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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:49 PM Aug 2012

Jewish settler attacks on Palestinians listed as 'terrorist incidents' by US

Violence by Jewish settlers has been cited for the first time in a US state department list of "terrorist incidents", as Israeli political leaders condemned a string of recent attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

The inclusion of assaults on Palestinian targets in the annual report on terrorism reflects growing concern in Israel and internationally that violence by a minority of Jewish extremists could trigger a new cycle of conflict and further damage the prospects of a peace agreement between the two sides.

"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property and places of worship in the West Bank continued," said the Country Reports on Terrorism 2011. It referred to "price tag" operations, meaning violence committed by radical settlers against Palestinians in retribution for actions by the Israeli government or army deemed to be "anti-settler".

US and European officials have become more vocal in criticising settler violence amid fears that the actions of a minority of Jewish extremists could provoke a militant response from Palestinians. According to the UN, violent attacks by settlers on Palestinians and their property, mosques and farmland has increased by almost 150% since 2009.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/19/jewish-settler-attack-terrorist-us-palestinian

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Jewish settler attacks on Palestinians listed as 'terrorist incidents' by US (Original Post) azurnoir Aug 2012 OP
The Israelis have been calling settler violence 'terrorism' for a while now oberliner Aug 2012 #1
yes and in an offcial manner too n/t azurnoir Aug 2012 #2
Why is this news? Are news outlets desperate for stories? shira Aug 2012 #3
Did you read your own link?but you think most people do not read past the first paragraph azurnoir Aug 2012 #4
You just made all that up, didn't you? Read the link and you'll see... shira Aug 2012 #5
I did read the link that is why I know that in both cases there were Jewish victims azurnoir Aug 2012 #6
It's obvious that in 2004, the US State Dept. recognized the "New Jewish Underground"... shira Aug 2012 #7
and 2 of its victims were American citizens as was Teitel azurnoir Aug 2012 #8
Irrelevant. The Guardian and other media outlets didn't do their homework.... shira Aug 2012 #9
yada yada of course you'll say that but this si a first in that the victims were Palestinians n/t azurnoir Aug 2012 #10
Haaretz corrected their headline due to the article in post #3 above... shira Aug 2012 #11
as I pointed out to you the first was that none of the victims were US citizens azurnoir Aug 2012 #16
Why would you object to articles about terrorism appearing in the media? Violet_Crumble Aug 2012 #12
I'm not objecting to that... shira Aug 2012 #13
It certaintly appears as though you are... Violet_Crumble Aug 2012 #14
Do you agree that this is not the 1st time the US State Dept.... shira Aug 2012 #15
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. The Israelis have been calling settler violence 'terrorism' for a while now
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:08 PM
Aug 2012

Good to see the US catching up.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. Why is this news? Are news outlets desperate for stories?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:34 AM
Aug 2012

This isn't even close to the 1st time the State Dept. has listed violence by settlers as terror attacks:

http://mostlykosher.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/did-us-state-department-for-first-time.html

It started in 2004.

Shows how media needs to vet their articles a bit more and why so many people are ignorant about I/P.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. Did you read your own link?but you think most people do not read past the first paragraph
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 01:37 PM
Aug 2012

that would explain it because what makes this a first is that these acts were solely against Palestinians in the past they were for the most part acts against other Jews

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. You just made all that up, didn't you? Read the link and you'll see...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:17 PM
Aug 2012

...that as far back as 2004, the State Dept. labeled violence by settlers against Palestinians as terror. Those examples given were not about terror against other Jews.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. I did read the link that is why I know that in both cases there were Jewish victims
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

against Jews or they were members of known terrorist organizations , why do you make stuff up? From your link

A high-profile case raised awareness regarding settler violence and acts of terrorism. On October 7, Israeli security services arrested American-born settler Yaacov “Jack” Teitel in connection with a number of crimes and terrorist attacks over the past 12 years. Teitel was arrested for posting anti-homosexual flyers, and later confessed to a number of crimes, including the murder of two Palestinians in 1997. He also claimed responsibility for several attempted bombings, including sending a parcel bomb to a Messianic Jewish family in Ariel in which a 15-year old Israeli-American boy was injured, and placing a pipe-bomb that injured Israel Prize laureate and peace activist Professor Zeev Sternhell in September 2008.


Teital had been wandering around committing violence against Palestinians for years with little action from Israeli government until he turned his vilence against Israeli Jews

and the second Israel has already listed the oragnization named as terrorist

In December, Israel convicted and sentenced an Israeli man for membership in the "New Jewish Underground," a terrorist organization that aimed to carry out attacks on Arab civilians. On September 29, a group of five Israeli settlers attacked and seriously wounded two US citizens, members of an NGO, who were escorting Palestinian children to school near Hebron. As of the end of 2004, the Israeli police had not arrested those responsible.


in both cases you may also note that US citizens were victims
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. It's obvious that in 2004, the US State Dept. recognized the "New Jewish Underground"...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:58 PM
Aug 2012

...as a terrorist organization.

Eight years ago.

There's nothing "new" in the OP.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. and 2 of its victims were American citizens as was Teitel
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:02 PM
Aug 2012

what is new is that US citizens were not necessarily involved

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. Irrelevant. The Guardian and other media outlets didn't do their homework....
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

And that's typical I/P fare nowadays.

Nowhere in recent articles is any distinction made like the one you're pointing out.

Irrelevant.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. yada yada of course you'll say that but this si a first in that the victims were Palestinians n/t
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:12 PM
Aug 2012
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. Haaretz corrected their headline due to the article in post #3 above...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:17 PM
Aug 2012

They omitted "first time", which pretty much makes the headline and article kinda stupid. It's already been done, so where's the news?

Check the link to Haaretz if you don't believe it.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplomania/u-s-state-department-defines-settler-violence-as-terrorism.premium-1.459087?block=true

They changed it:

http://mostlykosher.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/haaretz-corrects-story-because-of.html

Now what's also stupid is that the Guardian journalist simply copied the Haaretz article. Made the same wrong mistake. Nice journalism. Biased much?

yada, yada.....




azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. as I pointed out to you the first was that none of the victims were US citizens
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

in the other cases you cited at least some of the victims were US citizens no matter what Ha'aretz changed its headline to

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
12. Why would you object to articles about terrorism appearing in the media?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:37 PM
Aug 2012

I mean, you do agree that settler attacks on Palestinians is terrorism, and every bit as wrong as acts of terrorism on Israeli civilians, right?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. I'm not objecting to that...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:13 AM
Aug 2012

The article is based on a falsehood and at least Haaretz corrected its headline in realization of that. If the article were simply about US officials condemning these attacks, who in their right mind would have a problem with that?

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
14. It certaintly appears as though you are...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:47 AM
Aug 2012

It comes across very much as though you want to talk about anything else but settler terrorism. I notice you didn't answer the question I asked. Do you consider attacks on Palestinians by settlers to be terrorism?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Do you agree that this is not the 1st time the US State Dept....
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

...called settler terror vs. Palestinians for what it is? That both Haaretz and the Guardian were wrong in reporting that?

Do you consider attacks on Palestinians by settlers to be terrorism?

Of course.

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