Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumAriel Sharon's son: "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza."
From an op-ed today in the Jerusalem Post.
We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didnt stop with Hiroshima the Japanese werent surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.
There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then theyd really call for a ceasefire.
Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.
IF THE government isnt prepared to go all the way on this, it will mean reoccupying the entire Gaza Strip. Not a few neighborhoods in the suburbs, as with Cast Lead, but the entire Strip, like in Defensive Shield, so that rockets can no longer be fired.
There is no middle path here either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And were running out of time we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start and a million civilians cant live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly with a bang, not a whimper.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Falsely claiming racism when its clearly a misuse of the term devalues the legitimate claims
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I have no problem being corrected.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)since muslim and even arab is not a race.
still_one
(92,403 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)This man wants people killed just because they are Arabs living in Gaza. He doesn't care whether they are supporters of Hamas or not(not everybody in Gaza is, and those who aren't have no way of working against Hamas...many of them are only there because Israel refuses to allow them to move to the West Bank.)
Gilad Sharon IS, in fact a Nazi...he is personally on the same level as the worst of Hamas...and must be repudiated by all decent human beings, as all of us have clearly repudiated Hamas.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)this is`t about race it is tribal
intaglio
(8,170 posts)and that's (another) war crime
MFM008
(19,818 posts)not.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)him. War mongering POS.
johnq45
(33 posts)This is typical Israeli thinking. I'm just glad all of the American tax dollars we give them are going for a good cause! $30 billion American tax dollars a year! Man we sure no how to pick our friends!
teddy51
(3,491 posts)responsible for arming Israel to the teeth, with both Nukes and conventional weapons.
you're off by a bit. It's 3 billion. Not 30.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Each rocket Israel fires costs 40K....
What whould you rather have...Israel running of out of expensive rockets to buy, thus plunging the arms dealers into reduced profits in these horrible economic times
or
47% of Americans not getting their "gifts" of education, healthcare, employment and homes?
Obviously the decison has been made at levels far above our pay grades.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)He is known as "The Butcher" for a reason.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ariel Sharon changed his views late in life (like Arafat).
Hopefully his son will have a similar shift.
atreides1
(16,093 posts)From people who had experience with creating ghettos and then destroying them, block by block...
The oppressed have become the oppressor...not quite full circle yet, but that remains to be seen!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What does this mean?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(young Sharon, in this instance)now thinks purely like an oppressor...that his humanity is gone and will never return.
He's become a Cossack in spirit...disgusting.
(edited to clarify that this was MY interpretation of another poster's remarks).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'd like to hear from the person who did.
How can you be certain you know what they meant?
Gilad Sharon was certainly never oppressed.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It is possible that this person meant something else.
I agree that young Sharon has never been oppressed in any way at all himself.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Perhaps in his tiny little mind he feels that way.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, I would imagine quite the opposite is true.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Pretty much every single time the Jewish people have had any sort of territorial ascendancy and national identity, genocide against the locals invariably ensues.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)people like you and Gilad Sharon are just two sides of the same coin. A bigoted coin.
Alamuti Lotus
(3,093 posts)that said, I reluctantly proceed. Ever read Deuteronomy? Horrifying stuff; re-reading it right now because of what is mentioned here and because I use my time on evenings off after a long work day very wisely. Whole chapters are devoted to naming the various native tribes snuffed out (and meticulously describing the methods of knocking off the men, women, and of course the children too, but leaving the cattle because they're tasty) because the political leaders who appointed themselves to speak for THE LORD in those days thought it was an awesome plan.
I don't know where this dude is coming from (and it's a slight bit neck-hair-raising, to be sure--with you on that), but precisely what he suggests can indeed be found in your holy books. I'm not sure if making references to the content of a substantial portion of the recognized Torah is really something vile... To what purpose this is being suggested, I cannot say and probably don't care to ask.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Wasn't there one story, or at least one story, in which the men were killed but the women (or at least the virgins) were not?
Doesn't that mean that they are not always so cruel?
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Simply noting that any time the Jewish people have had a homeland, they obtained it by treating the previous occupants as badly or worse than anyone else treated them.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Are you saying a genocide is then committed against the Jews or Jews commit genocide "against the locals?"
Neither is true and the latter is truly absurd.
King_David
(14,851 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Someone give him a memo explaining that Truman dropped the bombs to keep Japan out of the Soviet Sphere, not to force a surrender.
And then explain why incinerating two entire cities is this thing called a "war crime" that, yeah, I'll say it, people should have been hanged for.
"The images might be unpleasant," really? I once had a pet lizard that had more human empathy than that statement expresses.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I guess that's ok then?
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I just tire of the sad justification for it, "Oh, we had to annihilate two cities, because an invasion would have been harder!" - never mind that the Japanese had been offering surrender months prior, and the US just didn't want to accept their one term (that the emperor remain emperor... kind of a big religious deal for Imperial Shinto, after all)
Misunderstood - sorry.
struggle4progress
(118,347 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Wow.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Hitler is admired by some Arabs and Muslims, too.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)My Israeli, and American Jewish friends here in Brooklyn have differing views, but never garbage like this. I would not be surprised if he would be smacked down in the press for this. The government is a different story.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But there is a pretty sizable group that agrees with him, sadly.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)no one should ever get like that.
And you can't hold the people of Gaza collectively responsible for Hamas' decisions.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Ariel Sharon's son.. bad seed.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Where did I hear that recently?
Oh, thats right, Mahmoud Amadinejad.
They sound the same.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Thank goodness for the latter.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)Not that the Palestinians can expect much help from all their great supporters.
There are smuggling tunnels. There's the Rafah gate. Anyone moving women and children to safety?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)smuggling tunnels and the rafah gate. what else could you fucking want?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Iran and other pour offensive arms into the region in preference to food, medicine, and education. They urge violence and cheer from the sidelines. They care nothing for the Palestinians and never have.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)and now central Israel.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously, how is that even an option?
Lars77
(3,032 posts)Nothing new here.
still_one
(92,403 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Eyes of the World
(93 posts)If your gonna do it then do it.
He isn't addressing political considerations, only military ones, and in those terms he is absolutely right.
A farsighted politician might address it differently.
I don't agree with him, but I'm sure that won't stop people from assuming that I do. Have fun.