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Related: About this forumHaaretz “Fixes” Misleading Story About Ethiopian Women
The original report accused government officials of injecting Ethiopian women with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera in order to decrease their birth rates.....
However Haaretz issued a correction on Wednesday:
...Only after the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East reporting in America (CAMERA) spotted the misinformation repeated in another article published in Haaretz last week did the Israeli newspaper fix the article. Remarkably, the Hebrew version of the same article did include the updated information. However Haaretz failed to change it in the language most likely read by its international readers.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/07/haaretz-fixes-misleading-story-about-ethiopian-women/
Well, now that that's fixed, onto the next libel. And on it goes...
shira
(30,109 posts)The Washington Post, The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Huffington Post, MSN, Yahoo, CBC News, and, of course, the BBC and the Guardian (among others), all accused Israel of firing a missile, during the November Gaza war, at a house east of Gaza City which killed the 11 month old son of BBC Arabic journalist Jihad Misharawi and his sister-in-law. (Misharawis brother also later died of wounds suffered in the blast.)
...On March 6th 2013 the UNHRC issued an advance version of its report on the November war and Elder of Ziyon thoroughly read the whole thing. The report states on page 14 that a UN investigation found that:
A Palestinian rocket killed baby Omar, Hiba (the sister-in-law of Jihad) and Ahmed (Jihads brother who later succumbed to his wounds).
Whether or not the BBC, Guardian and others will revise their stories to note that Gaza terrorists (and not the IDF) were responsible for the death of Omar, Hiba and Ahmed Misharawi, Sela made the following point:
Sela, in her Nov. 25 post, argued that, The tragic story of Omar Misharawi [was] used and abused to advance a very specific narrative of Israel as a killer of children.
In short, when it comes to the activist medias mad rush to judgement on every alleged Israeli sin, regardless of whether new facts contradicting the original conclusions are eventually revealed, nothing will be learned.
Lethal Narratives concerning the Jewish states villainy will continue unabated.
Nothing will change.
http://cifwatch.com/2013/03/08/the-guardian-and-bbc-got-the-death-of-omar-misharawi-wrong-but-nothing-will-change/
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It does not change the fact that Israel administered this contraceptive coercively. Only that the order to not renew prescriptions (ordered after the story broke) did not specify Ethiopian women.
Ypu're really counting on the word "correction" being taken to mean "Oh Em Gee, it's all fake!" - well, it's not.
Nor is the fact you 100% supported the coercive administration of birth control to women on the basis of their race. Even if this correction did what you hoped it does (again, it does not), that still leaves you covered in your own filth.
King_David
(14,851 posts)This pattern is with everyone you disagree with ... I noticed .
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Haaretz corrected a detail about the order to not fill prescriptions for the contraceptive if there were any doubt that the recipients did not understand the implications of the drug.
The original (english) version in haaretz states that the no-renewal order was applied to Ethiopian women's prescriptions. The correction (and the Hebrew version) state that the no-refill order counts all women and not just Ethiopian women.
Where the reading comprehension fail is, however, is where algemeiner (and its devoted idolator Shira) try to portray this detail correction as invalidating the entire story. It plainly does not do so. This is not a "scoop," it does not transform the story into 'libel' as Shira claims. The contraceptive was still administered, coercion was still utilized in at least some instances, and the particular drug was largely foisted towards particular groups, prominently including Ethiopian women.
And yes, Shira still rallied to the defense of that on the basis that non-Jews having kids in Israel is a terrible thing and spells doom for the Jewish state. As did you, if I recall correctly. Even if the whole story were invalidated, that support, that eugenic bullshit still remains.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Which non Jews are you talking about ?
Not sure you are getting what's going on in Israel and yet your a "prolific " poster here.
Please tell us which "non-Jews" you are talking about.
shira
(30,109 posts).....and they don't know the Ethiopians are Jews. Amazing ignorance.
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)I never said any such thing.
Are you guys capable of ever portraying a situation honestly? I'm being serious.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)since standing up for BSers doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
The article correction changes nothing of with regard to the facts.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Are non Jews.
Not everyone posting here is knowledgeable on IP
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)But this is interesting.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Yes there are so many Ethiopian non Jews living in Israel .
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The ignorance is staggering.
King_David
(14,851 posts)basic knowledge of Israel and Jews were present with the "authority" some people post in here with.
Clueless
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)To the contrary my aim is to expose the fools.
Please proceed, Shira.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Re read this thread then.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Lulz indeed..
Know anything about Israel or Jews ?
Let me help you : these women are Jewish .
Wow !!!!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Eritrea and Ethiopia were one country but Israel cares for its Eritreans just like this one whom Israel has decided to keep imprisoned so that he doesn't harm himself further, or others are not inspired by his example and harm themselves
http://972mag.com/court-eritrean-torture-victim-must-remain-in-jail/66703/
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)From the Beta Israel population in Ethiopia. Israel has allowed them immigration under Aliyah since 2003, provided their mothers were Jewish and they convert to Orthodox Judaism. Sort of the same situation as all those Russian immigrants that has Grand Ayatollah Yishai hot under his collar, I suppose.
I had read an article that proclaimed these immigrants are not Jewish. That's what I was operating off of. You're correct that I hadn't known the fine details there, and thanks for pointing it out and thus spurring me to double-check.
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shira
(30,109 posts)Hard to let go of the lies against Israel, isn't it? They're just too juicy...
1. This story is yet another example of Team Palestine lying, fabricating, exaggerating, demonizing, and defaming Israel.
2. The doctor didn't confirm the allegations made. That's what the whole f-cking story was about! There are NON-Ethiopian women involved as well, showing this isn't about race. Seriously, this is yet another dumbass allegation Israel hating zealots just eat up. Why would Israel airlift so many Ethiopians if they wanted to control the population? Fucking moronic! It also assumes the women were too dumb and renewed their shots (being coerced) every 3 months of their own volition.
3. Your accusation against me is nothing less than a lie. I never believed the bullshit charges in the 1st place, given that every outrageous charge against Israel turns out to be a lie, exaggeration, half-truth, etc.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)1) Yes, all those women who made the allegations are plants, puppets of a global Palestinian conspiracy powered by the muslim bankers and the Arab lobby in accordance with the Protocols of the Elders of Ramallah. Drat, you're on to us.
2) So you're calling every single woman making the claim a liar. Interesting how everything that says something you don't like is automatically a lie (see #1)
3) Whether you believed or not, you defended them on the basis that Ethiopia's birthrate is higher than Israel, with the clear implication that for Israel's sake, the birthrate of Ethiopians had to be checked.
Despite your wishes, a correction is not the same thing as a retraction. In this case, it's not even close.
shira
(30,109 posts)The only reason this story made headlines was because of the lie that Israel admitted wrongdoing, which it did not. A few accusations does not prove a wide conspiracy. Logic suggests the conspiracy theory is ridiculous. But haters love juicy conspiracies implicating the jews. Mass produced hate speech.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Where dozens of women, mostly Ethiopian Jewish women, are just making shit up for no reason other than to (apparently) make Jews look bad.
So why do you feel they are lying, Shira? is it because they're black, or because they're women? Or is it because they're Jews?
The libel is true , Rachel Mangoli did not expect all this world wide fuss when she initially reported her worries .
Perhaps you need to read up on the subject , hope these links help :
http://www.isha.org.il/upload/File/%D7%93%D7%A4%D7%95%20%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA.pdf
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/167445/shocking-decline-in-ethiopian-israeli-birthrate/#ixzz2JUYshI3C
http://www.acri.org.il/en/2013/01/29/ethiopian-contraceptive-prescriptions/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)It may stay that way, but thanks for the links.
shira
(30,109 posts).....that Israel was trying to strerilize Ethiopians in a racist attempt to control their population from growing.
Originaly reported back in 2008 by an article published in 2008 in the newspaper Yedioth
Ahronoth.
Please now read this which is not by any reporter or by any newspaper :
http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Gamzu-letter.pdf
As a consequence of the above letter, Professor Gamzu sent a letter to the directors of all Israeli HMOs on January 20 stating:
Without taking a position or establishing any facts regarding the allegations raised in this matter, I have instructed that in the future all gynecologists working for or with the health maintenance organizations are not to renew any Depo-Provera prescriptions for women originating from Ethiopia or for any other women for whom there is a concern that they do not fully understand the implications of the treatment.
Only following a conversation in which the doctor will determine why the patient is using contraceptive products, why she is using this product in particular, whether she is attempting to prevent pregnancy voluntarily and whether she understands the side effects of the product as opposed to other contraceptive means should a prescription be renewed.
The organizations in whose name the letter was sent to Professor Gamzu were:
The Association for Civil Rights in Israel, Isha LIsha, Tebekka, The Israel Association for Ethiopian Jews, Physicians for Human Rights and the Tmura Center.
Source: http://www.acri.org.il/en/2013/01/29/ethiopian-contraceptive-prescriptions/
Now what are you more concerned about ?
False reporting by Haaretz or the fact that these women are/or were having their basic human rights abused and denied to them ?
shira
(30,109 posts)I ask b/c I assume you're anti-racist & against all forms of bigotry.
It isn't just one article either.
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And yes, of course what happened WRT the Ethiopian women is cause for concern. It's good it's finally being acknowledged and dealt with.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)... I dont " understand all this false reporting is mass produced hate speech? "
I do understand that denying the facts and hiding the truth helps nobody least of all those that the initial investigation was set up to help.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...made by haaretz was based on a deliberate distortion. Had they quoted the official properly, ther wouldn't be a story. Read the entire original article from algemeiner or elder of ziyon.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Did Harretz make a retraction on the story or just change the wording of the title?