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Irish teachers became the first in Europe to support the Palestinian call for an academic boycott of Israel on Thursday.
The Teachers Union of Ireland (TUI) branded Israel an "apartheid state" at its annual congress.
A motion - which passd unanimously - called on "all members to cease all cultural and academic collaboration with Israel, including the exchange of scientists, students and academic personalities, as well as all co-operation in research programmes."
The motion further called on the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to "step up its campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions against the apartheid state of Israel until it lifts its illegal siege of Gaza and its illegal occupation of the West Bank."
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King_David
(14,851 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Just about every single physician teacher at my hospital will be at local Yom Haatzmaut festivities .
I don't imagine an academic boycott of Israel ever taking hold in any country outside the Middle East and probably not even .. EVER..
Especially not in the Medical Physician field..
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)maybe their recent history has a bit to do with that or something
shira
(30,109 posts)...that both the siege and occupation are illegal, which they are not.
And it's not my opinion. It's that of the UN, as the Palmer commission recently ruled the siege is legal and UNSCR242 permits Israel to occupy the territories until there is an agreement on secure, recognized borders.
Just more anti-Israel prejudice based on lies and deceit.
Are you proud of yourself for supporting a cause based almost entirely on lies?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and that sets premise, but feel quite free to call that whatever you wish
shira
(30,109 posts)http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/teachers-academic-unanimous.html
Try defending that.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and I find your try defending that statement rather peculiar, fact is I do not have to try, it needs no 'defending' what needs defending is your apparent justification of the continuing occupation and settlement enterprise
shira
(30,109 posts)That pretty much sums up everything about you on I/P.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that is your own assertion
shira
(30,109 posts)You can spin that into settlements all you want, but those are lies and you know it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and you are once again more than welcome to defend all of that till the cows come home
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 6, 2013, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)
You're not fooling anyone, not even yourself.
It's just one more lie piled onto a mountain of other lies that you support, like the BDS lie that Israel is apartheid even within the green line.
It's so bad, you're not even trying to defend it (not that you can). You'll cry denial til the cows come home, but you feel no shame whatsoever. No embarrassment. Nothing.
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If this were a court of law, admissible evidence (not propaganda) would be submitted that would impeach Israel's defamers. It would be open and shut - just like Karsenty's case you mentioned WRT al-Dura, for anyone objective looking at the evidence.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that right there is a breech of international law
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Our screeching friend will be just fine with that, since Palestinians aren't willing to defer in a "reasonable" manner to their military overlords. As our screecher explains, the Palestinians will be left to make what they can of the several isolated bantustans remaining, their entire communication with the outside world will remain subjugated to the Israeli masters. This will be justified, in the end, by screechings about how Palestinians engage in child sacrifice and so on, showing that they have a morality less than that of wild animals.
Pam Geller redux.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel 'giving up' just enough land to connect the bantustans, most of which are 5ciustered quite close together, ending up with what would amount to a Palestinian island surrounded on all sides by Israel, dependent on Israel's good will for all access in or out not to mention water, power ect. Creating in essence another Gaza but with out the coastal view, sort of a self fulfilling prophecy of something
delrem
(9,688 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Aware of the real reason the roads were segregated by citizenship?
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and is derived from the name of Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in Lough Mask House, near Ballinrobe in County Mayo, Ireland, who was subject to social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880. As harvests had been poor that year, Lord Erne offered his tenants a ten percent reduction in their rents. In September of that year, protesting tenants demanded a twenty five percent reduction, which Lord Erne refused. Boycott then attempted to evict eleven tenants from the land. Charles Stewart Parnell, in a speech in Ennis prior to the events in Lough Mask, proposed that when dealing with tenants who take farms where another tenant was evicted, rather than resorting to violence, everyone in the locality should shun them. While Parnell's speech did not refer to land agents or landlords, the tactic was first applied to Boycott when the alarm was raised about the evictions. Despite the short-term economic hardship to those undertaking this action, Boycott soon found himself isolated his workers stopped work in the fields and stables, as well as in his house. Local businessmen stopped trading with him, and the local postman refused to deliver mail.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... (or vice versa) in Northern Ireland and then talk to me about apartheid.
Ireland should take a good look at their own troubles before wasting time singling out Jewish academics.
King_David
(14,851 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)The only prejudice I saw during my time in Eire was towards rude tourists and even that was in an oh so polite way.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)...not the British colonial outpost in the north. With a little research on the Ulster Plantation, you may notice the ironic parallels with Palestine. I, for one, am very proud of my ancestral home, the old sod once again.
cali
(114,904 posts)intellectual boycotts.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Starting from an economic boycott, something any consumer can contribute to and so both applying an all too easily dismissible pressure internally but a not so easily dismissible large-scale involvement from outside. But economic boycotts don't work unless applied multinationally at a state level, at the level of sanctions as now in place against Iran and NK. Even at that it's a bit doubtful that they work. They sometimes just force states to become more resilient, self-reliant, and to look for other economic avenues.
In the case of putting pressure on SA to eliminate the apartheid ideology (I deliberately put it in those terms rather than anything like "the elimination of SA" because the aim is to change the orientation of a political rule from anti-equality to equality, not to "wipe a state off the map" , it was found that cultural boycotts, in particular an international boycott of SA sports proved quite effective.
1. SA took great pride in the achievement of its athletes, and
2. SA did not like being ostracized from international venues where those states that it wanted to associate with were participating.
It worked because it was visible to all SA people, it couldn't be hid, and it hit the people most at issue in "the moral/cultural gut".
Israel rightly takes pride in its intellectual achievements. An "intellectual boycott", per se, isn't achievable and I agree with you that any attempt at such a thing is both undesirable and counter-productive (so I disagree with that ass Galloway, refusing to debate with an Israeli. WTF???). Hell, nobody participating in DU I/P could agree with such a boycott without self-contradiction. But at some level I see cultural boycotts as being possibly useful - producing long term gain out of the short term pain.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)It will only prove that the world, once again, is out to get the Jews. And it's not just Israel's right that will believe this, but also its liberals and leftists in the peace-camp as well. When you BDS the Israeli peace-camp along with Israel's rightwing instead of working alongside PeaceNow or Gush-Shalom that's proof-positive BDS isn't about peace at all, and that it's only used as a bludgeon to get at the Jews.
Stick to the settlements & you won't be accused of malicious intent. Start confusing the settlements with Israel itself and you'll unite Israelis together against BDS.
BDS leaders know this but don't care, and that's the problem. They are in no way interested in working with Israel's peace-camp. After all, Israel's peace-camp is for 2 states and BDS is for 1. So BDS will try to use their cause to bring Israel to its knees rather than work with Israel's peace-camp in order to change public opinion (which would then elect the proper Israeli leadership that would comply).
It's worked before. Netanyahu was defeated in 1999 by Ehud Barak b/c the Israeli Left was successful in getting the populace to believe peace could happen. Netanyahu had no chance. Work with the Israeli populace rather than alienate it (and their peace-camp) if you want real change. If the goal is to destroy Israel, then give up on all Israelis, work against every one of them, and try forcing Israel to its knees. IOW, the Hamas strategy...
Now look around here on I/P and see if you can find any of your fellow pro-Palestinian advocates who support PeaceNow or Gush-Shalom and you'll find.....none. What does that tell you?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Is BDS "out to get the Jews", or are they working on Israel to change its policies?
King_David
(14,851 posts)QED
We stuck to the settlements and look what happened :
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/events/1309212609
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/israel-s-boycott-law-the-quiet-sound-of-going-fascist-1.372881
http://972mag.com/boycott-law-proves-israels-one-state-vision/18740/
If you think Ehud Barak represents the Israeli Left or peace you are saddly mistaken .
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)Irish teachers, like those in the UK and many other countries, would seem to have more pressing problems:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/quinn-stands-over-education-job-cuts-217087.html
http://www.e-include.eu/en/articles/913-children-with-disabilities-hit-again-by-educational-cuts
http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/why-teachers-are-right-to-fight-education-cuts-227401.html
I hope their union activists are not distracted by a boycott of imaginary collaborations with Israel, into neglecting these major issues.