CODEPINK Calls for Destruction of Israel at AIPAC Policy Conference Protests (VIDEO)

[shira]

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/04/codepink-calls-for-destruction-of-israel-at-aipac-policy-conference-protests/

A negligible number of protestors descended upon the Washington D.C. Convention Center Sunday as the America Israel Public Affairs Committee opened its three day policy conference. A main protest at the front entrance to the facility, hosted by CODEPINK, claimed to be in response to Israel’s policies towards Palestinians and AIPAC’s collusion in implementing said policies.

In an interview with the Jerusalem Post Alli McCracker, the National Director for CODEPINK, was described as someone who “says her organization isn’t anti-Israel but rather generally anti-war – and that freedom for all Palestinians and Israelis is its ultimate goal.” The Jerusalem Post quotes her as saying, “I want to see Israeli policies that don’t actively harm Israel…And we think AIPAC is the primary organization that is promoting these awful policies.”

Yet in a video posted of CODEPINK, a woman with a loudspeaker leads a chorus of chants: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a chant that in its very essence would infer the destruction of Israel in its entirety. (One of the speakers at the rally was identified as Jodie Evans, who is described on CODEPINK’s website as the co-founder and co-director of the organization. Note: Algemeiner was unable to independently verify whether or not it was Evans who led this particular chant.)

Here’s the video of the protest organized by CODEPINK in which participants shout for the destruction of Israel ( at 14.00):

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[Cooley Hurd]

1. most misleading headline ever...

[shira]

9. Anyone familiar with the chant "river to sea" knows what it means. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. I'm glad that you have found another group to demonize, Shira. Good job!

[aranthus]

45. It isn't demonizing to tell the truth about them, is it? n/t

[azurnoir]

46. well that's a pretty big not to mention extrapolated if

first off one must prove that Israel's destruction is CODEPINK's purpose and intent here

not to mention that their supposed chant couldn't be something as simple as sea and free rhyme, most of these types of chants do rhyme ya know

[aranthus]

47. Come off it.

This particular chant is too well known to be innocent. From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free? It's been around for years. It means the liberation of Palestine from the Jews, and always has. If the chanters want to claim that they didn't know what it meant, then they might as well admit that they don't know anything about what they are protesting. I'm not prepared to believe that Code Pink are a group of morons. There is no excuse for not knowing what this means, and there's no excuse to defend it. You might as well argue that the PLO never called for Israel's destruction.

[azurnoir]

48. I just did and you along with the Right Wing algeminer are of course

free to your own interpretations but again it's simply a rhyming chant, unless you can definitively prove otherwise

[aranthus]

49. The many years of its use prove otherwise.

I'm surprised at the efforts to defend these people. This one isn't even close. Either these people are unacceptably, irresponsibly ignorant fools, or they belive what they are saying.

[azurnoir]

50. or they're chanting a rhyme

but if you wish to continue this I'm good with keeping a thread demonizing a group that made it's name protesting the Iraq war kicked

[aranthus]

51. No. We're done.

If you seriously think that they were just chanting a rhyme, then you've lost all credibility. And if you're just saying it, then you've lost all credibility. Code Pink's website makes very clear where the organization stands. They meant what they were saying.

[azurnoir]

52. oh so pointing out that they're chanting a rhyme rather than plotting the destruction of Israel

means I lose all credibility

eta a wise man once told me "never assume malice when stupidity will suffice" and I think this is indeed the case here
they were IMO stupid to use this rhyme because of exactly how it is being latched onto as exemplified by this thread

[leftynyc]

83. I agree with you

Pretending this chant doesn't have a history is to ignore reality and just an attempt to whitewash this group's behavior. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Buzz Clik]

12. +1

I am not a fan of CODEPINK, but that headline is pure ca-ca.

[Mojorabbit]

77. I agree 100 percent

[zazen]

2. this interpretation isn't warranted by CodePink's comment

Perhaps it means that Palestinians will be free to move around and work without fear of violence. This doesn't imply the violent destruction of all Israelis and/or their displacement into another land or their imprisonment.

[oberliner]

3. "Perhaps it means that Palestinians will be free to move around and work without fear of violence"

Wow - you really think this?

You don't think it means that Palestine will be liberated from its Zionist occupiers?

[shira]

10. It's another mistranslation. n/t

[aranthus]

61. It's pretty stunning how some people are reaching to put a good face on this.

Even people who I thought were better than that.

[leftynyc]

84. That was your first mistake

This subject tends to bring out the ugly for everyone to see.

[azurnoir]

85. yes I agree with you on that :)

[Democracyinkind]

4. Lol. Very cheap - "destruction"

As always in these posts, the concern to portray people protesting Israel's policy as Krypto- Nazis trumps the concern for accurately portraying events as they happened.

The only thing "destructed" here is the mindset behind this disgusting headline (OP, not article).

[shira]

7. Hamas always claims Palestine from the River to the Sea. n/t

[Democracyinkind]

13. Ok. I will from now one no longer distuingish between/orgs using the same language.

Codepink = Hamas. Got that.

This would make...

Shira = XXX


(I can't fill out the XXX without violating TOS)

Have a nice day and as always, good luck with what you're peddling today.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

26. Its always the same thing. Everybody is out to get XXX. Everybody is an XXX.

Any criticism of Israel is XXX and they will be demonized by XXX.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. If you stare at it and let your eyes go out of focus you can see Jesus.

[Israeli]

6. CODEPINK ~ ??

now I'm seriously worried

[shira]

8. Are you anti-zionist? n/t

[Israeli]

14. no shira

I'm an Israeli
I'm not anti-zionist
I'm also not a zionist
I'm a post-zionist

CODEPINK has me shakin in my shoes

How about you ?

[oberliner]

15. Post-Zionism doesn't exist

In recent years a phenomenon called "post-Zionism" has developed in the political-intellectual discourse in Israel. Fundamentally, this is a radical criticism not just of Israel's policy; at its base is total denial of the Zionist project and of the very legitimacy of the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish nation-state.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/post-zionism-doesn-t-exist-1.224973

[Israeli]

16. sorry to burst your bubble

but Post-Zionism does exist

you can deny us all you like , in the meantime we are here on the front line defending our country..... while you are "somewhere" defending Judaism .

[oberliner]

17. That was the title of the article

Not my personal opinion - I was just sharing the article from Ha'aretz about the term post-Zionism.

[pelsar]

19. what is post zionism?

and with me you cant pull the "i'm on the front line and you aren't".....

so your turn...what is this 'post zionism"

[Israeli]

22. hi pelsar

you the same 'pelsar' as here ?

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?12798-50-Responses-to-criticisms-of-Israel/page10

[pelsar]

23. yep and keep looking...

if you go back about 8 years of so, you find a very rather interesting process of my thinking that has changed over the years, a combination of real events as well as discussions that were going on here pre an post events in israel that has led to those conclusions.

and i remain firmly on the left....

i think i'm the only pelsar on the net (so far) so you can be pretty sure that what you find is mine, i use it consistently

[delrem]

54. pelsar: "and i remain firmly on the left.... "

cough cough

And Bill O is a "liberal" and Hannity is an "independent"

Here's pelsar from the talk-site linked two posts back:
"the problem is that the far left has a great sell...they're selling 'peace", job security, free healthcare, love for all minorities, love for all victims, govts apologizing and giving away money as reparations for all victims. They dont worry about the consequences of their actions (i.e. indian/pakistan exchange of populations/ Khomeni, taking over Iran), they dont even bother answering their own contradictions...."

Yah, they "just want stuff"...
And where does that caricature of the "far left" or "left" or "Obama" come from?
Consider the date: 12-20-2012, which is six weeks after an election when that caricature was the fucking MANTRA of the Romney campaign.

So absolutely, pelsar, a dude who remains "firmly on the left.... "

Nope, I don't have to make this comedy up.

[pelsar]

72. i wrote left...not far left

liberal left, not progressive left..major difference in way of life....and approaching problems and their solutions

and i take no responsibility for those agree with my outlook on life, be it JFK or MLK (to use a few of the more famous ones)

[delrem]

82. hahahaha!

yer own words convict ya, Bill O.

[shira]

86. Ha! Anyone not as far Left as Stalin is Bill O'. n/t

[delrem]

87. anyone who slams DU with "they just want stuff" is Bill O' n/t

[shira]

88. That's the straw man YOU set-up and knocked down. Congrats. n/t

[delrem]

89. No, it's a quote from pelsar, Bill O', Romney, Hannity, Rove,....

It was the the Romney campaign theme, mirrored by pelsar to slam DU.

Romney tried to walk it back - it wasn't supposed to be for the general public, so he tried what you're trying on behalf of pelsar.

But Bill O', Hannity, Rove, etc, doubled down on it. And pelsar repeated it, aimed at DU, on a right wing board.

[Jefferson23]

90. Interesting, thanks. n/t

[pelsar]

96. children calm down.....the key word here is:...

CONSEQUENCES.

That i would say is the crucial difference between my definition of my liberal vs the progressive i have met here and other places. For an example:

the progressive in terms of the middle east is very busy pushing, cheering on for the "revolution/arab spring" and the rising up of the "people". However, once they do that, as in Iran, Egypt, Libya, etc....and the non-democratic elements take over.....its now "hands off" as far as the progressives are concerned. "its none of our business, its for the UN to take care of, i believe are a few of the mantras mentioned.

so what happens to the actual people involved, those who live there?....as in Iran for example? 30+ years of islamic justice that includes hanging homosexuals.....expanded to Gaza with hamas, and Egypt with MB in charge.

and the progressive response?....not ooops, thats no good, not a, hmm, what went wrong..NOOOOO, the response as far as i can get (and its not easy btw) is something to the effect, of, well its just the first step, they will come around, its better to have theocratic dictatorships that are anti west than secular ones that talk to the west. (if i'm wrong, feel free to explain....but i doubt any of you will, you never seem to)


and will these nice progessives plan any trips to these anti democratic places to teach the people about progressive values, risk their own lives, as do the christian missionaries, risk their own skins for change? ....not as far as i know...anybody here know anybody who did such a thing?

_____

in conclusion, when the few of you can talk about consequences for your beliefs, in the real world, with real world examples and consequences, i'll be happy to discuss it, few seem to want to go there, and of course i would love to hear your stories of how you or your friends risked their lives to teach progressive values in societies where the govt were against it, but you went anyway....

as i wrote earlier, i'm not in to identity politics, its just a cheap, childish gimmick/ wimping out, to avoid taking responsibility for ones political opinions and values

[delrem]

98. no, you explained that you're a fr####r t##l, who agrees with Romney and Bill O. n/t

[pelsar]

99. i'm not responsible for those who agree or disagree with me...take it up

with MLK if you have a problem with that..or JFK as we seem to have some similar viewpoints

so are u up for the challenge to discuss the "consequences" as per the arab spring examples? irans revolution and the progressive response? hamas in gaza and the progressive support?...real stuff where real people have to live under such regimes and how they relate to to the I/P conflict....you can even call me any name you want, call me a KKK'er if it makes u feel good.

[delrem]

101. You aren't MLK or JFK. You agree with Mitt and Bill O, and they aren't MLK or JFK either.

[pelsar]

105. no i'm not MLK no JFK....we just agree on certain viewpoints...

for instance: JFKs infamous
my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country
(responsibilities to your society to contribute)

or MLKs speach of character where
where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

(one standard for all)

so from what i understand of your viewpoint. If someone i, or you or the "group" doesnt like and this person(s) agrees with my viewpoint, i should therefore change my views as they are 'tainted" to better fit the "group".

wow, words fail me.....your not much for individual thinking are you?

[delrem]

106. I do know a f#####r t##l when I see one.

[pelsar]

107. "I know one when i see one" you actually wrote that?

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(funny how the scene in exodus with Paul Newman comes to mind, for those who have seen the movie)

but i too recognize the signs, the signs of someone who clings to the their "group identity" so strong that anything that questions it cannot be tolerated, and any question of its validity cannot even be answered....the one who dares to even ask the question, must be "removed"

"I know one when i see one" LOL...that one really got me laughing, you really really wrote that..OMG

____
and btw, did you know i also agree with hamas on certain things? the MB, Hizballa? (or they agree with me)...so as i understand it from your point of view, i'm also a fu**** religious muslim fanatic.....

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

91. Third-way left perhaps?

[delrem]

92. "Romney Democrats"

[Israeli]

24. and with me you cant pull the "i'm on the front line and you aren't".....

wouldnt even try
I'm a grey haired old women

my son might tho pelsar
he is Shaldag keva
born here not in america
served his country more than 5 years already
your icon in uniform is something else
you think yours beats his ??

[pelsar]

29. u miss the point.....

i dont care if your a gray haired lady and i do think its good that your son was in Shaldog (its a commmando unit, for those who are reading this). But whereas my years spent in the army and what i did(do) does not "beat" the driver, the cook or the secretary, nor does any commando "beat" my service. Different jobs fit different people and no one "beats" the other.

I assume you didnt serve, since one of the lessons ones learns is that everyone plays a part and its only when we work together can anything get done. Hence the driver who drives all night to bring the batteries for your sons night vision equipment, is appreciated just as much as his buddy the sharpshooter....

now that we cleared all that up..

would you mind explaining what this post zionism is..i seem to have missed it in my readings

[oberliner]

30. Rabbi Aryeh Cohen: How I Became a 'Post-Zionist'

So, if pushed to peg myself on the spectrum from Zionist to anti-Zionist, as I understand we are supposed to, I would classify myself as a post-Zionist. The Zionist movement succeeded in creating a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel more than 60 years ago. Its current challenge is to become a truly liberal democratic country of all its citizens and work toward peace with a homeland for the Palestinian people in Palestine. It is immoral to deny the Palestinian people a homeland. It is immoral to deny Palestinian citizens of the State of Israel full and equal rights de facto and not only de jure. It is immoral and delusional for the American Jewish community to indulge in conversations about whether or not the Palestinian people exists. The exuberant nationalist Zionism of my youth, of making the desert bloom and conquering the swamps, of building a country in an empty land against all odds is, of necessity, gone -- shoved aside, as it should be, by the reality that is the real thriving State of Israel and the nascent State of Palestine struggling for existence. The challenges of the future are rooted in the reality of the present, the issues of justice, and not the myths of the past.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-aryeh-cohen/post-zionism-liberal-zionists-speak-out_b_1441955.html

Pretty good summary of the concept.

[pelsar]

31. so post zionism is based on Palestinian inferiority....or jewish superiority

in that whole article (i should read more), is based on the premis that israel controls almost all of the events along its borders. It either initiates actions that are bad, or reacts badly, that seems to be the jist.

my conclusion is that according to this post zionist, that the Palestinians are so inferior that they cannot possibly effect events and when they do, its always israel that has to "react" properly, because the Palestinians are simply not responsible for anything that they do, after all they are occupied (mostly) and that seems to affect their brain power to understand consequences for their actions (at least according to the post zionist)

i think thats are pretty good conclusion.

[Israeli]

33. not missing any point

i dont care if your a gray haired lady and i do think its good that your son was in Shaldog (its a commmando unit, for those who are reading this). But whereas my years spent in the army and what i did(do) does not "beat" the driver, the cook or the secretary, nor does any commando "beat" my service. Different jobs fit different people and no one "beats" the other.

Its Shaldag pelsar not Shaldog and its the elite commmando unit of the IAF and he is still in it .

Sounds good your bullshit , very socialistic ... but BS never the less , someone that does their 3 years as a cook will never gain the status of someone who has done more than their alloted time in an elite combat unit .... just ask Bibi or Barak

If you truly believe the above why did you say " and with me you cant pull the "i'm on the front line and you aren't"..... ?

" I assume you didnt serve "

you assume wrong .

" would you mind explaining what this post zionism is..i seem to have missed it in my readings "

I noticed already .

Read some of your old posts ... FYI Uri Avnery is a post zionist ...it was he who created the way to express how many of us feel since Rabin's asassination .

[pelsar]

39. because of what u wrote to oberliner...

do you remember
you can deny us all you like , in the meantime we are here on the front line defending our country..... while you are "somewhere" defending Judaism

simple, your pulling 'rank' by claiming your on the front line and he isnt....so i was just telling you that some us here are also on that front line.

since you did the reading about me, at least some, you should realize that i'm neither socialist nor progressive
Sounds good your bullshit , very socialistic

and Uri...he doesn't impress me, not since the gaza pullout.....

and for your son: כל הכבוד but please dont even go there about "status" i dont know what kind of service you did (air force?) , but where i was/am and those that have served with me , we simply dont look down upon those that help us do our jobs.....we just don't, nor do i know anybody who does (that is older than 21)

[delrem]

55. Dude!!!

It was YOU who introduced the "rank" bullshit:

"what is post zionism?
and with me you cant pull the "i'm on the front line and you aren't".....
so your turn...what is this 'post zionism"

To which the reply was:
"wouldnt even try
I'm a grey haired old women "

You're a fricken WEASEL, pelsar, trying to turn your little screw into some kind of moral point.
sheesh.

[pelsar]

73. english..its my mother tongue

in the meantime we are here on the front line defending our country..... while you are "somewhere" defending Judaism (to oberliner)


and with me you cant pull the "i'm on the front line and you aren't"..... (me responding to her)

there, now you have both relevant quotes together
____

this is not complex, in fact its pretty simple, there are now two people here 'on the front line" who have to deal with real consequences for actions and events.

so next time you want to prove me wrong, may i suggest you write both relevant quotes side by side? it makes the comparison a bit easier. (did you really think I would forget what i was responding it? )

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

66. Way to go, Pelsar. Attack your own. Kick em to the curb.

What's your problem? Can't call Israeli a hater?

[pelsar]

71. i dont believe in identity politics....

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just because someone has a similar identity to mine, doesnt mean that i have to keep my disagreement to myself and defend their point of view...being PC stifles debate and conversation, it does not enhance it.

i may or may not have a lot in common with "israeli" but on this particluar issue we probably disagree, and I decided to write it out.
____

but certainly do understand the "identity politics" of the progressive, the kind of pack/tribal mentality of defending "one of your own" no matter what they say/do. That has become very clear over the years to me here.

I personally don't think much of it, and in fact i could give a long post on why identity politics is a major cause for the breaking down of societies, starting with their intolerance of those that disagree with some of the holy tenants of their politics and actually speak out....as per what your post signifies...but i'll save it for another time. (you'll find it on other posts of mine on other forums...where i believe its more relevant)

a comment on your post:
What's your problem? Can't call Israeli a hater?
disagreement is not hate, though i understand from your posts, that tolerance of the other viewpoints is clearly not something you believe in

[Israeli]

74. Best I can do right now ..

...is give you a definition and a few links to read :

In contrast to political Zionism's goal of the Jewish state, many post-Zionists advocate the evolution of Israel into a non-ideological, secular, liberal democratic state, to be officially neither Jewish nor Arab in character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Zionism

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1282429124/

[pelsar]

75. thats very nice....

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good morning, at least someone here is in my time zone...
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gray haired lady.....(i like the expression...-probably my age), holding hands and singing kumbaya is always nice, and it reminds me of what I once read about those people who are "post nationalists"...that they all carry western passports and would never give them up for a zimbabwa one.

Despite what you'll read here, zionism has always been in motion, modifying itself to fit the new environment with its changing ideology (Begin and Rabin for examples). The "post-zionism" if its being translated as being no longer in need of nationalism, nationalistic symbols, national holidays, national language, nationalistic ceremonies, i commend your ideology.

though i do have a few questions.....for this single state that is so democratic that nobody will dare raise the head of cultural identity that crosses the border to nationalism.

The Palestinians...who is going to re-educate them to drop their identity?...and why would they even agree?

from what i understand, they are not too keen on western values, as per the polls and their own voting

who is going to run this re-education and who's values will they be pushing? and what happens if its doesnt "stick" ....look at the kibbutzim, despite a relativly closed environment...they failed for the most part, whereas the post nationalism of this movement seems to ignore the wider arab nationalism that permates the area. How will this post zionism keep out that ideology that will surly be pushed by our neighbors?

[Israeli]

78. boker tov to you to

I'm 63 pelsar and really grey ..... how old are you ?

Never sang kumbaya in my life and I and all members of my family hold only Israeli passports ...no dual nationality for us .

My " ideology " developed and grew after Rabin's assassination , its total rejection of everything that the religious right wing in this country stand for .

I'm not a one-stater , I still believe in a two state solution , its our settler movement and this gov that is killing all chances for that, not us .

Its not about the Palestinians pelsar , its about the kind of future we want for our state and for our grandchildren .

Strange you should mention kibbutzim , I'm a kibbutznik of the Hashomer Hatzair variety , dont think we failed BTW .

[pelsar]

79. israeli...

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we probably have a lot more in common...i'll give u the short version:
wife is from Kibbutz Maagan Michael (her mother from Detroit)
I'm 55
i am not religious and reject the religious right wing beliefs and have religious family here (hoshiya)
I believe the settlers are our cancer and are screwing us all
in general the kibbutzim have failed economically to hold their own, some have, but those are in the minority and with the privatization of so many aspects of them
son was in Noar Oved, presently serving in Nahal (trying to figure out how to apply his philosophy post army)
(for those who are reading it translates to: socialist youth group + army service which is longer because it combines community service with regular duties of a combat soldier).

and here we differ
we cant ignore our neighbors.....we influence them and they influence us, we live in a rough neighborhood.

(your not going to be much fun for me here, I'm afraid we have too much in common...)

[Israeli]

97. pelsar..

More in common than you know .

I'm around 30km south east of you , know many from Maagan Michael , small world

I dont ignore our neighbors , never have.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. Well you tole Israeli fot sure!

[oberliner]

28. It's a Ha'aretz article

I posted the title in the subject line and a link and excerpt in the body of the message.

Not my personal opinion, just food for thought from an Israeli Ha'aretz writer.

[shira]

44. So how do you disagree with anti-zionists? Where are they wrong? n/t

[holdencaufield]

11. Mistranslation?

What does Juan Cole say?

[shira]

20. Gotta love all the denial. "CodePink would never do that".....

[Scootaloo]

18. The point of a bullhorn is so you don't HAVE to scream

Fuck, my ears!

Thankfully I can tell just by the fact it's from algemeiner that it's utter and total horseshit. Shira, you might as well post articles from Townhall or World Net Daily.

[oberliner]

21. It's a video

Are you saying that the video is staged or inauthentic in some way?

[Scootaloo]

42. Nope, I'm not

But the conclusion drawn from it is rather hyperbolic and nonsensical. Pretty much what I expect from the pro-Israel version of Vanguard News Network

[azurnoir]

32. here is a video from CodePink's youtube site the one in the OP is from TCHall

but I'll it to them for what is a visually blurry video the soundtrack is clear as a bell

[JoDog]

34. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”

is a slogan regularly used by Hamas. When they use it, it means the end of Israel as it now exists. It was conceived to express that idea. PERIOD.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joe-kaufman/cair-leader-mimics-hamas-in-calling-for-israels-destruction/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8956245/Hamas-celebrates-24th-anniversary-in-Gaza.html
http://www.think-israel.org/haney.hamas.html

I do not think that this is Code Pink's official stance on this issue. The group's leaders need to make it clear to its members what this slogan means in the region and ask them to stop using it. I am sure the creative members of Code Pink can come up with something that better expresses what the group believes on this subject.

Until I see additional evidence to the contrary, I believe the members of Code Pink are well-meaning people who used this slogan in error. But they must STOP using it unless they share the foundation belief of Hamas that Israel must be destroyed.

Thank you, and have a wonderful day.

[azurnoir]

35. what a clever post

so CodePink uses Hamas slogans and while YOOU think they're well meaning....... you just thought you'd work that in right

[JoDog]

37. Well, I beg your pardon

I was just trying to give a group I agree with on many other topics the benefit of a doubt. We used to do that a lot as part of civil discourse. It is very possible that CodePink is concerned about the human rights of both Palestinians and Israelis and picked up on an inappropriate slogan in an honest mistake.

If you prefer to just roll your eyes, that is your choice.

[azurnoir]

38. It is possible CodePink is for human rights............

I commend you really I do

[aranthus]

60. It does seem to be Code Pink's stand on this issue.

Their website makes it look as if they support the right of return, which is fully consistent with the "From the River to Sea," chant.

[aranthus]

36. There is no excuse for the pretense of misunderstanding this.

The slogan, From the river to the sea," is so well known and so often used, that its meaning is inarguable. Code Pink has no excuse for using it except that they mean the end of the Jewish state. Its members have no excuse pretend that they don't know what it means. It's defenders on this board have no excuse for defending Code Pink for using or allowing the use of the slogan. Shame on them all.

[shira]

40. CodePink still endorses Greta Berlin's FreeGaza movement too....

They rewarded Helen Thomas after her mask fell off...
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=349453&mesg_id=349453

Here's Medea Benjamin posing with a Hamas representative...
?w=480

Code-Pink also supports BDS, which is for full RoR and 1-state.

[aranthus]

41. Code Pink has a right to free speech.

What bothers me is the dishonesty of its supporters, and those on this board who try to paper over the obvious war of words against the Jewish state.

[shira]

43. The anti-zionist project is inherently dishonest. Comes w/ the territory. n/t

[azurnoir]

56. "The anti-zionist project is inherently dishonest" a couple of quetions about that statement

what is the project of anti-zionists?

and what are anti-zionists dishonest about?

[ZombieHorde]

53. Interesting thread, in my opinion. nt

[azurnoir]

57. From CODEPINK's website

Supporting Freedom and Human Rights

CODEPINK stands in solidarity with Palestinian and Israeli nonviolent activists and human rights advocates working to hold Israel accountable for its violations of international law and to promote the rights of Palestinians.

In addition, we work here in the United States to educate Americans about the realities of Israel's occupation and to change U.S. foreign policy in the region.

We feel personally implicated in Israel's violations of human rights and international law because our tax dollars--$3 billion annually in military aid--subsidize Israel's occupation.

http://www.codepink4peace.org/section.php?id=452

[aranthus]

59. You left out the part

where they claim that one of "violations of international law" is denying the right of return.

[azurnoir]

62. post it please then as you claim I left it out

make sure to include a link too

[aranthus]

63. I did not say that you purposefully left it out.

Israeli Actions: Since 1910, in different ways, the Zionists and then Israel have taken Palestinian lands, forced native populations from their land, and then refused the Palestinian landowners or tenants’ residency or employment on them. Following fighting in 1948 and then again in 1967, Palestinian civilians who wished to return to their homes in Israel and the Occupied Territories were forbidden re-entry (“right of return”), confining them to increasingly smaller areas of Israel and Occupied Territories. The Israeli government enacts laws, and employs its military to keep approximately 750,000 Palestinian Arab civilians from returning to their homes following the end of fighting both in 1948 and in the occupied territories in 1967. Israel then violates UN resolutions ordering them to respect Palestinians’ right to return to their homes. See the ILRC article on Right of Return and ILRC article on Ethnic Cleansing.

http://itisapartheid.org/violations.html

[azurnoir]

64. First off that's not CODEPINK's website secondly

I edited out purposely prior to your post anything else?

[aranthus]

65. You're right. It's a website that Code Pink links to, and I missed that.

Sorry for the error. Nevertheless, they link to it in support of their position.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. Yeah, error.

[aranthus]

69. This says much more about you than me.

Really, one mistake and you assume that it was intentional?

[azurnoir]

68. CODEPINK's site links to numerous organiztions but guilt (of something)

by association is always fun

[aranthus]

70. It's not guilt by association.

Guilt by association is the accusation that some group shares another group's agenda simply because they are on the same side. If I said that Code Pink shared the same agenda as Hamas becasue they showed up at a rally that Hamas supporters showed at, that would be guilt by association. Here, Code Pink linked to a FAQ sheet in support of Code Pink's position. That's not mere association. That's adoption of the linked statements.

[azurnoir]

76. here is CODEPINKS FAQ page no link to the site that you claim

http://www.codepink4peace.org/section.php?id=207

so your right not guilt by association

[aranthus]

94. The link is on this page

http://www.codepink4peace.org/section.php?id=452

If you click on "Issues" at the top of the website, and then Palestine & Israel, you get to this page. The links are in the box on the upper right.

[azurnoir]

95. yep right under Jewish Voices for Peace

are they too out to destroy Israel after all; they appear on the same website

but still what you claim is guilt by association at best or worst

[aranthus]

100. No. You've illustrated the difference

Code Pink links to Jewish Voice for Peace, so that says nothing about that group. They don't have a choice about who links to them. So trying to tar Jewish Voice for Peace with being linked to Code Pink wouold be guilt by association. The difference is that Code Pink links to the Ita site to help explain Code Pink's position. That's Code Pink's choice. If they didn't want to link to a RoR supporting website, then they wouldn't.

[delrem]

102. My opinion? RoR is international law. Deal with it. n/t

[aranthus]

108. So what? n/t

[azurnoir]

103. sir with all due respect it is you'illustrating something'

and that is IMO how to twist things to demonize a political group you wish to make appear is out to destroy Israel,CODEPINK lists both as sources of more information on the Palestine/Israel issue no where does it say that we agree with everything on this site, and even if 100% RoR was allowed if it happens along side a viable Palestinian state that does not mean every Palestinian refugee on the face of the will flock to what is a hostile foreign country, one who's recent treatment of non-Jewish asylum seekers, treatment which contravenes international accords that country was a willing signatory too, is an rather mild example of what Palestinians can expect

[ZRT2209]

80. We live in the United States

not Israel

[holdencaufield]

81. You pass the geography quiz ...

... but points off for not knowing in which forum you happen to be posting.

[MrSlayer]

93. A chant cannot infer anything.

It can imply something though.

How do these people get hired?

[idwiyo]

104. This is a really dirty misrepresentation and OP knows it. Shameful.

[King_David]

109. This code pink are a shameful hateful bunch. nt

[idwiyo]

110. ...

[King_David]

113. What a fantastic sense of humor you think you have..

[azurnoir]

111. yep being anti-war is hateful 4 shur

coming up next-how purple is really yellow and up is truly down just after the station break

[King_David]

112. Being bigoted count ? nt

[azurnoir]

114. ah now we're getting down to it

demonstrating against Israel's occupation of Palestine is bigotry at least to some

[idwiyo]

115. They are bigoted because they want Israeli government stop illegal occupation?

Thank you or making me laugh!

[oberliner]

116. Do you think all of Israel is actually Occupied Palestine?

That is the implication of "From the River to the Sea" and thus the source of the complaint here.

[idwiyo]

117. West Bank and Gaza AND the right to free travel between them. :)

Am sure there is river and see involved in that, but you knew that anyway.