2 states...

That was on the table in 1947 and they rejected it. A deal that you believe they should've accepted. The deal was offered in 1937, 1967, 2001, and 2008. All rejected. Israel has proven it can make peace, as they did so with both Egypt and Jordan.

Hamas says all Israel is occupied territory and they will never stop. The PA says the same thing in Arabic while they make nice to the West in english.

Israel cannot make the Palestinians want a peaceful 2 state solution if they don't want it.

[azurnoir]

11. Isn't HaKirya in Tel Aviv?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaKirya

[King_David]

25. Yes,

The Kirya is in Tel Aviv .