Settlers Assault Israeli Human Rights Workers Near West Bank Outpost

[Purveyor]

Yesh Din personnel, who were in the West Bank doing the job that police simply aren’t doing, were attacked last week by settlers near Havat Gilad. And these are the people the defense minister wants to sign a deal with?

By Yesh Din (written by Yossi Gurvitz)

Three Israelis – and yes, there is the necessary proof that they were Israelis – attacked a Yesh Din team near the illegal outpost of Havat Gilad on Tuesday, June 25. The assault came a day before the High Court of Justice was to hold a hearing about the evacuation of several illegal structures there. All this took place in the wake of a suggestion of Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon to legalize Havat Gilad in return for removing those structures.

Ironically, the attack was not divorced from the legal procedures: the Yesh Din team was there to document the illegal construction in Havat Gilad. After viewing the place and driving away, the team found its way blocked by three Israelis who arrived on the scene on two motorcycles. The Israelis, one of whom was armed, violently attacked the team’s vehicle, broke its windshield and stole its keys. Despite the attack, our team made it back safely to the village of Far’atha, and lodged an official complaint with the police.

So as not to give the police an excuse to destroy this investigation as well, we shall not provide more details about the incident. But some things must be said clearly, even though they have been said so often that they seem banal: the government of Israel is responsible for this violence.

The settlers of the Havat Gilad outpost have lived on a declared illegal outpost for over a decade. The outpost was mostly built on lands declared to be private by the Civil Administration, cultivated Palestinian lands. Most of the structures on it have been issued demolition orders that are rarely enforced.

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http://972mag.com/settlers-assault-yesh-din-personnel-near-west-bank-outpost/74812/

[shira]

1. LOL @ "Human Rights Workers". The EDL are "Human Rights Workers" too...

The Flotilla Jihadists on the Marmara who called for the killing of Jews are "Human Rights Workers".

All fanatic Rightwingers and Fascists.

You need a scorecard these days to keep track of the phonies...

[Scootaloo]

3. Funny you mention the English Defense league

I don't see anything that makes them any different from you, Shira. Right down to using false advocacy for liberal issues as an argument for oppression.



Also... Yesh Din is a group of "far-right fanatics and fascists?" That's more than a little deranged.

[King_David]

4. EDL are fuxked up,

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2010/12/edl-terry-jones-visit/

Perhaps our memory is playing tricks, but Scrapbook can’t recall seeing any pride flags at English Defence League events. Yesterday, however, saw EDL joint-leader Tommy Robinson (above) casting himself as an unlikely ally of the LGBT community.

Interviewed by Sky News about a prospective ban on the visit of Muslim-hating pastor Terry Jones to the UK, Robinson cited regular trips to Britain by homophobic Islamist preachers and asked “is free speech only for muslims?”

We have preachers of hate flying into thie country regularly – week in, week out – promoting homophobia, homophobic views, anti-democratic views, just promoting hatred.

[azurnoir]

12. well that's great a new ally

are you accepting their support? and as for Terry Jones he' an enthusiastic supporter of Israel

A Note From Pastor Terry Jones: "We Stand With Israel"

http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2011/04/note-from-pastor-terry-jones-we-stand.html

(link only for proof of quote)

[King_David]

22. They love Jews and Gays...

Kind of different where the stormfront ilk join with the uber left in anti Zionist hate for Israel (Jews and Gays too)

[shira]

5. Oh yes, and you're a true progressive/liberal...

...who happens to prefer regressive fascists and totalitarians over seculars, liberals, centrists and moderates throughout the 3rd world (especially in the mideast). Your humanitarianism mirrors that of the fanatically rightwing Arab regimes in that region of the world.

Yesh Din's advocacy leads to the very same endgame that the most extreme Rightwing Arab leadership shares throughout the region. They can call themselves whatever they want, but those who fight in a common cause with fascist bigots are rightwingers.

As for the EDL, they're no different than the numbnuts at JihadWatch. It's a shame, but the phony advocacy they do for moderate and secular liberal Muslims (vs. radical Jihadis) is more than you and your cronies will ever do. Which pretty much leads to my view in the very first sentence above (starting with the title).

[Scootaloo]

7. What's really sad Shira...

Is that it's clear you have a lot to say, but aren't well-lettered enough to really convey your opinions in an intelligent manner. You toss out words almost at random, clearly having no grasp of their meaning and knowing only they're supposed to be "bad words." You maybe think you're delivering a scathing salvo, but really you just look you're losing a battle with tourette's syndrome.

Yesh Din's advocacy leads to the very same endgame that the most extreme Rightwing Arab leadership shares throughout the region. They can call themselves whatever they want, but those who fight in a common cause with fascist bigots are rightwingers.

You might want to check the expiration date on whatever it is you ate before posting this stuff.

[shira]

8. Means a lot coming from you. Thanks so much.

If you couldn't understand what I was writing about Yesh Din, then know this: They're fascist sanctimonious bigots masquerading as anti-Fascists and anti-racists. Shills for the extreme 3rd world Right. IOW, rightwingers.

[azurnoir]

2. Interesting comment in the article

Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir once said that “for Eretz Israel, it is permitted to lie.”

[shira]

6. Lying is practically what all anti-Israel (allegedly pro-Palestinian) advocacy is about. n/t

[azurnoir]

9. so we are lying I see

it's all imaginary, made up, ya that's the ticket, like the OP right it's all a lie

so give us the facts refute what's in this OP

I'll be waiting

[shira]

10. Those pandering to haters are phony human rights activists.

So yeah, they're as phony as the EDL or Mavi Marmara Jihadis masquerading as human rights activists.

All liars.

[azurnoir]

11. Prove what is written in this OP is false

it seems all you can do is squawk right winger fascist phony but yet can not provide any facts, why is that?

[shira]

13. "Proving" something to you would be a waste of time...

I couldn't even get you to admit there was any funny business going on with France24's original al-Dura story.

[azurnoir]

14. IOW you can't because what is in the OP is true n/t

[shira]

15. If you can't admit al-Dura was a hoax, no amount of evidence...

...would be sufficient to prove anything to you.

[azurnoir]

16. I'm am going to say this once

to hear you demonize a child who was killed 13 years ago is beyond ugly it actually sickens me

[shira]

17. Then hear this once...

I'm not at all convinced that you're sickened by anything. Nor do you actually believe I'm demonizing anyone.

There's no video evidence that the boy was ever shot. Here's the last scene again where he is peeking...a scene that France24 originally cut:

[azurnoir]

18. I've seen it shira all it proves it that maybe he wasn't killed instantly

not that he wasn't killed at all his arm was not in a natural position and would have moved on it's own, it's called gravity, perhaps you should look it up sometime

[shira]

19. LOL! There's no blood. Not a trace, for either the father or the boy...

And that last 10 seconds of tape that France24 cut shows the boy peeking and slowly controlling his arm back down. Note where his feet are as his legs are lifted. All voluntary movements, not gravity.

[azurnoir]

20. I noted everything the child was killed by an IDF bullet 13 years ago

and still you demonize, I' can not imagine the reaction if he had been an Israeli Jewish child and people were running the sickening line you are

[shira]

21. You're not sickened by talk of a hoax. You live to demonize Israel....

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The bigger the lie, or hoax in this case, the better.

You love that Israel can be accused of murdering children, whether the charges are true or not. That way, the "Zionists" and their supporters can be accused of the worst motives and actions. That's your bullshit, throwing-shit-at-the-wall-hoping-some-sticks "advocacy" in a nutshell. Al-Dura is too juicy a story to let go. Admitting any part of it is bullshit calls into question other malicious accusations vs. Israel and its supporters and you can't have that.

Save your sanctimony for those who don't know you any better.

[Scootaloo]

24. Wasting your time

See, Shira's one of those people who thinks entire races of people will not only murder children at the drop of a hat, but that the entire race will then use their control of the media and their nefarious connections with the international left to hoax the entire world about the death and suffering they have endured, all for the smallest sliver of political or financial gain. Further, she advocates that their membership in that group is good cause to deny them civil and political rights, because by being members of their group they are a fifth column, an "enemy within." In fact the fact that these people are having children at a higher rate than a different ethnic group is cause for alarm for Shira, for fear that these subversive, awful people will soon "overrun" the other group. Because this ethnic group seeks nothing, nothing other than the complete obliteration of these innocents, they are valid targets for any amount or level of violence or oppression. Somehow she reaches these pinnacles of logic while denying the existence of the villainous ethnicity at all!

Basically put, anything, literally anything that vilifies the target of her hate in some way will be taken as delivered truth by her, no matter how off the wall, no matter how deranged, no matter the source. All that matters to her is projecting the hate, furthering the narrative of these evil, mendacious, greedy, two-faced, sneaky, stupid, crafty, lecherous prudes who want to take over and inflict suffering on the "good people."

Her accusations that this is what people who disagree with her are doing is simple empty protestation, a child's retort of "nuh uh, you are!" as anyone who performs more than the most casual of reads can see. When you're quoting conspiracy theory from the guy who also claims that Rabin was killed by an invisible terminator under Shimon Peres' control, in order to argue that a little boy was both murdered by this evil villanous people and isn't dead at all, you really can't accuse others of desperately grasping at vilifications

[shira]

27. Even you admitted Israel probably didn't shoot at the child....

Ken Burch said the incident didn't happen...
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/113441491#post35

And then there are the 3 French expert Journalists...

Of course, to this day Charles Enderlin and France24 have admitted to absolutely zero wrongdoing, never admitting to or apologizing for getting the story wrong.

Azurnoir can't admit to anything wrong with the report.

BTW, this is what I'm talking about when I write about the utter dishonesty of the anti-Israel movement.

[Scootaloo]

28. Oh, more than that...

I even argued that if Israeli troops DID shoot, it was because they saw some dude behind cover making gestures; reasonable cause for suspicion in a firefight, I think. I think Azur is wrong in his belief that Israeli forces did so.

But. Yes, there's a "but." Wrong as I think Azurnoir is, I believe he is more correct than you are.

Azurnoir and I disagree with whose bullet's did the deed, but we can agree that on September 30, 2000, Mohammad al-Dura was shot and fatally wounded while hiding behind his father at Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip while Israeli forces and Palestinian gunmen exchanged fire.

You, on the other hand, insist that none of this ever happened. That it's all fake. That Arabs, being perfidious, manipulative liars through and through, created this with smoke and mirrors, and used their control of the equally mendacious liberal media to portray the "durahoax" as fact just to make poor little Israel look bad. That when we see Mohammed al-Dura get shot and slimp over, we're not actually seeing a little boy getting killed, we're seeing a dirty little lying arabush bastard taking us all for a ride, because that's all dirty little lying arabush bastards know how to do.

That is, while I disagree with Azurnoir's assessment of the situation, I do think it is more likely that Mohammad was shot by Israelis, than your claim that he wasn't shot at all. He might be wrong, but you're deranged.

[shira]

29. The 3 French expert Journalists & Esther Shapira are just as deranged then...

They conclude that the IDF couldn't have possibly shot at the boy, which led Derfner to say the same.

The 3 French experts all say there was staging going on throughout the filming from that day.

They all have major issues with the France2 report, which goes to show that your attempts to mockingly portray this as some loony rightwingnut conspiracy mongering is bullshit, once again exposing the total dishonesty of your position.

Here's what they say again...

Having viewed the footage, Jeambar and Leconte wrote in Le Figaro on January 25, 2005, that there was no scene in it that showed the boy had died.[83] When Enderlin said Muhammad was dead, they wrote "he had no possibility of determining that he was in fact dead, and even less so, that he had been shot by IDF soldiers."[25] While they did not believe the scene was staged, they said the footage did not show the boy's death throes. "This famous 'agony' that Enderlin insisted was cut from the montage," they wrote, "does not exist."[84]

The first 23 minutes of the footage showed Palestinians playing at war for the cameras, they said, falling down as if wounded, then getting up and walking away. A France 2 official told them, "You know it's always like that,"[36] a comment that Leconte said he found disturbing. "I think that if there is a part of this event that was staged, they have to say it," he said, "that there was a part that was staged, that it can happen often in that region for a thousand reasons."[84] Leconte did not conclude that the shooting was faked. He said, "At the moment of the shooting, it's no longer acting, there's really shooting, there's no doubt about that."[36] In an interview with Cybercast News, he said he believed the Palestinians had shot the boy. "The only ones who could hit the child were the Palestinians from their position," he said. "If they had been Israeli bullets, they would be very strange bullets because they would have needed to go around the corner." He dismissed France 2's explanation—that perhaps the bullets that hit the boy had ricocheted off the ground. "It could happen once, but that there should be eight or nine of them, which go around a corner? They're just saying anything."[36]

The third journalist to view the raw footage, Luc Rosenzweig—who had previously written material about the incident for the Metula News Agency (Mena; see above)—disagreed with Jeambar and Leconte. He concluded that the shooting had been staged, calling it "an almost perfect media crime."[85] Jeambar and Leconte say they and Rosenzweig had agreed not to discuss what they saw on the footage until all had agreed on a response, but Rosenzweig spoke to Mena about it, and Mena published his account, concluding that it supported the allegation of staging. Jeambar and Leconte distanced themselves from that conclusion. They wrote in Le Figaro: "To those who, like Mena, tried to use us to support the theory that the child's death was staged by the Palestinians, we say they are misleading us and their readers. Not only do we not share this point of view, but we attest that, given our present knowledge of the case, nothing supports that conclusion. In fact, the reverse is true."[43]

That's as damning as it gets.

And while it's true that Jeambar and Leconte admit the shooting is real and not staged (of course the bullets are real) they say there's zero evidence the boy was ever shot or in any death throes. They concluded that there's no reason for Enderlin to have reported such a thing. They have no reason to believe the boy was shot or killed. This is obvious.

You're full of shit.

[Scootaloo]

30. Didn't read your excerpts too well, did you?

"To those who, like Mena, tried to use us to support the theory that the child's death was staged by the Palestinians, we say they are misleading us and their readers. Not only do we not share this point of view, but we attest that, given our present knowledge of the case, nothing supports that conclusion. In fact, the reverse is true."

Funny. Seems to be that the experts you're reliant are saying those who think the child's death was staged are the ones who are full of shit.

They all have major issues with the France24 report, which goes to show that your attempts to mockingly portray this as some loony rightwingnut conspiracy mongering is bullshit, once again exposing the total dishonesty of your position.

it's not an attempt. It's a successful endeavor. I've already blown open every shitty little source you've come up with in.. .three threads is it now? From Kerentsy to Shahuf to those dumb motherfuckers who ran Little Green Footballs. Absolutely no source you have cited has any shred of reliability or credibility, every last one of them being a demonstrable anti-Arab bigot. This panel of three experts you rush behind contains one such bigot, and two others who disagree with him - and with you - and have distanced themselves as far from these lunatic claims as they can get.

At this point, your argument amounts to some tired-ass antisemitic tropes applied to Arabs, and your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is... what are we now, totalitarian islamo-commies or something? I honestly don't keep track.

Mohammed al-Durah is dead. Your wheedling, sniveling attempts to say otherwise and portray his death as some propaganda blitz by the Arab-controlled media is just a sickening rehash of the same arguments I could find at zundlsite, if I cared to look at such trash. My advice to you is to find a new stupid fucking theory to run with, because this one is just making you look worse, the more you bang it. And you won't be able to hide behind that aegis forever, if you keep it up.

You're full of shit.

Scathing.

[shira]

33. Yes, all the experts are bigots according to you....

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...because they all say scenes were staged throughout the original 27 minutes of rushes. Anyone who even remotely mentions the possibility of Pallywood is automatically branded a bigot, case closed, in your opinion.

The actual evidence and facts don't matter to you as you'd rather ignore all that and attack. It's your M.O. Nevermind that Enderlin only provided 18 minutes of rushes, or lied about cutting scenes due to the agony & death throes of the child (which didn't exist according to the experts).

Why the lies? What is France 2 still hiding?

Screw it, you're a waste of time.

[Israeli]

23. thanks for posting this ..

Yesh Din are really transparent ... everything you need to know about them is open to all at :
http://www.yesh-din.org/Default.asp?

Including ....

Yesh Din's Public Council functions as an advisory board, overseeing Yesh Din activities and lending its expertise and guidance on all matters related to strategic organizational decisions, legal issues or correspondence with the press, the public or the upper echelons of the Israeli Defence establishment.

The Public Council is comprised of well-known public figures, former holders of public office and distinguished members of civil society.....

Shulamit Aloni | Lecturer on human rights. Former Israeli Minister of Education and Culture, Minister of Communications, Minister of Science and Arts. Founder and chairperson of Ratz – the Movement for Civil Rights and Peace. Recipient of the Israel Prize for special lifetime contribution to Israeli society.

Dan Bavly | Author, journalist, former Executive Partner of Bavly Millner & Co. Former chairman of the Jewish-Arab Center in the University of Haifa.

Michael Ben Yair | Former Attorney General of the State of Israel and Supreme Court Acting Justice.

Ruth Cheshin | Co-founder and President Emeritus of the Jerusalem Foundation, Chairman of Mishkenot Sha'ananim

Yehudit Karp | Lawyer, former Deputy Attorney General of Israel and Head of the Department of Criminal and Public Law Legislation at the Ministry of Justice. Former vice president and member of the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child.

Paul Kedar, Colonel (Ret.) | Former Israeli consul general in New York, head of the Ministry of Defense delegation to Europe and IDF attaché to Turkey. In 2010 Kedar and his wife Ruthie were honored with the Emil Grunzweig Human Rights Award by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) for their work with Yesh Din.

Prof. Uzy Smilansky | Emeritus Professor of Physics at the Weizmann Institute of Science. Visiting Professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

Joshua Sobol | Israeli playwright, writer, and director at theatres in Israel and abroad.

Zeev Sternhell | Israeli historian and one of the world's leading experts on Fascism. Sternhell headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and writes for the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. In 2008, Sternhell was awarded the Israel Prize for Political Science.

Yair Rotlevy - Industrialist. Board member of several public companies and organizations for social change.

Akiva Eldar | Journalist, author and publicist. Former member of the Haaretz editorial board and current political commentator for Al-Monitor.

Prof. Naomi Chazan | Professor (emerita) of Political Science at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and Dean of the School of Government and Society at the Academic College of Tel Aviv-Yafo. Served as a Knesset member for Meretz and president of the New Israel Fund.

Dani Karavan | Sculptor, Israel Prize laureate 1977, named by UNESCO as an Artist for Peace, and winner of Japan’s “Praemium Imperiale.”

Prof. Orna Ben-Naftali | The Emile Zola Chair for Human Rights at the Striks School of Law at the College of Management – Academic Studies (COMAS) and its former Dean. She served at the UN Peacekeeping Operations Department in New York. Her fields of research are humanitarian international law with a focus on occupation law and culture.

PS ... they are all from the Israeli Left

[Scootaloo]

25. You forget - Left is Right, to Shira

If you're a leftist, you're a right-wing totalitarian.

[shira]

26. "Leftists" pandering to the fanatic, extreme 3rd world Right....

...turning a blind eye to their fascism, their racism, their anti-Jew bigotry, and all their regressive anti-humane acts & war-crimes are progressives/liberals in name only.

They're Rightwingers acting as a megaphone for the worst regimes in that part of the world.

[Israeli]

31. Who ? ;) ......nt

[Scootaloo]

32. Someone who gets very confused at road intersections, I think