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Related: About this forumOf Hope and Pain: Rachel Corrie’s Rafah Legacy
By Ramzy Baroud
Saturday, March 23, 2013
‘Rachel’s last email’ was not dated on the Rachel Corrie Foundation website. It must have been written soon after her last email to her mother, Cindy, on Feb 28. She was killed by an Israeli bulldozer on March 16, 2003.
Immediately after her painful death, crushed beneath an Israeli army bulldozer, Rafah embraced her legacy as another ‘martyr’ for Palestine. It was a befitting tribute to Rachel, who was born to a progressive family in the town of Olympia, itself a hub for anti-war and social justice activism. But Olympia is also the capital of Washington State. Politicians here can be as callous, morally flexible and pro-Israel as any other seats of government in the US, where sharply dressed men and women jockey for power and influence. Ten years after Rachel’s death, the US government is yet to hold Israel to account. Neither is justice expected anytime soon.
Bordering Egyptian and Israeli fences, and ringed by some of the poorest refugee camps anywhere, Rafah has never ceased being a news topic in years. The town’s gallantry of the First Palestinian Uprising (Intifada) in 1987 was the stuff of legends among other resisting towns, villages and refugee camps in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. The Israeli army used Rafah as a testing ground for a lesson to be taught to the rest of Palestinians. Thus, its list of ‘martyrs’ is one of the longest, and it is unlikely to stop growing anytime soon. Many of Rafah’s finest perished digging tunnels into Egypt to break the Israeli economic blockade that followed Palestine’s democratic elections in 2006. Buried under heaps of mud, drowning in Egyptian sewage water, or pulverized by Israeli missiles, some of Rafah’s men are yet to be located for proper burial.
Full Article: http://www.zcommunications.org/of-hope-and-pain-rachel-corrie-s-rafah-legacy-by-ramzy-baroud
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holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/TheForgottenRachels.html
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)died during the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. And yet Anne Frank gets all the attention.
You're outraged, I'm sure.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... Anne Frank was German
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That really seems to be your go-to analogy for all things related to I/P for some reason.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)and for all Peace activists ...
Emil Grunzweig
Emil Grunzweig, a key activist in Peace Now, was murdered on February 10, 1983 during a demonstration that set out from Zion Square and moved towards Prime Ministers' Office in Jerusalem.
At this demonstration, Peace Now demanded from Menachem Begin, then Prime Minister, to adopt the Kahan Committee's recommendations. The committee (which investigated the Sabra and Shatila transgressions) had criticized the Prime Minister, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Chief of Staff, but did not find them fully responsibility for their deeds. On the other hand, it did demand the dismissal of the Minister of Defense and two officers that were responsible for the massacre.
Because Begin did not immediately declare endorsement of the recommendations – Peace Now decided to hold a demonstration.
The demonstration that was surrounded by a right-wing, hostile and violent crowd, moved towards the Prime Minister's Office among shouting, cursing, pushing and hitting.
Emil Grunzweig was murdered by a grenade thrown by Yona Avrushmi, a right-wing activist.
Emil Grunzweig was murdered as a result of a wild incitement from the right.
http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/emil-grunzweig
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Did you know that?
King_David
(14,851 posts)The perpetrator of the attack, Yona Avrushmi, turned out to be a petty criminal who had spent time in prison after being convicted of a litany of violent crimes – including attacking a policeman, committing an indecent act against a child, assault and using threats to extort.
The police failed to find other suspects who might have helped or incited Avrushmi to throw the grenade – although skeptics continue to believe that more sophisticated political elements had put him up to it.
He was convicted of murder and given a mandatory life sentence, which was commuted to 27 years in prison by president Ezer Weizman in 1995.
In 2002, after completing two-thirds of his sentence, Avrushmi asked the Parole Board for an early release.
The board agreed, but changed its mind after being instructed by the Supreme Court to reconsider the matter, and assess whether he still posed a danger to society.
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/The-troubled-personality-of-Yona-Avrushmi
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Murderers shouldn't be let out of prison in my opinion.
King_David
(14,851 posts)But I agree with you.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)that stays true for Yigal Amir , but I have my doubts .
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I certainly hope not.
but there are those amongst the Likud leadership , such as Moshe Feiglin and others outside of the Likud ,even further right wing than he is who are actively working to have him released .
I dont think Bibi will ever support such a move , he knows that if there is one thing that will unite all of us against him it would be that and he may be many things but he aint stupid .
This says it all oberliner and I seriously suggest you read all of her speech :
http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/hagit-ofrans-speech-rabin-national-memorial
oberliner
(58,724 posts)To me, being a Zionist means striving for a better Israel, doing everything to end the conflict between us and the Palestinians, thereby shoring up the legitimacy of the core Zionist concept: a state of the Jewish people in the land of Israel. The struggle for such a Zionism and such a state, it turns out, was not concluded in 1948; it continues in our own time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hagit-ofran/liberal-zionists-speak-out-many-meanings-of-zionism_b_1454049.html
Israeli
(4,157 posts)yes she is , much better example of such than Uri Avnery or Gideon Levy or Amira Hass or even Yossi Gurvitz.
However oberliner... she is as much of an Israeli Leftist as they are and she also has had her voice heard on 972 ,
ref : http://972mag.com/settlement-round-up-thousands-new-homes-planned-for-east-jerusalem-west-bank/62443/
so be careful as she said , and I quote :
they are trying to silence the public debate. They are trying to legislate against the expression of certain opinions and they are trying by legislation to prevent organizations from operating. They are trying to silence media that don't please the government.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Israeli
(4,157 posts)although I could do without the hamsin today after last night ... hot dry and dusty here
all that pesach cleaning ... for what ??
King_David
(14,851 posts)Brr so cold ...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't disagree with anything you've written here.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)either oberliner
or with anything Hagit Ofran has to say , whether it be in Rabin Square or on 972.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Here's my honest take on 972mag.
There are some good writers there who raise some important issues.
There are some articles that are silly and suggest negative generalizations about Israelis based on the behavior of a few. I daresay that the MO of some contributors is to find anything negative they can in order to forward this narrative (as the folks at PalWatch and other similar sites do with respect to negative generalizations about Palestinians).
There are some writers who have their own personal issues with Judaism (Yossi Gurvitz comes to mind) and allow that perception to color their view of anything that relates to Jewish Israelis in a way that biases the reporting and does not allow for seeing things outside of a very narrow and warped lens.
There are also one or two writers (Larry Derfner, for example) who have shown themselves in other contexts to be not reliable and completely unwilling to admit errors even in the face of significant evidence (as in the Greta Berlin defense).
I also think it's funny, bordering on ridiculous, how, almost without exception, every single article that is posted there gets re-posted here within minutes/hours.
My preference, for what it's worth (which isn't much), would be for this forum to limit itself to actual news items related to I/P in a similar manner to LBN. That way, the very knowledgeable and wide-ranging contributors here could respond to the news of the day with relation to the conflict rather than rehashing the same arguments over and over ad infinitum to no particular end.
There could be a permanent link at the top of the group where all the 972mag articles are collected for reference since there are those who want to make sure those pieces are as widely read as possible.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)Pesach can be described in one word .... and that one word is freedom .
Shutting down voices that dont agree with yours is not freedom oberliner.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't think any voices should be shut down.
Telling me I can't express my strong disagreement when I find something disagreeable is not freedom either.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)I don't think any voices should be shut down either .
Feel free to disagree with my politics whenever as I will feel free to disagree with yours .
pelsar
(12,283 posts)they clearly limit who can post....and these are not extremists either. Personally i reject any claim that anyone wants to
"shut down the debate"
that is quite impossible, every side wishes to limit the "other side" be it right or left, and both are equally wrong and neither have any credibility.
However in this particular case the left/progressive are far more wrong in their attempts to limit free speech. whereas the right in israel would like to have theocratic govt, which by definition limits free speech they are being consistent, the left (972) is being hypocritical.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)I take it you are referring to comments pelsar, each voice is responsible for their own comments moderation ,so its an individual decision and not a group decision .
that is quite impossible, every side wishes to limit the "other side" be it right or left, and both are equally wrong and neither have any credibility.
If I didnt know better you sound like a Centralist pelsar, personally its you that sounds like a
hypocrite to me and not 972.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)however the principle still stands.......they (several) refuse to allow comments from "normal people"
seems to me that pretty much defines "shutting down the conversation as per your definition
or am i wrong?
and since i dont agree that any one should stop any one from saying anything how does that make me a hypocrite?
centralist?...sometimes, on some issues, sometimes i agree with the right on somethings, but i'm more firmly on the israeli left (amnon rubenstein was the one i was always most impressed with)
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if 972 wants just to be a sounding board, thats fine, but then no one should be defending them and talking about "shutting down the conversation" in the same post....
Enough already .
shira would be happy if Haaretz closed down tomorrow .. let 972 be
and let the adults decide for themselves
its the content thats hashouv pelsar not the comments
shira
(30,109 posts)Correction to your post....
Shira would be happy if Haaretz chose to present the actual news rather than fabricating it.
Israeli
(4,157 posts)I don't agree , I also don't agree with you that the disengagement from the Gush was ethnic cleansing .... I'm sure you were one of the ones dressed in orange from top to toe cursing out our boys in uniform .
I probably wont agree with anything you have to say , I seriously don't like our religious right wing shira ... and with good reason .
shira
(30,109 posts)I agree with the disengagement, even to this day.
It's worked out better for Israel, not so much for the Gazans who have to live under Hamas...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)do you have the candor for that 
shira
(30,109 posts)...and dead IDF soldiers as a result. And rockets were striking Sderot before the disengagement anyway...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel Reconsidered, if memory serves you and shira were regular contributors there until JPost fired Derfner then you both suddenly stopped for some reason
pelsar
(12,283 posts)were not allowed to comment..i tried others on the 972 ..same thing...
clearly they are interested in "shutting down the conversation"
(anyways, i dont like those kind of forums, as the discussions are pretty limited, unlike the DU)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)rsgengland, vadim, and the trespasser all of whom are ah ProIsrael and quite militantly so, I've posted there and have debated one of those 3 recently but not as azurnoir albeit you might spot me as I haven't said anything there that I haven't said here and to you in particular
pelsar
(12,283 posts)i actually stopped visiting, after being tossed out, not so much for lack of interest but there are only so many places to visit, so they kinda did me a favor.....(I stlll have to work and it appears with my age, my abilities to get distracted appear to have increased..)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and I already told you maybe Defner and Reider remember you 
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:58 PM - Edit history (1)
Tell us that the next time you feel the need to post articles on beauty queens in I/P. Okay.
I have to call you on your BS, and it is BS. If you had posted this once I could possibly see no harm in it, but it isn't the second or third time you have lobbied for this amongst the viewers of I/P. Your goal IMHO is to corral all of 972 into a black hole where one would have to dig for information. Seemingly these sub posts would be hidden from the front page of DU whereas your posts would not. Am I wrong? I don't believe so.
You would have I/P segregate 972mag articles from the general population just as Israel does it to the Palestinians themselves. I guess that 972 really has you hurting so much, and since you can't label them as anti-Semites you'll just bulldoze them under: hide them away from DU.
Now if that isn't Jim Crow in action what is?
I also think it's funny, bordering on ridiculous, how, almost without exception, every single article that is posted from 972 gets the same reaction from you. Nothing of value, but plenty of hand wringing.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I tried to reasonably present my point of view on the subject with complete candor and seriousness.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I actually spent a lot of time thinking about it and tried to present my views on the site as honestly as I could.
It is unfortunate that you can not accept that in the spirit it was given.
shira
(30,109 posts)Palestinians are victims, so they and their supporters always tell the truth.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Not true. Israeli policies are wrong, and there are those who will never acknowledge that. There are those who lie and tell the truth in both columns. There are also those who are shrill.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as you see shown here by a couple of peoples attempt at a hijack under seemingly innocent pretenses
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)* From 2012 and still apt.
Anne and Rachel: a Legacy of Two Martyrs
by JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN
Sixty-Seven years after the end of World War II, a team of researchers and cameramen from the Anne Frank House in Holland showed up at the Capitol Lakes retirement center in Madison, Wisconsin to interview my father-in-law, Fritz Loewenstein. Fritz is the only known person still living who had been boyhood friends with Anne Frank’s “secret annex” companion, Peter van Pels (known in the Diary as Peter van Damm).
The oral historical account Fritz gave lasted over two hours, the interviewers – including Teresien da Silva, head of collections at the Anne Frank House in the Netherlands, who traveled to Madison personally – asked probing and thorough questions about every aspect of his life before his family fled Germany, especially insofar as it intersected with Peter van Pels’. For Fritz this meant recalling many unwanted ghosts of his own past and what it was like for him as a Jewish schoolboy, growing up under the darkening cloud of Nazism in 1930s Germany. There is no question that Anne Frank’s life and death, and all who played a part in it, still capture the imagination of millions long after her senseless and systematic killing. Fritz’s account of his childhood friendship with Peter will be featured prominently in new documentary footage on Anne Frank that will become available at the Anne Frank House later this year. Over a million people visit the Anne Frank House annually to see for themselves the place where Anne lived with her family and the van Pelses in hiding for more than three years.
Fritz Loewenstein’s father was a doctor in Osnabrueck in the 1920s and 1930s. Germany had been their family’s home for generations and they had lived successfully there, cultured and upstanding German patriots, for decades. The Loewensteins hoped very much to weather the worst of the National Socialist rule, but as time passed it grew clearer to Fritz’s father and mother that they would have to get their family out. Fritz recalls his own, personal anti-Hitler campaign: washing the swastikas off the door of his father’s clinic each morning. That was in the spring of 1937 as it grew increasingly difficult for Jews to leave Germany. The Loewenstein family, at least that part of it, was fortunate: they were able to get out with some of their belongings and immigrate to the United States, the first choice of many Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazi regime. They ended up in Binghamton, New York, where my husband, David Loewenstein, grew up.
Throughout the interview with the crew from the Anne Frank House, David marveled at what an iconic figure Anne Frank has become. People of all ages the world over still read Anne’s remarkable Diary and visit the place where Anne hid from the Nazis with her family after the Germans invaded and occupied Holland. I remember reading Anne Frank’s Diary when I was twelve, utterly absorbed in the world of this creative and eloquent child despite the fact that she and her family were caught and deported to concentration camps where everyone but Anne’s father, Otto, ultimately perished. She nevertheless remains a beacon of hope and perseverance to victims everywhere who have suffered persecution. Although some have tried to claim that Anne’s life and death were uniquely Jewish experiences, fully comprehensible only to other Jews,
I believe that the source of Anne’s appeal is universal. In both her life and death, Anne Frank embodies the human will and desire to live and resist some of the worst odds imaginable. We recognize in Anne a child wrestling with the circumstances of a nightmarish human condition.
On August 28th, 2012 in Israel, Judge Oded Gershon issued the verdict in the civil trial of Rachel Corrie. Unsurprisingly, however, the Israeli State and Military Machine exonerated itself from all responsibility for Rachel’s killing. I expected this. In the nine years since she was crushed to death by a D-9 armored Caterpillar bulldozer out doing routine – illegal and unconscionable – work destroying the landscape and the lives of tens of thousands of people from Rafah, Gaza, Rachel Corrie is still virtually unknown to the vast majority of the educated US public. Unlike Anne Frank, whose life has been immortalized by the circumstances of her death, Rachel’s name, life, and death have been virtually blacked out of US official history like the news out of Palestine generally. Both remain unknown, obscured, or distorted by deliberate disinformation.
The cause Rachel died defending, and the people she stood up for – people whose voices have yet to receive equal validation as credible and legitimate voices bearing witness to their own suffering and ruin – are still waiting to receive the long overdue recognition they deserve as the indigenous inhabitants of historic Palestine against whom a crime of unimaginable brutality and magnitude was committed. Until Israel acknowledges, offers reparation, and honors International Law and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; Until the Israeli State can publicly apologize for the enormous historic injustice committed against the indigenous people of Palestine – the wound it has created will continue to fester and spread, as it already has, across the Middle East and into the four corners of the world casting modern day Israel into the role of a Pariah State. Its status as such has been increasingly recognized, even by western powers, that understand Israel can continue to act with impunity only as long as it remains under the protective umbrella of US military power.
Rachel Corrie was a resilient, articulate, and defiant 23-year-old college student who went to Gaza with other members of the International Solidarity Movement to bear witness to Israel’s ruthless and deliberate destruction of a coherent Palestinian national life, history, and culture. Because Rachel stood up for the voiceless victims on the wrong side of US-Israeli Middle East policy, her name and legacy have been blacked out of official historical records like classified information. She exists in whispers only; a shadow in the halls of power and in the mainstream media where the official version of modern political-historical events is authorized and spun; where US support and complicity in Israel’s regional hegemonic goals help sustain the necessary illusion of Israel’s overall benevolence.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/31/a-legacy-of-two-martyrs/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Definitely good example of why that loathsome site was banned on DU2.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I prefer to let things stand so people can get a full picture of different posters and where they are coming from.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not that there are a plethora of folks following this discussion - but to those who do, glean what insights you may.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there is an OP that source on the front page right now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022597071
and EI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1224125
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The E.I. OP remains, interesting.
Seriously, at CP, I have read OP's I do not agree with, have read OP's many times in the NYT's and other
publications I don't agree with either. The NYT's spent a good deal of time pushing for invading Iraq, yet I
doubt they were ever banned from a left political website for being war mongers.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Q. to all: Why was Counterpunch banned on DU2?
I find that hard to fathom. Was DU2 for right-wing so-called "liberals" only, or what?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And I would say your question is also not surprising.
delrem
(9,688 posts)for someone curious about 21st century politics.
shira
(30,109 posts)See website below for actual links to all the charges:
Counterpunch published an article by Alison Weir which alleges that the blood libel, (the charge that Jews ritually murdered gentiles), is true and is related to the false reports, in 2009, regarding Israeli thefts of human organs from Palestinians.
CounterPunch has made a cause celebre of Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.
CounterPunch’s Alexander Cockburn has advanced the argument that Jews have a stranglehold on the U.S. media.
CounterPunch has published bizarre conspiracy theories, such as one piece written by Paul Craig Roberts about the Iranian protests in 2009, with the title “Are the Iranian protests another American orchestrated ‘Color Revolution‘?”
CounterPunch‘s Alexander Cockburn has cheered on mass-murdering Islamist terrorists in Iraq.
CounterPunch has advanced dual loyalty canards about Jews, and xenophobic narratives about how Washington is “occupied” by Israel
Counterpunch also has often welcomed Eric Walburg, a neo Nazi, to publish at their site. Walburg is also a Holocaust denier who, on the pages of CounterPunch, engaged in pro-Taliban propaganda.
CounterPunch published a rant by Jennifer Loewenstein, about a “Gazan Holocaust”, which included a passage referring to Israelis as “Neo-Jewish Masters” who used the Gaza war as a “pretext to carry out mass murder of the Arab Untermenschen.”
CounterPunch published the fascist Holocaust denier, and blood libel promoter, ‘Israel Shamir‘.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/07/25/guardian-praises-anti-semitic-site-counterpunch-as-progressive/
delrem
(9,688 posts)It does change my attitude to the site as a whole, for sure - so I'll keep that in mind.
However, I'm filled with joy that you insinuate that I agree with all that fascist stuff that you list and that I hadn't been aware of
But not so filled with joy that I've no room left to admire your ability to throw out a fast hardball smear. In that you're a true pro - totally lacking in content outside the smear, as all pure smears are, and putting the worst possible face forward for Israel, as pure negativity would, but you're most certainly a pro in throwing out smears. Well, OK, you're part of a multi-person tag-team so the technique doesn't depend entirely on you, but you do deserve credit nevertheless.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Many giant profitable U.S. corporations are increasingly abandoning America while draining it
General Electric, for example, has paid no federal income taxes for a decade while becoming a net job exporter and fighting its hard-pressed workers who want collective bargaining through unions like the United Electrical Workers Union (UE). GE’s boss, Jeffrey Immelt, makes about $12,400 an hour on an 8-hour day, plus benefits and perks, presiding over this global corporate empire.
Other than profiteering from selling Washington very expensive weapons of mass destruction, many multinational firms have little sense of true national security.Did you know that about 80 percent of the ingredients in medicines Americans take now come from China and India where visits by FDA inspectors are infrequent and inadequate?
The lucrative U.S. drug industry – coddled with tax credits, free transfer of almost-ready-to-market drugs developed with U.S. taxpayer dollars via the National Institutes of Health – charges Americans the highest prices for drugs in the world and still wants more profits. Drug companies no longer produce many necessary medicines like penicillin in the U.S., preferring to pay slave wages abroad to import drugs back into the U.S.
Giant U.S. companies are strip-mining America in numerous ways, starting with the corporate tax base. By shifting more of their profits abroad to “tax-haven” countries (like the Cayman Islands) through transfer pricing and other gimmicks, and by lobbying many other tax escapes through Congress, they can report record profits in the U.S. with diminishing tax payments. Yet they are benefitting from the public services, special privileges, and protection by our armed forces because they are U.S. corporations...
Recently, I wrote to the CEOs of the 20 largest U.S. corporations, asking if they would stand up at their annual shareholders’ meetings and on behalf of their U.S. chartered corporation (not on behalf of their boards of directors), and pledge allegiance to the flag ending with those glorious words “with liberty and justice for all.” Nineteen of the CEOs have not yet replied. One, Chevron, declined the pledge request but said their patriotism was demonstrated creating jobs and sparking economic activity in the U.S.
But when corporate lobbyists try to destroy our right of trial by jury for wrongful injuries – misnamed tort reform – when they destroy our freedom of contract – through all that brazenly one-sided fine print – when they corrupt our constitutional elections with money and unaccountable power, when they commercialize our education and patent our genes, and outsource jobs to other countries, the question of arrogantly rejected patriotism better be front-and-center for discussion by the American people.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/29/how-big-corporations-are-unpatriotic/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022597071
with 161 recs too and oh what was it you were saying about MIFTAH hmmmm seems the same would apply here on DU too?
shira
(30,109 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Jews are also indigenous inhabitants of historic Palestine -- until 1967, the term "Palestinian" referred to Jews as well as Muslims, Xtians, B'hai and what not.
I realise that the BDSM crowd are desperately in want of a Joan D'arc they can make a symbol of Israeli aggression but I'm not sure you want to compare and contrast the death of a teenage girl who was killed, not because of her involvement in a dangerous activity, bust just because of the the ethnicity of her parents and a upper-middle class college student who CHOSE to be in a declared war-zone playing freeze-tag with a 50-ton bulldozer with blocked windows.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)From the OP: She( Anne) nevertheless remains a beacon of hope and perseverance to victims everywhere who have suffered persecution. Although some have tried to claim that Anne’s life and death were uniquely Jewish experiences, fully comprehensible only to other Jews...
What is BDSM?
on edit for correction.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... use a disparaging remark. That's a good prescription.
Not sure how efficacious it is clinically, but there is always the Placebo Effect.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Keep in mind, your entrance to that thread was to begin it with a disparaging remark.
Don't expect them to be ignored in other threads.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the 3 people hijacking the thread with IMO inane conversation aren't including him
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....who also endorsed Gilad Atzmon's latest vile book.
Baroud, Berlin, and Atzmon all have close connections to the ISM, just like Rachel Corrie did.
polly7
(20,582 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Who were actually tragically killed by murderous terrorists .
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)They were all tragically killed by terrorists. Some just get away with the terror while others don't.
shira
(30,109 posts)Are you a 911 troofer too?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)from Rachel Corrie, Shira.
Did you have another straw man you want to prop up for DU?
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)has nothing to do with what happened to Rachel Corrie. It was a strawman argument by you that goes nowhere.
And yes, I do believe that they covered up what happened: just like deaths in prison of healthy Palestinians.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira (17,482 posts)
53. The neo-fascist ISM, its affiliates, & its supporters are vile scumbags. n/t
Referring to the International Solidarity Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Solidarity_Movement
King_David
(14,851 posts)Such as the murderers and scum who bombed Mikes Place on the Tayelet ,
Tel Aviv..
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)she does too, she's alo a Holocaust survivor wish to condemn her too?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are people living in Israeli settlements who are Holocaust survivors.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to condem a couple of known antisemites and someone who's been portrayed as a spoiled little collage girl or a Holocaust survivor?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)your comment assured me that the momentary disruption in the regular way of things for me has been righted 
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)maybe maybe not
Israeli
(4,157 posts)I thought you might be interested in reading this :
UK play about Rachel Corrie now in Hebrew
Teatronto Festival will include production of 'My Name is Rachel,' based on life and death of Corrie, human rights activist run over by IDF bulldozer. 'Stop and think what the hell is going on here,' says Israeli director
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4361692,00.html
polly7
(20,582 posts)(Every post I've and so many others have made since her death has gathered this sort of attempt to derail, shift the blame, insult her as a human being, etc. etc. so it wasn't unexpected here ...... I'm just so glad that so many more people seem to know what a brave, amazing person and activist she was).
Israeli
(4,157 posts)I'm a member of Gush Shalom , you would not believe the amount of abuse we receive every time we hit the streets .
Peace is a dirty word to some , my advice would be to ignore them .
