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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:30 AM Feb 2013

Rights Group: Israel Violated Laws of War in Gaza

By Associated Press
JERUSALEM February 13, 2013 (AP)
A U.S.-based rights group says Israel violated laws of war in a series of airstrikes during an eight-day military operation last November against the Hamas militant group in the Gaza Strip.

Human Rights Watch says it counted 14 airstrikes in which there didn't appear to be a valid military target, and four others targeting militants, but which used disproportionate force.

HRW says the attacks killed more than 40 Palestinian civilians. It cites a bomb attack on a Gaza home that killed a father and two children, ages 4 and 2. The group released the report late Tuesday.

Israel's air assault came after increased rocket fire and other attacks by Gaza militants.

The military had no immediate comment. In the past, it has accused Hamas of using civilians for cover.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rights-group-israel-violated-laws-war-gaza-18487201

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Rights Group: Israel Violated Laws of War in Gaza (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2013 OP
oh dear HRW well I am sure we'll be reminded on how anti-Israel azurnoir Feb 2013 #1
Looks like HRW needs to hire better Nazis next time to do their bidding.... shira Feb 2013 #2
well of course we all know azurnoir Feb 2013 #3
Of course we know B'tselem must've lied when claiming over 60% killed were combatants. n/t shira Feb 2013 #4
did I mention that nope but I guess that's acceptable for some azurnoir Feb 2013 #5
It's the best combatant:civilian ratio ever in the history of warfare. The standard.... shira Feb 2013 #6
ah yeah cause HRW has never ever said the same about any other country n/t azurnoir Feb 2013 #7
HRW doesn't deliberately twist facts & turn them on their head WRT other countries. n/t shira Feb 2013 #8
so when its other it nver twisted but when it's Israel azurnoir Feb 2013 #9
I don't see you arguing for HRW in this case. They're obviously lying about Israel here. shira Feb 2013 #10
not at all I thought I'd let you keep going azurnoir Feb 2013 #11
When Israel performs better than any other nation in combat history WRT civilian lives.... shira Feb 2013 #12
at no point in the OP did HRW say deliberately they did however mention azurnoir Feb 2013 #13
HRW says 14 strikes against non-military targets. So who was Israel going after? n/t shira Feb 2013 #14
are you saying that HRW is lying or what? azurnoir Feb 2013 #15
HRW is accusing Israel of violating LoW. They're not saying there were individual mistakes. n/t shira Feb 2013 #16
either way it is against International Law n/t azurnoir Feb 2013 #17
Against international Law!? Who cares for such piffle? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #19
What is? Who did HRW interview? How do they know the IDF's motives? shira Feb 2013 #20
Is there The Philosopher Feb 2013 #18
No evidence or facts needed. Israel is guilty regardless. n/t shira Feb 2013 #21
Top photo prize for picture of dead Gaza children Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #22
Wait! Aren't there going to be any snide comments R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #23
K & R Scurrilous Feb 2013 #24

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
1. oh dear HRW well I am sure we'll be reminded on how anti-Israel
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:01 AM
Feb 2013

and there for possibly by extension it seems antisemitic, and oh lest I forget Mark Garlasco who collect American and German WW@ memorabilia, but alas he left HRW in 2010

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. Looks like HRW needs to hire better Nazis next time to do their bidding....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:16 AM
Feb 2013
B'Tselem stated that according to its initial findings, which covered only the period between 14 and 19 November, 102 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip, 40 of them civilians.[42] The Israel Defense Forces have stated that out of 177 Palestinians killed, 120 were militants and that the IDF never deliberately targets civilians.[16][195]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pillar_of_Defense#Palestinian_casualties

The civilian to combatant ratio in Gaza 2 was better than in Gaza 1 (which was then the best ratio ever recorded in military history). Definite proof Israel attacks civilians for no military purpose.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. well of course we all know
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:26 AM
Feb 2013

that any Palestinian in Gaza especially that gets killed by Israel is a human shield

eta but thanks for proving me right

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. did I mention that nope but I guess that's acceptable for some
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:30 AM
Feb 2013

in fact some see it as acctually good in some manner

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. It's the best combatant:civilian ratio ever in the history of warfare. The standard....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:44 AM
Feb 2013

This deliberate attempt by HRW to distort the facts and history is hate speech.

No other Western nation is more careful WRT civilians in combat than Israel. But HRW never slams other western nations like it does Israel.

This is a deliberate attempt to bash Israel. There's nothing Israel can do to avoid it.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. I don't see you arguing for HRW in this case. They're obviously lying about Israel here.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:52 AM
Feb 2013

Tough to defend the indefensible, isn't it?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. not at all I thought I'd let you keep going
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:54 AM
Feb 2013

but I guess you okay with killing a certain percentage of civilian? Is that it? Is this true of any country? and finally will you answer any of those questions?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. When Israel performs better than any other nation in combat history WRT civilian lives....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:56 AM
Feb 2013

...how do you get that they're deliberately going after civilians?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. at no point in the OP did HRW say deliberately they did however mention
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:08 AM
Feb 2013

the al-Dalu family who were killed in an IAF airstrike on their home during Pillar of Cloud

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. are you saying that HRW is lying or what?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:28 AM
Feb 2013

as to strikes against nonmilitary targets you explain then but still the word deliberately was not used

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. HRW is accusing Israel of violating LoW. They're not saying there were individual mistakes. n/t
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:32 AM
Feb 2013
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
20. What is? Who did HRW interview? How do they know the IDF's motives?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:06 PM
Feb 2013

Seems all they did was opine that 14 targets weren't legitimately military, so Israel must therefore be guilty of violating the LoW.

The Philosopher

(895 posts)
18. Is there
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:21 AM
Feb 2013

a list of the 14 strikes that "didn't appear to be valid"? Did the IDF give a reason to the airstrikes? Neither is in the article.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. Top photo prize for picture of dead Gaza children
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:35 PM
Feb 2013



AMSTERDAM (Reuters) -- A photograph of two dead children, who were killed in an Israeli missile strike near Gaza City, won the top World Press Photo prize on Friday for Swedish photographer Paul Hansen of newspaper Dagens Nyheter.

The photograph shows a group of men bearing the bodies of two-year-old Suhaib Hijazi and her brother Muhammad, 3, as they were taken to the mosque for a burial ceremony. Their parents were killed in the same strike.

"The strength of the picture lies in the way it contrasts the anger and sorrow of the adults with the innocence of the children," Mayu Mohanna, a member of the jury, said of the photograph which was named World Press Photo of the Year 2012.

Ammar Awad of Reuters received an honorable mention in the General News single category for his photograph "Israeli Border Police Pepper spray Palestinian Protester".

http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=565531
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