Americans’ sympathy for Israel at 22-year high

[Mosby]

NEW YORK – Americans’ sympathy for Israel is at a 22-year high, according to Gallup figures released on Friday, just five days ahead of Barack Obama’s first visit to Israel as president.

In figures gleaned from the polling organization’s early February World Affairs poll, 64 percent of Americans say their sympathies “in the Middle East situation” – Gallup’s term for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and peace talks – lie more with the Israelis than with the Palestinians. Just 12% favor the Palestinians.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/americans-sympathy-for-israel-at-22-year-high/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. Gallup gets things wrong some times. Jus sayin.

Context below.


Romney 49%, Obama 48% in Gallup's Final Election Survey
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158519/romney-obama-gallup-final-election-survey.aspx


Gallup's 2012 election polling debacle: what went wrong?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/gallup-2012-election-polling-debacle


Gallup vs. the World
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/gallup-vs-the-world/


Gallup, Rasmussen Forecast More Republican Voters In 2012 Than 2004
http://www.mediaite.com/online/gallup-rasmussen-forecast-more-republican-voters-in-2012-than-2004/


Gallup Sucks, has been Sucking for a Long Time, and will Probably Keep Sucking
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/11/1160272/-Gallup-Sucks-has-been-Sucking-for-a-Long-Time-and-will-Probably-Keep-Sucking

[King_David]

16. It hurts ,

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Yes it does hurt when Gallup gets it wrong, over and over and over...

[leveymg]

2. Proof that Gallup just gets things wronger and wronger over time, and doesn't much care about that.

Gallup has less than zero credibility.

[Lionessa]

3. No one I know or have spoken to including numerous jews.

Israeli policies are a plague on the planet right now.

[oberliner]

5. "Israeli policies are a plague on the planet right now."

Wow - that is quite a statement.

[Lionessa]

9. I know, and it's so true. If only the dolts running Israel would realize it.

I guess they probably do, but for some reason seem to delight in the negative effects they are having on so much across the globe with their policies in the ME.

[aranthus]

7. How many people do you know who aren't on the Left? n/t

[Lionessa]

8. Most of the people I know just now are pretty much righties actually, it's very difficult

being in a conversations with them about just about anything, except Israel.

[oberliner]

12. You disagree with them about everything else but Israel?

Doesn't that concern you a bit?

Does it not stand to reason that they are wrong about Israel like they are wrong about everything else?

[Lionessa]

13. No, not in the least. Though I don't "know" them, clearly lots of lefties on this site agree that

Israeli policy is a plague in the globe right now. I don't see this issue being a right or left, not even jewish or non-jewish as every jew I know makes a point of letting others know they are pro-Palestinian jews.
Sorry but Gallup has it wrong. Anti-semetism is hugely on the rise according to many articles and it's primarily because of Israeli policy being generalized to all jews, which as I have learned is entirely wrong, but understandable why it is occuring. Furthermore much of the hatred against USA is based on our devotion to whatever attrocities and bullshit Israel does as well as the huge amounts of arms and aid sent that returns to the US through AIPAC and into the corrupt pockets of our Legislators and Executives.

[King_David]

19. "Anti-semetism is hugely on the rise according to many articles and it's primarily because of Israel

Why is it understandable ?..if "as every jew I know makes a point of letting others know they are pro-Palestinian jews. ".. And I'm sure you know a lot of Jews (capital 'J'
'please)

That makes no sense .

[Lionessa]

20. Yes it does, because I don't know every jew.

Additionally, not all folks are as pushy as I to flat out ask jews they know what their feelings about Israel policy are. Most folks I think, just assume that all jews are pro-Israeli. Furhtermore, perhaps most jews are pro-Israeli and I'm just lucky to have met jews who are realists and rational about what Israeli policies are.

[King_David]

23. "Jews" are spelt with a CAPITAL "J". nt

[Lionessa]

26. Not when I type it.

[King_David]

28. Yep that's clear. nt

[azurnoir]

30. why do you not capitalize the J in Jews?

that could be taken as at worst antisemitic at best a lack of respect

[Lionessa]

31. Militant atheist. I also don't capitalize

christian, xian, muslim, or others. I have NO respect for believing in skydaddies.

[azurnoir]

32. lso an ethnic group do you not capitalize those either?

[Lionessa]

33. It is a religious representation.

I can assure you that Madonna is not jewish by ethnicity for example, and yet at some point (though I don't know if she still claims it) studied as to become jewish. Additionally not all that you might consider ethnic jews (I consider Semites, same as Arabs and I believe Caucasians) were born to those ethnically related to the Middle East. Just as not all muslims are Arabs/Semites/Caucasian.

[azurnoir]

34. In the case of Jews it is both a religious and an ethnic designation

which is the reason for my comment

[Lionessa]

35. Not in reality it isn't. There is no separate ethnicity call jews.

Those in that religion like to claim there is, but in fact there isn't, just look at the census options. We recognize Latin decent as an ethnicity (which is also not really an ethnicity) but I don't recall seeing options for Arabs, Semites, or jews, because they are Caucasian. I refuse to blindly follow the idiocy of the idea that jew is an ethnicity any more than say being xian is an ethnicity, or catholic/baptist/unitarian/etc is an ethnicity, or muslim is an ethnicity because none of those would be accurate.

Seems jews WANT to be a separate ethnicity, but they aren't, the have made a religious choice regardless of their actual ethnicity. For what you say to be true, there'd be no jews that were blond/blue eyed, or negroid, or.... and of course there are jews of all colors. Hence a religious choice, whether you like or not.

[azurnoir]

36. I'm sorry but you are wrong on that

and if nothing else in history proves that the Holocaust did, many of the Jews that were murdered had not practiced Judaism in their lifetimes, they were secular, a few had converted to Christianity, and the Nazi's when taking over countries asked a question of those trying to get ID cards needed for just about anything were either of your parents or any of your Grandparents Jewish if you answered yes or any of the things I outlined applied you were shipped off to the camps, regardless of whether or not you had ever practiced Judaism as a religion

[Lionessa]

37. Oh my gosh, you're giving credit to the insanity of Nazis??? Shame on you!

Sorry but I pretty much immediately discount any type of categorizing technique that a Nazi might use to decide who to kill. You admit/recognize however that in USA census and all modern non-Nazi ethnic categorizing does NOT include jews. Good, then we agree on that, and I'm stunned and shocked that you would use Nazi's to justify anything jewish.

[azurnoir]

38. No I am not I am telling you like it is

whether or not you like it, in fact Israel's Right to Return laws also make allowances for that, however belatedly as that part did was written in until 1970, but IMO the victims of the Holocaust who were either partially Jewish or secular or converts gave that legitimacy with their lives, as they died for being Jewish

[Lionessa]

39. Hey you used Nazis to justify your incorrect opinion. Can't take that back.

And they didn't die for being jewish, they died because Nazis were nuts and only wanted blond blue-eyed citizens, which btw there are plenty of jews these days that are blond and blue eyed, no? Blacks, too, iirc. So there goes once again your bs idea.

[azurnoir]

40. show me where what I said is a mere opinion it is fact

look up Israel's Right of Return laws do you think the Israeli government is imagining things too or legitimizing the Nazi's?

eta do you think the Nazi's spared Jews that were blondes? and oh I am quite there are blued blonde Jews

[Lionessa]

41. And in now way does the Israeli gov't have any credibility in this matter as they are

a large part of the attempt to pretend jewish is an ethnicity. And just as you did, it appears the Israeli gov't has embraced the categorizations by Nazis to try to create an ethnicity out of a religion. As I said before, SHAMEFUL.

[azurnoir]

43. so now the Israeli government is embracing Nazism?

[Lionessa]

46. According to your post, they did.

[azurnoir]

48. DNA links prove Jews are a ‘race,' says genetics expert

In his new book, “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, claims that Jews are different, and the differences are not just skin deep. Jews exhibit, he writes, a distinctive genetic signature. Considering that the Nazis tried to exterminate Jews based on their supposed racial distinctiveness, such a conclusion might be a cause for concern. But Ostrer sees it as central to Jewish identity.

“Who is a Jew?” has been a poignant question for Jews throughout our history. It evokes a complex tapestry of Jewish identity made up of different strains of religious beliefs, cultural practices and blood ties to ancient Palestine and modern Israel. But the question, with its echoes of genetic determinism, also has a dark side.

Geneticists have long been aware that certain diseases, from breast cancer to Tay-Sachs, disproportionately affect Jews. Ostrer, who is also director of genetic and genomic testing at Montefiore Medical Center, goes further, maintaining that Jews are a homogeneous group with all the scientific trappings of what we used to call a “race.”

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664

add to that list of diseases a thankfully rare but incredibly nasty one called Fanconi Anemia

also because I've been reading the entire thread here is a reply for your comment about the 2010 census

Although used in the Census and the American Community Survey, "Some other race" is not an official race,[16] and the Bureau considered eliminating it prior to the 2000 Census.[19] As the 2010 census form did not contain the question titled "Ancestry" found in prior censuses, there were campaigns to get non-Hispanic West Indian Americans,[20] Turkish Americans,[21] Arab Americans and Iranian Americans to indicate their ethnic or national background through the race question, specifically the "Some other race" category.[22][23]

Jews would also be included in that

This page was last modified on 14 March 2013 at 01:52.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census

[Lionessa]

49. Sorry, no. It's a religion, not an ethnicity.

One geneticist out of the thousands world wide???? Not at all convincing. Every single link shown on the first two pages of google with "genetic link jew" has this ONE and only ONE scientist mentioned. 'nuff said.

And with that I bid you a good day.

[azurnoir]

50. I started outb here giving you a polite suggestion lest you be misinterpreted

but as I see now, there is no misinterpretation

[Lionessa]

51. Nope no misinterpretation. It is in modern day a religion, and nothing else.

The diversity within jews is way too diverse, and if you actually read the reviews of Ostrer's findings as I just have, you'd see that he left out all kinds of jews he must've thought would cloud the pre-determined outcome of his opinion about jewishness.

[azurnoir]

52. I agree with this much you have most certainly not been misinterpreted by other posters here

it I was I who misinterpreted at least in the beginning of this conversation

[Lionessa]

53. Excellent! I do prefer to be interpreted correctly.

BTW I notice that as of last look, this OP still has exactly 0 recs. I find that to be a very encouraging sign regarding the opinions and feelings about Israel at DU.

[King_David]

42. You seem to feel strongly that us Jews are not an ethnicity

Which means you know fuck all about Jews..

The real question is why you feel so strongly about it .

This also explains your views on Zionism and Israel .

These Jews you "know" that are of the same mindset as you, are they religios Jews or secular Jews because according to your "logic " there's no such thing .

[Lionessa]

45. I feel strongly because I get fed up with inaccuracies surrounding religions.

Please provide for me a recent census that provides for "jewish" as an ethnicity, and I'll consider it. Otherwise you're just wrong. the religious choice of judaism is NOT an ethnicity.

http://www.census.gov/schools/pdf/2010form_info.pdf

In case the type is too small for you, here are the choices.

What is Person 1’s race?
Mark
one or more boxes.

White
Black, African Am., or Negro
American Indian or Alaska Native —
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Other Asian —
Print race, for
example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai,
Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.

Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Pacific Islander —
Print
race, for example, Fijian

[King_David]

60. Sorry can't interact in a ridiculous

and bigoted conversation .

[Mosby]

64. Judaism is an ethno religious group

like the Druze, Copts and Alawites.

[Lionessa]

65. In ancient times, sure, but not anymore, now it's a religion, not an ethnicity.

Probably back in the day British christians were an ethnicity in the same way Ostrer describes why he thinks jews might be a race, due primarily to lack of geographic mobility, inter-continental breeding, and immigration, but no one would call current Britains an ethnicity, not the Irish, not the Scot, and not the English, though I would imagine their genetics similarities were as close as this Ostrer's findings were for the jews he researched, remembering he only researched ancient types of jews and excluded many of the current jewish populations on the globe. So of course his findings would result in the appearance of a genetic strain, if you will, similar as he mentions to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and up to 6th generation cousins type of similarity. Indicating a closed society, not a race.

[cali]

21. Israeli policies are so less consequential than, say, U.S. policies

or Chinese policies or Indian policies.

And calling Israeli policies a "plague on the planet" is passing strange.

As for anti-semitism being because of Israel, history belies that claim. It may be a small piece of it, or more likely an excuse- just as asswipe haters make excuses for hating Muslims or blacks or gays. And it's not like that would even remotely be a valid excuse or understandable- as you claim.

As for your claim that hatred of the U.S. is due in large part because of Israel, that's ignorance or denial or something. Fuck, look at what the U.S. is doing in Muslim countries: Drone strikes, wars, befriending oil rich dictators, and so much more.

[Lionessa]

22. So you have missed all the reports stating that much of the hatred in the

Middle East of America is because of US policy regarding Israel??? Hmm. Can't have a conversation about it with someone who isn't up to date on facts.

[cali]

24. lol, sweetums.

I'm informed on this subject and you know that. lame try.

What about all the reports that cite hatred of the U.S. is because of U.S. policies in the Muslim world, hmm?

It's not either/or.

and sorry, I stand by exactly what I said in the post you responded to. Oh, yeah. Your plague comments are more than a little strange, dear.

[Lionessa]

27. I agree it is both, never said it wasn't.

Our policies in the ME include our policies with Israel, no? Our policy of supporting Israel as it demeans and debases and allows apartheid against Palestinians, yes? I also agree it has much to do with supporting other tyrants in ME countries that were "encouraged" by US to acquiesce to "peace" with Israel and such.

Bless your heart, deary.

[King_David]

17. Some of my best friends are Jewish nt

[Lionessa]

18. Are they? And what does that have to do with anything?

If you're implying I've said that, you are wrong. I said I knew them, not that they were best friends or such sleight of words. Nice try though.

[King_David]

44. Strange that you don't get the meaning of my post,

especially since anyone reading this thread would presume your an expert on Jews .
( secular,ethnic,religious and orange )

[Lionessa]

47. I got it, you were trying to paint my posts with a strawman.

[Purveyor]

4. "Republicans, conservatives, older Americans most likely to voice sympathy for Israel".

Republicans Remain Most Staunch in Support for Israel

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Consistent with prior years, Republicans are substantially more likely than Democrats to favor the Israelis, 78% vs. 55%, with the preferences of independents -- currently 63% -- more closely matching those of Democrats.

Support for Israel has increased among all three party groups since 2001, but particularly among Republicans and independents. The percentage sympathizing more with the Israelis has increased by 18 percentage points among Republicans (from 60% to 78%) and by 21 points among independents (from 42% to 63%). By comparison, Democrats' support has increased four points (from 51% to 55%).

Republicans' sympathy with Israel spiked to 77% in February 2003, likely associated with the run-up to the Iraq war, when Israel supported U.S. aspirations to remove Saddam Hussein from power. It sank sharply in a subsequent poll in May, but then returned to the high 60s in 2004.

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More...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/161387/americans-sympathies-israel-match-time-high.aspx

[azurnoir]

15. yep I read that yesterday :) it seems the older, Republican, and less educated

are the the most sympathetic to Israel

[Scootaloo]

6. Delightfully flannel-y

"Sympathy," like "support" is an awfully vague term that is more or less meaningless when applied at a national level.

My conclusions, based on this and a "parent poll" of how favorably Americans perceive other nations (http://www.gallup.com/poll/152735/Americans-Give-Record-High-Ratings-Several-Allies.aspx) is that Americans like white people and hate whoever the TV tells them needs to die.

[Mosby]

10. Kurt Cobain loved flannel

Just sayin'.

Just looked at your link, the 75% favorability rate for India kinda blows your "racist American" bullshit argument away.

[Scootaloo]

11. He also loved Courtney Love. n/t

[azurnoir]

14. lol ya she is/was ah 'something'

ever heard what IMO almost had to be Primus's ode to her?

[azurnoir]

29. The United States is the most hated country in the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022522896

[Lionessa]

54. "...followed closely by Israel, and then... nobody." Hmmm.

[azurnoir]

55. yep n/t

[Lionessa]

56. Which appears to support my earlier premise that much of the hatred

against the US is based on ME policy, in particular with regards to Israel.

[azurnoir]

57. of course that all depends on the source as shown here

Iran, Pakistan, Israel most negatively rated countries: BBC poll

http://tribune.com.pk/story/380329/iran-pakistan-israel-most-negatively-rated-countries-globally-bbc-poll/

[Lionessa]

58. OIC, you don't like ALL of the one article so you bring in others.

And note that yet again Israel is near the top of the list evenso. Gee I wonder why? And one has to remember that MSM consistently coddles Israel while demonizing the other two, regardless of the truths about all three.... hmmm....

[azurnoir]

59. Lol no I posted both remember? The point in case you missed it

is in these kind of opinion polls the outcome depends on who's doing the asking

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

62. And how the question is asked.

[Mosby]

63. The ICH article does not include a source for the claim

We are just supposed to take Fred's word for it that some organization conducted a poll using people from all over the world.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

61. + a brazillion