Pet Shop Boys: Israel not apartheid state

[shira]

Pro-Palestinian are planning to protest outside an event the band members will be participating in later this week.

"Open your eyes to the ugly reality of apartheid Israel," reads a poster prepared for the protest, which is being promoted by a pro-Palestinian called Innovative Minds. "Cancel your Tel Aviv concert. Stand with the oppressed." The poster features a picture of the Pet Shop Boys, Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe, wearing glasses with the captions "1 child killed every three days" and "2 kids caged every day."

Neil Tennant said in response to the boycott calls that there was no room to compare between the Israeli government's policy and apartheid in South Africa. "I don't agree with this comparison of Israel to apartheid-era South Africa," Tennant wrote on the group's official website. "It's a caricature. Israel has (in my opinion) some crude and cruel policies based on defense; it also has universal suffrage and equality of rights for all its citizens, both Jewish and Arab.

"In apartheid-era South Africa, artists could only play to segregated audiences; in Israel anyone who buys a ticket can attend a concert."

more...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4393323,00.html

[ZombieHorde]

1. That seems to me to be a good point.

I don't really know. I don't know enough about the apartheid in South Africa to compare it to current events in Israel and Palestine.

[Israeli]

6. try reading this then ...

might help you and others understand the comparison better :

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/heading-toward-an-israeli-apartheid-state-1.353942

[shira]

8. Heading towards Apartheid? They claim it's ALREADY Apartheid....

...and not just within the territories. Meaning you live within an Apartheid State NOW, within the 1948 lines.

Get with the program Israeli and END APARTHEID NOW!

[Israeli]

10. who are they shira ?

Are Israel and apartheid South Africa really different?

@
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/are-israel-and-apartheid-south-africa-really-different-1.265580

In Israel, on the other hand, institutional discrimination is meant to preserve the supremacy of a group of Jewish settlers over Palestinian Arabs. As far as discriminatory practices are concerned, it's hard to find differences between white rule in South Africa and Israeli rule in the territories; for example, separate areas and separate laws for Jews and Palestinians.

Last Wednesday, Israeli policemen blocked the main road linking Nablus and Tul Karm. Dozens of taxis with Palestinian workers on their way home from another day on the job in the settlements were told to park on the side of the road. Cars with yellow license plates passed by. There was no roadblock for security inspections; it was just the memorial ceremony for Rabbi Meir Hai. Just as long as they do not say that there is apartheid.

[shira]

14. So is Israel an apartheid state or just heading that way? You posted two...

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...contradictory articles. Which is it?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

[King_David]

23. So do you fancy yourself as the new Helen Suzman , Israeli ?

LOL.

Puhleez... Have some respect for the brave SA real heros..

[shira]

28. Suzman was a bonafide SA hero; very pro-Israel....

...not a phony human rights advocate.

[Israeli]

29. no King_David...

if you want me to compare myself to anyone then I would be happy to choose Shulamit Aloni
someone I have admired and respected since I became involved in the peace movement .

Ref : http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/aloni-shulamit

Aloni, however, has never left the public arena. She continues to speak out against Israeli violations of Palestinian human rights and to call for a just two-state solution. She is still considered a leading voice in the quest for the separation of religion and state in Israel. She carries immense cachet, justifiably, in feminist circles. And she is uncompromising in her ongoing effort to equip Israeli citizens with a Bill of Rights.

You really should read what she thinks with regard to apartheid and Israel .

[shira]

30. She lied when she claimed Jews-Only-Roads...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/01/08/yes-there-is-apartheid-in-israel/

If that were not enough, the generals commanding the region frequently issue further orders, regulations, instructions and rules (let us not forget: they are the lords of the land). By now they have requisitioned further lands for the purpose of constructing "Jewish only" roads. Wonderful roads, wide roads, well-paved roads, brightly lit at night–all that on stolen land. When a Palestinian drives on such a road, his vehicle is confiscated and he is sent on his way.

On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. "Why?" I asked the soldier. "It’s an order–this is a Jews-only road", he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. "It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?"

Indeed Apartheid does exist here. And our army is not "the most moral army in the world" as we are told by its commanders. Sufficient to mention that every town and every village has turned into a detention centre and that every entry and every exit has been closed, cutting it off from arterial traffic. If it were not enough that Palestinians are not allowed to travel on the roads paved ‘for Jews only’, on their land, the current GOC found it necessary to land an additional blow on the natives in their own land with an "ingenious proposal".

Your BDS friends also lie when they say Israel is Apartheid within the 1948 lines too, not only in the territories. They're also for 1-state, like the most hardcore settlers. Why do you consider them your political allies?

[Israeli]

32. Shulamit Aloni ...

does not lie shira ... she says it as she sees it .

I have BDS friends ?
First I've heard of that .... unless you count Gush Shalom's boycott of settlement produce which pre dates the international BDS movement .

The only "political allies" I have are Israeli shira .

Here is one of my "political allies"

http://adam-keller2.blogspot.co.il/

Enjoy Shira .

[shira]

46. If you cannot admit Jews-Only roads is a lie...

...there's nowhere else to go with this.

If your cause is Just, why lie?

[Israeli]

90. why indeed ...

http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files2/map/forbbiden_roads_map_eng.pdf

http://www.btselem.org/download/200408_forbidden_roads_eng.pdf

[Purveyor]

2. Well, since the 'pet shops boys' declares it, it must be so! LOL eom

[King_David]

3. Top Ten Gay Icons of All Time

6. Pet Shop Boys

pet shop boysOne thing that unites (most) gay men and women is a love of dance. From the Castro to Canal Street, gay clubs are known for their dance floors, and since the mid eighties the Pet Shop Boys have been supplying the paramount tunes to fill them. Always proud, yet never naff, they are one of the first mainstream gay acts that had also had a strong following from a straight audience. They were also notorious for resurrecting the careers of other major icons; in 1987 they released “What have I done to Deserve this” with entry number 9, Dusty Springfield, and in 1989 they produced Liza Minnelli’s album “Results”. Still as big as ever 25 years into their career, they are the biggest and most influential electro pop band of all time.


http://aaaaahhhhshark.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/top-ten-gay-icons-of-all-time/

[shira]

4. Palestinian Lexicon: Apartheid....

Apartheid: The only system in the Middle East which is democratic and grants Arab citizens full equality under the law, including the right to become a Justice of the Supreme Court, an ambassador, a military officer or a Minister in the Cabinet., i.e. a form of “Racism.” Not to be confused with the widespread discrimination and exclusion of Palestinians on ethnic grounds in Lebanon, which is not “Apartheid.”

Apartheid Wall: A separation fence erected in response to countless terror attacks in order to protect both Jews and Muslims from suicide bombings as a manifestation of “Zionist Aggression.”

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-palestinese-lexicon/

[oberliner]

5. Yeah, it's not like they were in Pink Floyd or anything

That's where the real experts can be found.

[shira]

7. Real Experts on Apartheid believe world run by Reptilian Space Aliens...

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http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/21/prominent-israel-hater-alice-walker-believes-world-run-by-reptilian-space-aliens/

[azurnoir]

12. ah yet more charater assassination

that's just so classy speaks volumes for some supporters of Israel

[shira]

15. Walker is one of the leading voices of the BDS Apartheid charge...

Maybe you prefer Omar Barghouti, leader of the movement?

Graduate of Tel Aviv University. Nice apartheid there...

If he doesn't boycott Israel, why should anyone else?

[azurnoir]

19. Stay classy there

and hey your in good company there's this guy I think his name is Snowden .........

[shira]

20. It's just too easy exposing warmongering bigots like Walker and Barghouti...

FFS, they can't even pretend to support a peaceful 2-state settlement.

[azurnoir]

21. "warmongering bigots like (Alice) Walker-

FFS, they can't even pretend to support a peaceful 2-state settlement"

not like some here can .

[shira]

25. So tell me, what makes BDS 1-staters any better than....

...settlers for 1-state?

[Scootaloo]

34. I could tell you, if you promise to pay attention

Instead of flying off on some random bullshit tangent about how i'm of course, exactly like some terrible person such as Stephen Hawking or something.

[azurnoir]

35. exactly why I wasn't playing

albeit I think the settler plan hinges at keeping a Jewish majority forever and always or something

[shira]

36. So let's compare Greater Israel to BDS version of 1-state

Greater Israel hinges on a Jewish majority + liberal democracy.

The BDS version after full RoR allows for Hamas to be voted into power with the vast majority of Palestinians in favor of a state based on sharia law, which would be a far cry from the dream of a secular democracy "for all people".

How is the BDS version preferable?

[azurnoir]

38. How is the "Jewish Majority" to be maintained? n/t

[shira]

39. It would still be 2/3 Jews after the WB is absorbed...

No RoR, no Gaza incorporated into such a state.

So....?

[azurnoir]

41. So refugees are just cut loose left to rot have I got that right?

and the rights of Palestinian in such a state?

[shira]

44. Refugees should be absorbed into the countries they were born...

All Palestinians from the W.Bank would be offered citizenship & there would still be a 2/3 Jewish majority.

So.....?

[azurnoir]

47. Interesting weren't you promoting that very same thing recently?

[shira]

49. Part of Israel's Rightwing promotes that, like Caroline Glick...

...and Martin Sherman.

So....?

[azurnoir]

50. again were you or were you not promoting that exact ame thing? n/t

[shira]

52. I promote 2 states. There are other plans...

...like the Jordan/Egypt option, but who cares?

[azurnoir]

54. still not answering the question why?

[shira]

56. I only promote 2 states. I'm not for a greater Israel...

What's difficult about this?

I'm still waiting to hear from you why the BDS version of 1-state is better.

Well....?

[azurnoir]

58. and I'm waiting for you to answer the question

[shira]

61. What's wrong with you? I don't promote anything else but 2 states....

...so that goes to say I don't promote a 1-state solution.

Well...?

When are you going to answer me?

[azurnoir]

62. I asked you a question that for some reason you don't want to answer

and your for 2 states okay

[shira]

64. What did you ask that I didn't answer?

Do you believe that when I post or cite any article, I totally 100% agree with everything in it?

[azurnoir]

65. I asked if you were not promoting that Palestinian refugees be made citizens in the countries they

in presently as opposed to their own, a plan similar to the settlers, in fact it seems you were all over this thread about it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=43067

[shira]

67. I totally promote that Palestinians be absorbed as citizens in the countries....

..they were born into, like all other children of refugees the past 100 years.

You, being a proponent of equality for all people, should be in favor of one standard for all....

So why aren't you?

[azurnoir]

42. oh and one more thing how much West Bank land is being held by the JNF? n/t

[shira]

45. Why would that matter in a greater Israel? n/t

[azurnoir]

48. Because the JNF only leases land to Jews

is that why you seem to not want to answer?

[shira]

51. What do you expect in a Greater Israel? It would have to remain...

...a state very similar to the way it is now. Non-Jews still get equal rights by law.

So....?

[azurnoir]

53. supposedly we're told non-Jews have exactly equal rights now or so we're told

are you admitting that's not true

[shira]

55. Look into the ILA / JNF rules that compensate the JNF for land...

...that is bought by non-Jews. So apparently, anyone can own land but admittedly I don't know too much about this.

[azurnoir]

57. That case is still pending but what it would in effect do is allow the JNF to

retain and increase the amount of land it holds but never decrease the amount of land it has domain over

[azurnoir]

60. and BTW the BDS version of One State is for a secular democracy not a state of sharia law

as you claim here

The BDS version after full RoR allows for Hamas to be voted into power with the vast majority of Palestinians in favor of a state based on sharia law, which would be a far cry from the dream of a secular democracy "for all people".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=43787

[shira]

66. That's what they say, however their actions prove otherwise...

BDS groups like FreeGaza and the ISM support Hamas rather than advocate against Hamas' theocratic, totalitarian rule. In no way do BDS groups work to secularize a future Palestine or ensure equal rights for all.

Where is the big push by BDS to make a secular Palestinian democracy into reality? What are they doing to prepare the Palestinians for such an event?

[azurnoir]

68. The BDS movement promotes a secular democracy guilt by association isn't cutting it

but do we feel a picture being posted after all we haven't seen it in a couple of months and it seems to be a favorite

[shira]

70. And they're doing ZERO to make a secular democracy reality....

A good example is yourself.

You're against condemning and criticizing Hamas (what you call demonizing) for their treatment of gays and women, their suppression of free speech/press, etc. You believe fighting for civil rights there is delegitimizing them...

So how can BDS secular democracy happen when people like yourself are doing less than nothing to help bring it about?

[shira]

37. No bullshit tangents. Please, do tell.... n/t

[Scootaloo]

59. Alright then

The most "mainstream", and the one that BDS'ers who hold the idea of one state are probably speaking of, is an idea of one state (obviously), possibly binational, where "Israelis" and "Palestinians" are equal to one another under all aspects of the law, with the same rights, government access, and privileges as everyone else in the country.

The settler / right-wing version of one-state is rather different; it's not about two peoples forming a union and state together. Rather it's about one people sweeping away another and claiming their territory as part of the expansion of a state. Conquest, rather than unity, subjugation rather than equality. There's no place for Palestinians in this frame, except perhaps as day laborers.

One is unionism. The other is takeover. They both do lead to "one state," but to equate them over a math equation is a little daffy, if you ask me. It's like comparing the formation of one state between East and West Germany, and the formation of one state between Germany and Czechoslovakia. Sure you get "one state" either way, but the apparatus and ideology and methods and goals are radically different.

[shira]

63. The Greater Israel 1-state would be similar to what we see today in Israel....

...but with a 2/3 majority rather than 4/5. Palestinians are guaranteed equal rights by law. That's worst case scenario.

The BDS version is dependent on Palestinians actually preferring a genuinely secular democracy over a theocracy. That is not what they prefer, however. There are no examples of any majority Muslim Arab states in the region that are both successful & free democracies that have equal rights for all. The best example of a binational state is Lebanon, no longer Christian majority, and that's just one hot mess.

The BDS version of a secular 1-state solution would not only have to be forced onto the Jews, but also the vast majority of Palestinians who prefer a state similar to that of Jordan or other Pan-Arab nation states (Egypt before 2010, Syria, Iraq before 2003). Takes 2 to tango, doesn't it? 9 of every 10 Palestinians don't want secular democracy. How do you overcome that?

The BDS version is colonialism in drag, where a solution is imposed on > 95% of all the natives (both Jews and Arabs). The reason why Hamas and the PA are for one state isn't because they have the BDS version in mind (which is blasphemy to them). They want the Pan-Arab (Nasser/Hussein) version with sharia as the basis for all law. Imagine yourself living in such a state w/o any of the rights you take for granted. Can't do it, can you? And you blame Jews for not wanting that?

But let's imagine the BDS version has a good chance of happening peacefully, which it doesn't. How do you guarantee such a state will be more free and democratic than any other nation on the planet (which all fail in comparison to the BDS vision you have in mind)?

[Scootaloo]

69. You asked me what the difference was, I told you

If you want to flail away at your own assumptions, you go right ahead, I really have little time to engage you over it, because I know no matter what you're going to stick with whatever already in your head.

Also, you seem to be stuck on the assumption that I advocate for one-state. I don't. More accurately, I don't think it's important how many states there are, so long as the conflict is resolved peacefully and - this is important - fairly. Two states? Okay, let's talk two states. Two-state solution isn't panning out? Well then let's look at other options. One state? Three? A confederacy of city-states? The final count doesn't much matter, the goal is to resolve the conflict in a way that is acceptable to the people involved.

[shira]

71. That difference has to be based on reality...

The BDS version isn't even realistic, given that no other nation on this planet exists (or has ever existed) that meets your qualifications. Never mind that the vast majority of Palestinian people reject secularism.

Let's talk reality. What nation out there has been able to guarantee women and LGBT rights?

[Scootaloo]

72. Again, you asked what the difference between the two versions was

You have the answer you were asking for, whether you think one version is realistic and the other isn't, or whatever's going on in that head of yours, I don't really care. There's a difference, you've been told what that difference is, and now I have faith that you will at least try to stop conflating them, yes? Thanks, have a good day.

[shira]

73. The BDS vision is as realistic as Alice Walker's Reptilian Space Aliens ruling the planet...

I don't see how you can compare a realistic plan to one that's based on fantasy and delusion.

The reason rational people resist the BDS vision is because that vision is complete bullshit that would result in a future Hamastan & nightmare scenario for all Jews involved. There's nothing wrong with resisting such idiocy.

[azurnoir]

74. so believing that there could be a secular democracy in Israel, is like believing in space reptilian

you heard it here first folks

[shira]

78. Your version that "guarantees" equal rights for all doesn't yet exist...

There's no nation on this planet that can guarantee women and LGBT rights.

[Scootaloo]

75. You want to argue really badly, don't you?

Third time; I explained to you what the difference is between the two beliefs you keep trying to conflate, after you asked. You have the answer you were looking for, yes? One is union, the other is conquest. What you personally think of either direction is irrelevant, they remain different ideas, and now you know how they are different.

[Shaktimaan]

91. So they expect

A huge refugee population with no money, little land, no knowledge of hebrew, very few applicable job skills for Israel's hi tech economy to basically flood in, doubling Israel's population. Despite their extreme poverty their first order would be joining the army of their hated enemy for the last 100 years. Then they'll be competing with a well established, well educated, internationally connected population of Israeli Jews who will undoubtedly resent seeing the bulk of their taxes going to a welfare state that spends most of its resources on non-Jews who hate them.

Seriously. How does anyone see this working? If the very thought of it caused a three YEAR riot in the 30s, what about today makes this viable?

[King_David]

13. Ha ha ha ha

LOL

[azurnoir]

24. perhaps but in the world of music

I can tell you who is taken more seriously and it ain't the Pet Shop Boys

[jessie04]

9. No question....ask Nadrah.

nt

[WatermelonRat]

11. This "apartheid" comparison reminds me

of the "Jena Six" case. If the charge had fit the crime, nobody would have defended the perpetrators who beat up another kid. But because the assault was treated as attempted murder, thousands of people rallied around them all over the country and by the end the discussion about the crime was displaced by the unfairness of the charge. The same is true here: by comparing them to Apartheid the actual injustices are minimalized.

[shira]

16. The Apartheid charge is just a smear attempt for the most part....

...by sanctimonious bigots whose hate of Jews barely exceeds the loathing they have of Palestinians.

[oberliner]

17. Do you think Alicia Keys will cancel?

I'm surprised that she hasn't yet.

[shira]

18. Don't know. I'm sure she's under tremendous pressure to do so. n/t

[oberliner]

22. You should see her FB page

Totally deluged.

[shira]

26. Honestly, I don't have the stomach to view all that garbage...

How nasty is it?

[oberliner]

27. Pretty much exactly what you'd expect

Basically the Alice Walker stuff in various guises.

[shira]

31. At least the BDS holes couldn't convince Barbra Streisand to stay out...

Here she is at Peres' 90th birthday bash...

[oberliner]

33. Very different situation

I think Alicia Keys is getting a lot of people appealing to the fact that she is African-American as being salient.

[Israeli]

40. interesting who paid for it tho ...

REF : http://972mag.com/arms-dealers-major-capitalists-fund-peres-90th-birthday-bash/73987/

just sayin

[shira]

43. Socialists could've paid for it, and it wouldn't make a difference

You'll find that your International "Leftwing" friends couldn't give a damn whether Israel was/is a socialist nation, built from the ground up by socialists.

[Israeli]

76. yeah right shira ...

pull the other one....
as if you care

they are all anti-Semites ......damn them !!

and Shulamit Aloni is a liar

[shira]

80. Yossi Gurvitz figured the International Left out...

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...for being rightwingers who couldn't care less about socialism.

http://972mag.com/time-for-a-changing-of-the-guard/

Maybe it's time you figure it out too.

Why the ad hoc alliance with international left activists is unhelpful to the Israeli left, and should end

One of the phenomena characterizing the coverage of the J14 protests from the beginning was the long faces of a significant number of notable international peace activists. But…but… but you’re not talking about the occupation, they demanded of the marching Israelis. They were soundly ignored, the protest became a mass success, and they became much more bitter.

At one point – it was during the third or fourth week of the protests – one of them wrote it was a struggle “about the price of cottage cheese”. I politely invited him to join Netanyahu’s PR team. He was gravely insulted, and I sincerely hope he won’t forgive me; yet the claims of many international activists against J14 were greatly similar to those of Netanyahu’s PR. We were told it’s the protest of people living in luxury, who fail to deal with the only real thing around here. Netanyahu’s bureau would call it The Second Independence War/The Second Zionist War/The Great War against the Dark Palestinian Conspiracy; the international activists just call it by that much more common name, the occupation.

As the protest grew stronger, they grew ever more bitter, spending much of their time mocking it. This behaviour raises two questions: One, just what sort of a leftist spends so much energy on opposing a protest intended to bring about a social-democratic regime, which did much to bring together Jews and Palestinians, and the only protest in the last decade – at least – which presented to a crowd of several hundred thousand Jews Palestinian speakers. The second question is: Just what the hell happened to your sense of solidarity? Why can’t you show some good will towards people who stood by your side in the West Bank, and consumed alongside you bulk quantities of CS gas?

The depressing answer is we’re not dealing with leftist, but rather with Palestinian right-winger. They suffer from tunnel-vision: All they see is the occupation.

[Israeli]

82. LOL

I'm not anywhere near Yossi Gurvitz shira but.... Maybe it's time you figure it out too.

calling Shulamit Aloni a liar is the red line you just dont cross with us ...

[shira]

83. I see you're loyal to Aloni. That's fine...

...but you could just say she's on top of things, generally correct about all her politics, but wrong for making that particular claim.

Is that too difficult for you?

[Israeli]

87. yes ...

because Shulamit Aloni is not a liar shira no more than Shlomo Sand is or Gideon Levi or Uri Avnery are .... and what do they all have in common ?

[shira]

84. What's wrong with Gurvitz?

I would think collusion with the BDS 1-state crowd is the red line to cross, not calling out a lie for what it is.

Keep focused. Two-states, not one. As you can see here, your International Leftwing "friends" love entertaining the thought of 1-state.

Maybe you should remind your new "friends" here why 1-state is a bad idea.

[Israeli]

88. oops ..

I forgot Amira Hass ...

What's wrong with Gurvitz?

I'll tell you when we meet up shira not something I wish to share on a public forum .

[Scootaloo]

86. Built from the ground up, huh?

Haifa, Ashdod, Jerusalem, Beersheba, Beisan, Ramla, Lod, these places just sprouted from the ground in 1949+, like mushrooms after a rain I suppose...

[oberliner]

79. Good lord, capitalists!!

Scary!!

[Israeli]

89. you missed out ...

the arms dealer bit .

BTW what do you say oberliner .... is Shulamit Aloni a liar ?
or perhaps shira just cant face reality ???

[Scootaloo]

77. News from Montgomery: Whites continue to ride bus, negros to call off boycott

MONTGOMERY TIMES-PICAYUNE - May 25, 1956

Negro activists staged a gathering for the press today to announce that they will be ending their boycott against Montgomery bus lines, in light of recent developments showing that White Montgomerians continue to use public transit services.

"We were frankly surprised," said one rev. Martin King when asked for comment. "It was a shocking revelation to us. we never would have guessed, in all our years, that white people would not join our movement against the discrimination evident in the city's busing service."

Fellow activists seemed to agree unanimously. "Well, I guess that's it then," opined a Ms. Jo Robinson. "If white folks keep on getting on the bus, there's not much use in keeping this up, is there?"

Rosa Parks, a Montgomery seamstress whose arrest helped spark the boycott, seemed to agree. "We all knew from the start this had to be all-or-nothing. It couldn't just be black people getting off the buss; to mean something, everyone had to get off. But white people, well, they're staying on the bus, and it looks like they don't mind all the extra elbow room." she heaved a sigh and continued "It was a nice idea. I hoped, I really, truly hoped. Now I just feel like I've wasted five months doing all this."

Still, Ms. Parks was able to find a small silver lining. "I suppose after all this walking everywhere, I can't complain about having sore feet on the bus, can I?"

[shira]

81. There are good boycotts & there are rotten ones vs. Jews, like the Nazi one. n/t

[Scootaloo]

85. Your phrasing leaves me puzzled

Are you saying that you believe that the BDS movement, like the Nazi boycotts, is solely "because Jews," born entirely out of institutionalized antisemitic hate?

Or are you saying that all boycotts that impact Jews are inherently rotten because Jews should universally be spared bcuase of hteir jewishness?

I ask because your phrasing is a little vague and, based on both your eagerness to abuse the dead corpses of Holocaust victims by calling every little thing "like the Nazis" and your very clear belief in Jewish exceptionalism, your statement could go either way.